http://poll.pollcode.com/SG3_result?v

The headline is that Bachman leads Perry by one point in a close race.

Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination... yup.... that'll happen.

(07-26-2011 05:56 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination... yup.... that'll happen.

Would the conservatives vote for Ron Paul? Would Libertarians vote for Ron Paul? Would independents vote for Ron Paul? Are any of these three going to vote for Obama?

I think the answer is obvious and yet the GOP will not nominate Paul for one reason....his opposition to interventionist foreign policies that directly attack the industrial military complex and its governmental welfare support. If you listen to Ron's early comments...he is already pushing his pro military message about donations coming from military families to counter this problem.

Paul will again be marginalized and will again be smeared by the media. The GOP will play into the hands of Obama and not put forth a candidate that independents and Libertarians will support. Obama will again be POTUS.

If not Ron Paul?...then WHO is going to capture the base that the GOP needs to beat Obama? So far the answer is not currently running for POTUS.

(07-26-2011 04:57 PM)I45owl Wrote:  The headline is that Bachman leads Perry by one point in a close race.

Touche.

(07-27-2011 05:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 05:56 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination... yup.... that'll happen.

Would the conservatives vote for Ron Paul? Would Libertarians vote for Ron Paul? Would independents vote for Ron Paul? Are any of these three going to vote for Obama?

I think the answer is obvious and yet the GOP will not nominate Paul for one reason....his opposition to interventionist foreign policies that directly attack the industrial military complex and its governmental welfare support. If you listen to Ron's early comments...he is already pushing his pro military message about donations coming from military families to counter this problem.

Paul will again be marginalized and will again be smeared by the media. The GOP will play into the hands of Obama and not put forth a candidate that independents and Libertarians will support. Obama will again be POTUS.

If not Ron Paul?...then WHO is going to capture the base that the GOP needs to beat Obama? So far the answer is not currently running for POTUS.

No. Most Republicans would not vote for RP(not because of his stance on the military). Not sure about Libertarians. Most independents won't vote for RP because he is WAY too extreme. Just keep living in that fantasy world. One day you might meet reality.

(07-27-2011 10:17 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 05:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 05:56 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination... yup.... that'll happen.

Would the conservatives vote for Ron Paul? Would Libertarians vote for Ron Paul? Would independents vote for Ron Paul? Are any of these three going to vote for Obama?

I think the answer is obvious and yet the GOP will not nominate Paul for one reason....his opposition to interventionist foreign policies that directly attack the industrial military complex and its governmental welfare support. If you listen to Ron's early comments...he is already pushing his pro military message about donations coming from military families to counter this problem.

Paul will again be marginalized and will again be smeared by the media. The GOP will play into the hands of Obama and not put forth a candidate that independents and Libertarians will support. Obama will again be POTUS.

If not Ron Paul?...then WHO is going to capture the base that the GOP needs to beat Obama? So far the answer is not currently running for POTUS.

No. Most Republicans would not vote for RP(not because of his stance on the military). Not sure about Libertarians. Most independents won't vote for RP because he is WAY too extreme. Just keep living in that fantasy world. One day you might meet reality.

Both parties will carry their base regardless of the candidate. Mark it down. It will be the one that carries the rest that will be POTUS. One thing is for sure...Obama will not draw a single conservative leaning voter this time. He has played his "We will withdrawn from these wars" BS. It wont play this time. He better damn pray for some miracle economic turn around.

Robert...The next time you decide to debate me...read my post first. You really are an empty suit.

(07-27-2011 11:26 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 10:17 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 05:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 05:56 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination... yup.... that'll happen.

Would the conservatives vote for Ron Paul? Would Libertarians vote for Ron Paul? Would independents vote for Ron Paul? Are any of these three going to vote for Obama?

I think the answer is obvious and yet the GOP will not nominate Paul for one reason....his opposition to interventionist foreign policies that directly attack the industrial military complex and its governmental welfare support. If you listen to Ron's early comments...he is already pushing his pro military message about donations coming from military families to counter this problem.

Paul will again be marginalized and will again be smeared by the media. The GOP will play into the hands of Obama and not put forth a candidate that independents and Libertarians will support. Obama will again be POTUS.

If not Ron Paul?...then WHO is going to capture the base that the GOP needs to beat Obama? So far the answer is not currently running for POTUS.

No. Most Republicans would not vote for RP(not because of his stance on the military). Not sure about Libertarians. Most independents won't vote for RP because he is WAY too extreme. Just keep living in that fantasy world. One day you might meet reality.

Both parties will carry their base regardless of the candidate. Mark it down. It will be the one that carries the rest that will be POTUS. One thing is for sure...Obama will not draw a single conservative leaning voter this time. He has played his "We will withdrawn from these wars" BS. It wont play this time. He better damn pray for some miracle economic turn around.

Robert...The next time you decide to debate me...read my post first. You really are an empty suit.

Getting out of the wars is NOT the why Republicans voted for Obama voted for him. Nice try though. I am sure you convinced yourself of that along with many others on here but it simply isn't true.

(07-27-2011 12:01 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 11:26 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 10:17 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 05:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 05:56 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination... yup.... that'll happen.

Would the conservatives vote for Ron Paul? Would Libertarians vote for Ron Paul? Would independents vote for Ron Paul? Are any of these three going to vote for Obama?

I think the answer is obvious and yet the GOP will not nominate Paul for one reason....his opposition to interventionist foreign policies that directly attack the industrial military complex and its governmental welfare support. If you listen to Ron's early comments...he is already pushing his pro military message about donations coming from military families to counter this problem.

Paul will again be marginalized and will again be smeared by the media. The GOP will play into the hands of Obama and not put forth a candidate that independents and Libertarians will support. Obama will again be POTUS.

If not Ron Paul?...then WHO is going to capture the base that the GOP needs to beat Obama? So far the answer is not currently running for POTUS.

No. Most Republicans would not vote for RP(not because of his stance on the military). Not sure about Libertarians. Most independents won't vote for RP because he is WAY too extreme. Just keep living in that fantasy world. One day you might meet reality.

Both parties will carry their base regardless of the candidate. Mark it down. It will be the one that carries the rest that will be POTUS. One thing is for sure...Obama will not draw a single conservative leaning voter this time. He has played his "We will withdrawn from these wars" BS. It wont play this time. He better damn pray for some miracle economic turn around.

Robert...The next time you decide to debate me...read my post first. You really are an empty suit.

Getting out of the wars is NOT the why Republicans voted for Obama voted for him. Nice try though. I am sure you convinced yourself of that along with many others on here but it simply isn't true.

I did not say Republicans...I said conservatives. Reading is fundamental Robert. Conservatism is not just the GOP. The war was a major reason Obama was elected. Only damn fool would not acknowledge that fact.

So liberals were fools to vote for him, but I assume conservatives that voted for him were not fools?

(07-27-2011 02:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So liberals were fools to vote for him, but I assume conservatives that voted for him were not fools?

You would find considerable agreement that everyone that voted for him was a fool.

(07-27-2011 02:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So liberals were fools to vote for him, but I assume conservatives that voted for him were not fools?

I made no comment concerning voter choice as to its folly or not. My assertion was about the importance of the anti-war vote. Am having trouble with my communication skills or are people not reading before they comment?

(07-27-2011 05:19 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 02:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So liberals were fools to vote for him, but I assume conservatives that voted for him were not fools?

I made no comment concerning voter choice as to its folly or not. My assertion was about the importance of the anti-war vote. Am having trouble with my communication skills or are people not reading before they comment?

I think everyone's a bit testy. Perhaps you should say "anyone who voted for Obama on the premise that he would stop military conflicts now regrets voting for him on that premise".

(07-27-2011 05:42 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 05:19 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 02:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So liberals were fools to vote for him, but I assume conservatives that voted for him were not fools?

I made no comment concerning voter choice as to its folly or not. My assertion was about the importance of the anti-war vote. Am having trouble with my communication skills or are people not reading before they comment?

I think everyone's a bit testy. Perhaps you should say "anyone who voted for Obama on the premise that he would stop military conflicts now regrets voting for him on that premise".

Fair enough....but....My original comment was concerned the fact that Obama's promise to remove the troops had a integral part in him being elected and it played with conservative leaning independents. It won't this time.

Fo - I agree with you. More than that, I think some of the highly motivated liberals in 2008 may be more passive due to that issue. On the other hand, there's Labor Unions and $1 Billion and the bully pulpit of incumbency.

(07-27-2011 12:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 12:01 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 11:26 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 10:17 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 05:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Would the conservatives vote for Ron Paul? Would Libertarians vote for Ron Paul? Would independents vote for Ron Paul? Are any of these three going to vote for Obama?

I think the answer is obvious and yet the GOP will not nominate Paul for one reason....his opposition to interventionist foreign policies that directly attack the industrial military complex and its governmental welfare support. If you listen to Ron's early comments...he is already pushing his pro military message about donations coming from military families to counter this problem.

Paul will again be marginalized and will again be smeared by the media. The GOP will play into the hands of Obama and not put forth a candidate that independents and Libertarians will support. Obama will again be POTUS.

If not Ron Paul?...then WHO is going to capture the base that the GOP needs to beat Obama? So far the answer is not currently running for POTUS.

No. Most Republicans would not vote for RP(not because of his stance on the military). Not sure about Libertarians. Most independents won't vote for RP because he is WAY too extreme. Just keep living in that fantasy world. One day you might meet reality.

Both parties will carry their base regardless of the candidate. Mark it down. It will be the one that carries the rest that will be POTUS. One thing is for sure...Obama will not draw a single conservative leaning voter this time. He has played his "We will withdrawn from these wars" BS. It wont play this time. He better damn pray for some miracle economic turn around.

Robert...The next time you decide to debate me...read my post first. You really are an empty suit.

Getting out of the wars is NOT the why Republicans voted for Obama voted for him. Nice try though. I am sure you convinced yourself of that along with many others on here but it simply isn't true.

I did not say Republicans...I said conservatives. Reading is fundamental Robert. Conservatism is not just the GOP. The war was a major reason Obama was elected. Only damn fool would not acknowledge that fact.

republican, conservative, tea bagger whatever. They are all the same to me. THe war was big for the liberals, sure. As for the conservatives, Republicans, teabaggers or whatever you want to call them, not so much. I heard NOTHING but you guys on the right mock and whine about the war protests so please don't give me some revisionist history BS.

(07-28-2011 02:41 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 12:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 12:01 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 11:26 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 10:17 AM)RobertN Wrote:  No. Most Republicans would not vote for RP(not because of his stance on the military). Not sure about Libertarians. Most independents won't vote for RP because he is WAY too extreme. Just keep living in that fantasy world. One day you might meet reality.

Both parties will carry their base regardless of the candidate. Mark it down. It will be the one that carries the rest that will be POTUS. One thing is for sure...Obama will not draw a single conservative leaning voter this time. He has played his "We will withdrawn from these wars" BS. It wont play this time. He better damn pray for some miracle economic turn around.

Robert...The next time you decide to debate me...read my post first. You really are an empty suit.

Getting out of the wars is NOT the why Republicans voted for Obama voted for him. Nice try though. I am sure you convinced yourself of that along with many others on here but it simply isn't true.

I did not say Republicans...I said conservatives. Reading is fundamental Robert. Conservatism is not just the GOP. The war was a major reason Obama was elected. Only damn fool would not acknowledge that fact.

republican, conservative, tea bagger whatever. They are all the same to me. THe war was big for the liberals, sure. As for the conservatives, Republicans, teabaggers or whatever you want to call them, not so much. I heard NOTHING but you guys on the right mock and whine about the war protests so please don't give me some revisionist history BS.

The reason you heard nothing..is you don't pay attention. Libertarians have opposed the war from the beginning and so have many socially liberal conservatives. The fact that you lump the above groups together shows your ignorance of the real world. Maybe it is from watching too much "Entertainment Tonight" on broadcast TV.

(07-28-2011 02:41 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I heard NOTHING but you guys on the right mock and whine about the war protests so please don't give me some revisionist history BS.

You don't hear us mock and "whine" about the war protests anymore.

I trust even you can figure out why.

(07-28-2011 05:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-28-2011 02:41 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 12:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 12:01 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 11:26 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Both parties will carry their base regardless of the candidate. Mark it down. It will be the one that carries the rest that will be POTUS. One thing is for sure...Obama will not draw a single conservative leaning voter this time. He has played his "We will withdrawn from these wars" BS. It wont play this time. He better damn pray for some miracle economic turn around.

Robert...The next time you decide to debate me...read my post first. You really are an empty suit.

Getting out of the wars is NOT the why Republicans voted for Obama voted for him. Nice try though. I am sure you convinced yourself of that along with many others on here but it simply isn't true.

I did not say Republicans...I said conservatives. Reading is fundamental Robert. Conservatism is not just the GOP. The war was a major reason Obama was elected. Only damn fool would not acknowledge that fact.

republican, conservative, tea bagger whatever. They are all the same to me. THe war was big for the liberals, sure. As for the conservatives, Republicans, teabaggers or whatever you want to call them, not so much. I heard NOTHING but you guys on the right mock and whine about the war protests so please don't give me some revisionist history BS.

The reason you heard nothing..is you don't pay attention. Libertarians have opposed the war from the beginning and so have many socially liberal conservatives. The fact that you lump the above groups together shows your ignorance of the real world. Maybe it is from watching too much "Entertainment Tonight" on broadcast TV.

Actually, I have always preferred Inside Edition. Especially when Bill O'Reilly was on the show.

(07-28-2011 07:30 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-28-2011 02:41 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I heard NOTHING but you guys on the right mock and whine about the war protests so please don't give me some revisionist history BS.

You don't hear us mock and "whine" about the war protests anymore.

I trust even you can figure out why.

So you are admitting that you had no problems with the wars under Bush, only under Obama?