(07-18-2011 10:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-18-2011 09:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  As much as I hate to admit it, Syracuse has had more than 5 football teams finish highly ranked, Steve...

You'd think so, but looking back at the AP polls, that's all i could find. Maybe i missed some?

Yep. You missed some...

(07-18-2011 09:23 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   The same bunch laught at me last year when I talked about adding TCU.

Okay now, let's not get carried away. You were not the first to mention TCU, nor did anyone laugh at you. what was said, as reported by Sandiss, was that several BE presidents laughed at the notion of TCU. However, as time went on, that report became less and less credible.

(07-18-2011 10:47 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  This whole scam is holding the all sports schools back from being the best they can be in the modern era.

Really? How? And name specifics, not just hearsay. It has been proven time and time again that most of what is blamed on the BB-only schools schools, is actually a product of the entire collection of teams (blocking expansion, inviting Nova), and in some cases the actual FB schools themselves (passing on the ESPN deal, ). The BB schools

#1. This is not a football vs basketball discussion so it is a waste of time to try and guess if Cuse is voting against the CUSA bloc. What could happen down the road is that a new level of the NCAA could be developed where institutions pay the full cost of tuition for all student-athletes. It is not a given that a school without football would not be able to pull this off and each school will make the decision independently to move up as they would if they were trying to move up to any other level. If the voting majority of Big East teams vote to move up the conference will probably move up...if we do not have a majority the conference will split. Again, this is not football vs basketball.

#2. I live in Syracuse...we are firmly a basketball town but that does not mean we would not love to embrace football once again. The problem is that we are not going to get big football games in the dome as they have been shipped off to NYC, we are not going to be playing for a National Championship as that is geared toward other conferences, we are not going to bring in top recruits as we cannot compete with the very best programs. The basketball team can do all of the above.

#2 says you have given up on football. And that's my point on Syracuse and football.

(07-19-2011 09:31 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  #2 says you have given up on football. And that's my point on Syracuse and football.

Marrone, the university, Dr. Gross (AD) and many, many fans respectfully disagree, Wilkie. Syracuse football is coming back. We are a three sport school: Football, Basketball and Lacrosse. To be sure, Dr. Gross has done a great job stepping up all of our other teams (non-revenue) on the backs of the three primary sports. He is building a total program. Syracuse fans may favor one sport over another, but are generally loyal to all the teams.

You might remember back a few years when a little 'ole school back in them Kentucky hills with a similar rebuilding effort. Jurich has done an exceptional job.

(07-19-2011 10:21 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(07-19-2011 09:31 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  #2 says you have given up on football. And that's my point on Syracuse and football.

Marrone, the university, Dr. Gross (AD) and many, many fans respectfully disagree, Wilkie. Syracuse football is coming back. We are a three sport school: Football, Basketball and Lacrosse. To be sure, Dr. Gross has done a great job stepping up all of our other teams (non-revenue) on the backs of the three primary sports. He is building a total program. Syracuse fans may favor one sport over another, but are generally loyal to all the teams.

You might remember back a few years when a little 'ole school back in them Kentucky hills with a similar rebuilding effort. Jurich has done an exceptional job.

We are not in the Kentucky hills and we are an older University than Syracuse, thank you. Plus Louisville is a larger and more progressive city than Syracuse is. So let's not go down the name calling road. Louisville and Cuse fans are bigger than that.

(07-19-2011 10:29 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-19-2011 10:21 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(07-19-2011 09:31 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  #2 says you have given up on football. And that's my point on Syracuse and football.

Marrone, the university, Dr. Gross (AD) and many, many fans respectfully disagree, Wilkie. Syracuse football is coming back. We are a three sport school: Football, Basketball and Lacrosse. To be sure, Dr. Gross has done a great job stepping up all of our other teams (non-revenue) on the backs of the three primary sports. He is building a total program. Syracuse fans may favor one sport over another, but are generally loyal to all the teams.

You might remember back a few years when a little 'ole school back in them Kentucky hills with a similar rebuilding effort. Jurich has done an exceptional job.

We are not in the Kentucky hills and we are an older University then Syracuse thank you. Plus Louisville is a larger and more progressive city than Syracuse is. let's not go down the name calling road. Louisville and Cuse fans are bigger than that.

You missed the point. Not name calling or degrading. Just trying to remind you that Louisville went through the same thing just a few short years ago!

It worked quite well, too!

Ok, we are are cool! I will say that Louisville fans in general have great respect for Syracuse as a conference brother and an Institution of higher learning.

(07-19-2011 10:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Ok, we are are cool! I will say that Louisville fans in general have great respect for Syracuse as a conference brother and an Institution of higher learning.

It goes both ways, Louisville is a good conference mate. Pitino was once one of our own.

I am glad for all of the former CUSA teams, yes, even DePaul. I know others want to trash the fact that you guys were CUSA, but each of you has proved to me that you belong. Each school has stepped up (DePaul is trying and spending the $$$). Now, nobody comes close to us in baskletball. Baseball is getting recognition. Football is improving and the big boys don't want to play any of us because we can ruin them (Kudos to LSU!). Overall, I'm beginning to like this Big East better than with Miami, BC and VPI.

Even the olympic sport teams are imrpoving throughout the league and getting recognition on the national scene. Gotta love it! Lacrosse is now a conference sport, too. The conference sponsored sports list is growing!

We just added women's Lacrosse, I hope we add men's Lacrosse as well very soon.

(07-19-2011 10:51 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  We just added women's Lacrosse, I hope we add men's Lacrosse as well very soon.

YES! - for the Big East's sake. I hate that you have Jurich at times like this, he will give them the resources to make them competitive quickly.

(07-18-2011 11:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-18-2011 08:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-18-2011 12:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Syracuse is as much a football school as Louisville or any other BE school. Dont ever forget that. Syracuse has had much more success on the fb field than the basketball court.

I'd say probably not. Yes, Syracuse has clearly had more great NFL players than NBA players, but, over the years, those great players didn't add up to many great teams. It's a program where the teams have tended to be less than the sum of their individual parts.

In contrast, as much as i hate to admit it, Syracuse has had many outstanding basketball teams.

IIRC, Syracuse has had around 5 football teams that finished in the top 10 in the rankings. Surely basketball has had more than that?

Winning a national championship in football is equal in stature to winning a national championship in basketball, imo. SU has one each. I would say that playing in a a BCS level bowl is the equivalent to a final four appearance. SU has 4 final four appearances, and 9 BCS level bowl appearances, more than twice as many. That sounds to me like much more success on the field than on the court. Adding the NFL players that SU has produced, the number of Hall of Famers and All Americans and SU basketball pails in comparison to SU football.

I'd say that since there are 4 BCS bowls with 8 participants, winning one is equal to a Final 4, making one but losing is equal to an elite 8.

So Syracuse football has 1 national title, 2 Final 4s, and 9 Elite 8s. Basketball has 1 national title, 4 Final 4s, and 7 Elite 8s.

Basketball also has 19 Sweet 16 appearances, while football has finished in the top 16 of the AP poll 15 times.

So to me, it's basketball 1/4/7/19 to 1/2/9/15 for football. Very close, but maybe a slight edge to basketball.

Good grief! Cuseroc has me defending and promoting Syracuse basketball! Gag me with a spoon!

(07-19-2011 09:31 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  #2 says you have given up on football. And that's my point on Syracuse and football.

Where did I say we have given up on football? We love football here but it is not at the same level as basketball because our basketball program is a national power. If it comes down to a new level of NCAA play and we must decide to leave Gtown/Nova in order to compete in football at the highest level we would do so without a second thought just like when we left Colgate and Cornell. Things change. However, splitting the conference now to have an all-sports alignment with ECU, Houston, UCF, etc...I do not think it is apparent that we are better off in that alignment which is why we would vote with the basketball schools.

(07-18-2011 07:06 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Wilkie, just a reminder... preseason camp starts in a couple weeks or so. And, once it does, your split posts get kicked to the curb.

So enjoy for now And keep that tinfoil hat on tight. If that heat is coming from us, there's certain to be wind too!

And they should, but we have to find something keep us on the boards during the "Dog Days of Summer", because professional tennis, baseball and soccer suck!

I would love for Syracuse to play college baseball. That would be great for the conference.

I understand the reason why Syracuse declines to do so, however.

To much ice and snow.

They could play in the dome...

Is it wide enough? Louisville old Cardinal Stadium was a baseball stadium. But again is the dome wide enough and is the ceiling high enough, Bit?

Baseball fields don't always conform to the same dimensions, dude. I've seen small ball fields, and huge ones...

I remember playing at old Watt Powell Park. Right center field was 535 feet from home plate. I saw Richie Zisk hit one over the 535 sign, and the ball was still rising as it cleared the fence. The only other player I saw hit one out over that stretch of fence was Dave Parker. The Cobra's ball landed in a coal car on a passing train. It was picked out of the train in San Francisco too. I've always wondered if that counts as the longest home run ever hit...

I just asked if the field would be wide enough and high enough for fly balls. Of course it is deep enough.