(07-28-2011 05:17 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Immigration is like abortion. No one wants to do anything about it cause then they wouldnt be able to campaign on it.

And no matter what you do about it (abortion or other issue), some aspect of your vote will show up in a meaningless, drivel-ridden, disingenuous, deceptive political TV ad at some point.

I still stand by my statement. Most libbers want open border immigration. It's obvious that both sides are complicit in allowing illegal immigration to continue for OHHHH sooooo long. Too damn long.

Lets get real here. Immigration is a hot issue to many Americans. It doesn't matter which party is in the WH. No politician really wants to touch it because it is a political minefield and radioactive.

I've yet to hear of any conservative really calling for amnesty (or any code words for it). That open borders crap is pushed mostly by liberal groups or coalitions. La Raza, A.N.S.W.E.R., etc. If you look up which organizations support this idea, which they like to term "comprehensive" immigration reform, you may see that the majority of them are lefties.

The entire immigration system needs to be reformed but we have a much bigger and more dangerous fire to put out right now.

(07-28-2011 04:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(07-28-2011 04:04 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 07:37 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  We need immigration that is sensible. Not illegal immigration. You do know there is a difference. Most libbers want open border immigration. That is out of the question. Immigrants that can obey the laws(all the laws, not just the convenient ones) support themselves with jobs that contribute to America, have allegiance to America, then by all means immigration, yes. There is already a process in place.

How many times are people going to spout this. The Republicans do NOTHING to stop illegal immigration either. It's not limited to liberals or Democrats.

Very true. It's not an issue that has only comes around when Dems get into office. Hell, even though a lot on here oppose amnesty and call it a lib thing, Ronald Reagan gave authorized amnesty for 3 million. But if you ask a GOPer, his presidency was flawless.

Reagan authorized amnesty on the premise that congress would close the border. You know, kinda like he raised taxes on the premise that congress would cut spending?

(07-28-2011 08:35 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-28-2011 04:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(07-28-2011 04:04 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 07:37 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  We need immigration that is sensible. Not illegal immigration. You do know there is a difference. Most libbers want open border immigration. That is out of the question. Immigrants that can obey the laws(all the laws, not just the convenient ones) support themselves with jobs that contribute to America, have allegiance to America, then by all means immigration, yes. There is already a process in place.

How many times are people going to spout this. The Republicans do NOTHING to stop illegal immigration either. It's not limited to liberals or Democrats.

Very true. It's not an issue that has only comes around when Dems get into office. Hell, even though a lot on here oppose amnesty and call it a lib thing, Ronald Reagan gave authorized amnesty for 3 million. But if you ask a GOPer, his presidency was flawless.

Reagan authorized amnesty on the premise that congress would close the border. You know, kinda like he raised taxes on the premise that congress would cut spending?

How exactly did he expect congress to close the border? Build a wall? Put 2 million troops there? And that's what everybody says - okay, just this one time, we'll give amnesty, but no more! We've already created the precedent that we don't really mean it.

I think that you may have accidently hit the nail on the head 007.

This hypothetical "we" that created the precedent is actually the mindset in D.C. and I don't see a lot of Americans saying let's pass laws that we won't enforce. In D.C. it is not really something that they worry about. Business as usual.

Which may help explain why Congress' approval ratings are now around 6% with the American public. Between "Beltway-speak" where a reduction in the rate of increase in a budget is called a reduction or cut, to the universal lack of straight talk, people are fed up. With a leftist media framing the narrative, it is difficult for Joe sixpack to figure out exactly what IS going on in this country.

(07-28-2011 09:41 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I think that you may have accidently hit the nail on the head 007.

This hypothetical "we" that created the precedent is actually the mindset in D.C. and I don't see a lot of Americans saying let's pass laws that we won't enforce. In D.C. it is not really something that they worry about. Business as usual.

Which may help explain why Congress' approval ratings are now around 6% with the American public. Between "Beltway-speak" where a reduction in the rate of increase in a budget is called a reduction or cut, to the universal lack of straight talk, people are fed up. With a leftist media framing the narrative, it is difficult for Joe sixpack to figure out exactly what IS going on in this country.

Don't go out on a limb or anything.....

(07-28-2011 07:58 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Lets get real here. Immigration is a hot issue to many Americans. It doesn't matter which party is in the WH. No politician really wants to touch it because it is a political minefield and radioactive.

I've yet to hear of any conservative really calling for amnesty (or any code words for it). That open borders crap is pushed mostly by liberal groups or coalitions. La Raza, A.N.S.W.E.R., etc. If you look up which organizations support this idea, which they like to term "comprehensive" immigration reform, you may see that the majority of them are lefties.

The entire immigration system needs to be reformed but we have a much bigger and more dangerous fire to put out right now.

Very true.

Immigration is the symptom. We are treating the symptom, and not the cause. Why is there an immigration problem? Because we have poverty so close, and haves live next door to have-nots.

If we strategically improve the situation in the Americas, by creating a consumer base that will have the buying power to boost jobs across the Americas, salaries will close the gap. The narrower the gap, the less need for these folks to migrate.

But as Mile High Bronco posted - We have a much bigger fire to put out right now. Few understand how big of a global impact defaulting will have on all economies, esp ours. A divided house cannot stand. These democrats and republicans better get it together, compromise, and do it fast. Otherwise, we should vote ALL culprits out as their terms come up (regardless of their party).

We have laws on the books that need to be enforced. You cannot have a set of laws that you enforce and laws that you just don't care to enforce. That type of subjectiveness is tyranny.