(07-22-2011 12:49 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:47 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  These conservatives gave up on America long ago. They claim to admire the founding fathers but lack the gumption to to even address a budget battle in good faith much less endure the hardships of Valley Forge. Conservatives would have raised the white flag and we would all be speaking English today

It was people with our mindset that kicked out the British twice. Not you big-government, statist Progs. We do care about America. That's why we want to see the damn spending cut, and cut drastically. We cannot sustain this path. It's like you fools can't learn from history.

....but it's good that we didn't get stuck speaking English. American is such a better language.

I love America (government and all)

(07-22-2011 12:49 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:47 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  These conservatives gave up on America long ago. They claim to admire the founding fathers but lack the gumption to to even address a budget battle in good faith much less endure the hardships of Valley Forge. Conservatives would have raised the white flag and we would all be speaking English today

It was people with our mindset that kicked out the British twice. Not you big-government, statist Progs. We do care about America. That's why we want to see the damn spending cut, and cut drastically. We cannot sustain this path. It's like you fools can't learn from history.

....but it's good that we didn't get stuck speaking English. American is such a better language.

Learn from history? Like 1937? You're a grade-A idiot.

(07-22-2011 12:53 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:43 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

You guys need anymore proof that this idiot is batshit insane?

It's a statement that defies belief. I could pick it apart but there's too much to say.

Hey 2001, when you imply that you graduated, what grade was that?

Have at it Sparky. I'd love to see your economic brilliance on display. And by brilliance, I mean insanely dazzling stupidity.

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  They are a major cause of our current situation.

Spending like a crack whore with a stolen AmEx card is the major cause of this situation. Republicans have indeed held the White House for the bulk of the last 30 years. Which party held congress?

It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

Hmmm... Let's see...

If my income steadily climbs and I continue to fall further into debt, what must the reason be?

(07-22-2011 01:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  They are a major cause of our current situation.

Spending like a crack whore with a stolen AmEx card is the major cause of this situation. Republicans have indeed held the White House for the bulk of the last 30 years. Which party held congress?

It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

Hmmm... Let's see...

If my income steadily climbs and I continue to fall further into debt, what must the reason be?

Inflation?

(07-22-2011 12:59 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Have at it Sparky. I'd love to see your economic brilliance on display. And by brilliance, I mean insanely dazzling stupidity.

Says the fool still supporting Obama's failed economic policies.

(07-22-2011 01:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  They are a major cause of our current situation.

Spending like a crack whore with a stolen AmEx card is the major cause of this situation. Republicans have indeed held the White House for the bulk of the last 30 years. Which party held congress?

It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

Hmmm... Let's see...

If my income steadily climbs and I continue to fall further into debt, what must the reason be?

What if your income doesn't steadily climb, but inflation continues on and your family keeps growing?

Of course you're still thinking the problem is debt, and you're wrong. Debt could eventually be a problem, but it's not the problem today. Keep trying, sport. Maybe you'll luck up and get something right one of these days.

(07-22-2011 01:15 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  They are a major cause of our current situation.

Spending like a crack whore with a stolen AmEx card is the major cause of this situation. Republicans have indeed held the White House for the bulk of the last 30 years. Which party held congress?

It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

Hmmm... Let's see...

If my income steadily climbs and I continue to fall further into debt, what must the reason be?

Inflation?

In the short term, possibly. But not over the long haul.

(07-22-2011 01:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  They are a major cause of our current situation.

Spending like a crack whore with a stolen AmEx card is the major cause of this situation. Republicans have indeed held the White House for the bulk of the last 30 years. Which party held congress?

It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

Hmmm... Let's see...

If my income steadily climbs and I continue to fall further into debt, what must the reason be?

What if your income doesn't steadily climb, but inflation continues on and your family keeps growing?

Of course you're still thinking the problem is debt, and you're wrong. Debt could eventually be a problem, but it's not the problem today. Keep trying, sport. Maybe you'll luck up and get something right one of these days.

Debt isn't the problem today? Really? What a relief!

(07-22-2011 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Spending like a crack whore with a stolen AmEx card is the major cause of this situation. Republicans have indeed held the White House for the bulk of the last 30 years. Which party held congress?

It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

Hmmm... Let's see...

If my income steadily climbs and I continue to fall further into debt, what must the reason be?

What if your income doesn't steadily climb, but inflation continues on and your family keeps growing?

Of course you're still thinking the problem is debt, and you're wrong. Debt could eventually be a problem, but it's not the problem today. Keep trying, sport. Maybe you'll luck up and get something right one of these days.

Debt isn't the problem today? Really? What a relief!

No, it's not. Debt is not a short-term problem for us, it is a long-term problem. And it is a problem that will be greatly exacerbated it don't cure the short-term problems which are unemployment and slugglish growth. Smaug, you seem like a good-hearted person, but you don't know shite about economics. Educate yourself a little so the politicans won't be able to pull your strings whenever they want.

(07-22-2011 02:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  No, it's not. Debt is not a short-term problem for us, it is a long-term problem. And it is a problem that will be greatly exacerbated it don't cure the short-term problems which are unemployment and slugglish growth. Smaug, you seem like a good-hearted person, but you don't know shite about economics. Educate yourself a little so the politicans won't be able to pull your strings whenever they want.

...and here comes the "I'm smarter than you, you're a moron," condescension boolsh*t.


Just remember, Smaug, "Grad" still supports Obama's economic policies and thinks he should have spent a LOT more.

That should tell you everything you need to know about "his" economic intelligence.

(07-22-2011 02:19 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:15 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Spending like a crack whore with a stolen AmEx card is the major cause of this situation. Republicans have indeed held the White House for the bulk of the last 30 years. Which party held congress?

It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

Hmmm... Let's see...

If my income steadily climbs and I continue to fall further into debt, what must the reason be?

Inflation?

In the short term, possibly. But not over the long haul.

I kid, I kid about the inflation

(07-22-2011 02:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

Hmmm... Let's see...

If my income steadily climbs and I continue to fall further into debt, what must the reason be?

What if your income doesn't steadily climb, but inflation continues on and your family keeps growing?

Of course you're still thinking the problem is debt, and you're wrong. Debt could eventually be a problem, but it's not the problem today. Keep trying, sport. Maybe you'll luck up and get something right one of these days.

Debt isn't the problem today? Really? What a relief!

No, it's not. Debt is not a short-term problem for us, it is a long-term problem. And it is a problem that will be greatly exacerbated it don't cure the short-term problems which are unemployment and slugglish growth. Smaug, you seem like a good-hearted person, but you don't know shite about economics. Educate yourself a little so the politicans won't be able to pull your strings whenever they want.

With all due respect, I don't know what your economics bona fides are, but you have not convinced me that you're the expert you'd have me believe you are.

So, if the short-term problems are increasingly exacerbated by the long-term problems, why not nip the long-term problem in the bud at every available opportunity, instead of making it worse?

Cut spending. Do it in good times. Do it in bad times. Be a lean, responsible government, better prepared to meet any crisis that arises, rather than be hamstrung by your own avarice anytime you find yourself in a bind.

(07-22-2011 12:59 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:53 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:43 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

You guys need anymore proof that this idiot is batshit insane?

It's a statement that defies belief. I could pick it apart but there's too much to say.

Hey 2001, when you imply that you graduated, what grade was that?

Have at it Sparky. I'd love to see your economic brilliance on display. And by brilliance, I mean insanely dazzling stupidity.

Let's start off with "government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today." So who spent the 14 trillion we owe if it wasn't the government? This should be good.

(07-22-2011 12:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 12:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  They are a major cause of our current situation.

Spending like a crack whore with a stolen AmEx card is the major cause of this situation. Republicans have indeed held the White House for the bulk of the last 30 years. Which party held congress?

It's sad, yet funny, that you lay all the blame at the feet of spending. I would say that government spending is a very small part of why we're where we are today. Tell me why you believe government spending has lead us to this point, and what exactly do you think this point is?

Yup! The national debt many European Countries have racked up... like Greece... has nothing to do with their problems either. It's the d*amned creditors that expect payment that are the problem.

(07-22-2011 12:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 07:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 07:36 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Of course....the GOP has had zero contribution to any of this current mess.

The GOP now controls just 1/2 of 1/3 of the Government and they have held it less than a year.

The fact that Obama and the Dems have unleashed spending unlike any the world has known (amounts that could make Nero blush) is not in any way ameliorated by the bad practices of Bush and the GOP Congress (2000-2006).

There are three typical responses to a recession (and let's not even pretend like this recession was anything like a normal recession). The first is to cut interest rates. Interest rates were already at or near zero when President Obama took over. The second is to cut taxes. Taxes are already at historic lows. The third is to increase spending. That's the only option left on the table and even that is somewhat constrained given the way GOPers have run up our debt over the last three decades. So don't pretend like the GOP doesn't have anything to do with our current situation. They are a major cause of our current situation.

Im fine with the amount spent but not what or how it was spent.

If you want to spend 1 trillion replacing the oldest and most costly bridges, schools, power stations, and other old infrastructure then by all means do it!

If you want to spend the huge majority of that trillion baling out teachers unions in states that fail to balance their own budgets? not so much.

It's like Mr. Nut and NONGRAD are in a race.

If I were negotiating with Obabba, I'd do it publicly and my first demand would be for him to supply a plan to lower the $4.1 Billion per day he is adding to the deficit. Then second his plan to balance the budget were surpluses would go to pay back the national debt . And Third a plan to Cap the growth of the fed, gov't. Obabba's response, "let me get back to ya".

(07-22-2011 02:41 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 02:24 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Hmmm... Let's see...

If my income steadily climbs and I continue to fall further into debt, what must the reason be?

What if your income doesn't steadily climb, but inflation continues on and your family keeps growing?

Of course you're still thinking the problem is debt, and you're wrong. Debt could eventually be a problem, but it's not the problem today. Keep trying, sport. Maybe you'll luck up and get something right one of these days.

Debt isn't the problem today? Really? What a relief!

No, it's not. Debt is not a short-term problem for us, it is a long-term problem. And it is a problem that will be greatly exacerbated it don't cure the short-term problems which are unemployment and slugglish growth. Smaug, you seem like a good-hearted person, but you don't know shite about economics. Educate yourself a little so the politicans won't be able to pull your strings whenever they want.

With all due respect, I don't know what your economics bona fides are, but you have not convinced me that you're the expert you'd have me believe you are.

So, if the short-term problems are increasingly exacerbated by the long-term problems, why not nip the long-term problem in the bud at every available opportunity, instead of making it worse?

Cut spending. Do it in good times. Do it in bad times. Be a lean, responsible government, better prepared to meet any crisis that arises, rather than be hamstrung by your own avarice anytime you find yourself in a bind.

You got it perfectly backwards. The long-term problems (debt) are exacerbated by the short-term problems (sluggish growth and unemployment). If you want to close a huge chunk of the deficit and handle a decent handle the long-term issues, all you have to do is get the economy moving a healthy pace again, end the useless wars and bring military spending back down, and let the Bush tax cuts expire.

In terms of cutting spending, you constrain spending during times of good economic growth and you raise spending during times of economic downturns. That's classic Keynesian economics. Clinton followed that during his administration and brought the publicly-held debt from around 49% of GDP to about 35% of GDP while the economy boomed. Bush then decided to blow a hole in all that and drove the economy off a cliff. The jury is still out on President Obama.

We want Obabba to run on his economic record. Please.