(06-03-2011 04:58 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 02:32 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 02:20 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  basketball add value to BE basketball? This post is in reference to ECU's team only.

I assume you mean "as a program", not the actual members of the team.

As a program ECU is located in one of the most talent rich areas of the country for college basketball players, a NEW market for the Big East. Big East programs would have exposure in this area. ECU routinely plays some games in the Fayetteville NC arena and has played games in Raleigh, Greensboro, and Charlotte tourneys in the past. Granted ECU's record has not been stellar, but ECU was able to hold up and be respectable in the old CUSA, which at one point was the 4th rated conference in the country.

Jeff Lebo has given ECU basketball new credibility and he looks to be staying awhile (turning down Penn State overtures).

Finally, Williams Arena had big crowds in the old CUSA and is routinely mentioned as being one of the toughest places to play because of the noise level provided by the students at court level and the low ceiling level. Separate practice facilities, a Pirate sports HOF, and new facade to the Coliseum are also being added after next basketball season. Some upgrades are expected in Williams Arena as well.

Your area of NC is hardly a recruiting hotbed. By your by inviting SMU, SMU delivers the whole state of Texas for recruiting.

If you started a thread talking about ECU basketball, but then started writing nonsensical crap about Eastern North Carolina not being a recruiting hotbed for basketball, then you are showing how uninformed that you really are. Just stop it already. ECU has so many good good basketball players within just an hour or two within their campus, that if they just got kids from that area they would be one of the top basketball programs in the Country. The silliest part of your nonsense is that you don't realize that ECU has had some really good players over the years; and they have also turned away some really good basketball players. So this is yet another subject that you are wrong about.

(06-03-2011 05:38 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 04:58 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 02:32 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 02:20 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  basketball add value to BE basketball? This post is in reference to ECU's team only.

I assume you mean "as a program", not the actual members of the team.

As a program ECU is located in one of the most talent rich areas of the country for college basketball players, a NEW market for the Big East. Big East programs would have exposure in this area. ECU routinely plays some games in the Fayetteville NC arena and has played games in Raleigh, Greensboro, and Charlotte tourneys in the past. Granted ECU's record has not been stellar, but ECU was able to hold up and be respectable in the old CUSA, which at one point was the 4th rated conference in the country.

Jeff Lebo has given ECU basketball new credibility and he looks to be staying awhile (turning down Penn State overtures).

Finally, Williams Arena had big crowds in the old CUSA and is routinely mentioned as being one of the toughest places to play because of the noise level provided by the students at court level and the low ceiling level. Separate practice facilities, a Pirate sports HOF, and new facade to the Coliseum are also being added after next basketball season. Some upgrades are expected in Williams Arena as well.

Your area of NC is hardly a recruiting hotbed. By your by inviting SMU, SMU delivers the whole state of Texas for recruiting.

If you started a thread talking about ECU basketball, but then started writing nonsensical crap about Eastern North Carolina not being a recruiting hotbed for basketball, then you are showing how uninformed that you really are. Just stop it already. ECU has so many good good basketball players within just an hour or two within their campus, that if they just got kids from that area they would be one of the top basketball programs in the Country. The silliest part of your nonsense is that you don't realize that ECU has had some really good players over the years; and they have also turned away some really good basketball players. So this is yet another subject that you are wrong about.

Greenville IS NOT a recruiting hot bed for basketball. If you expand the area away from your school to use your logic, then you can apply the same logic to SMU including all of east Texas including Houston. Quit restating a post to fit your needs and answer a simple question. Please answer the question in the OP.

You ECU fans build the case for exclusion from the BE on your own.


We are still waiting for you to list the achievements of ECU basketball. If we knew we would not be asking. So please educate us on ECU basketball.

(06-03-2011 06:09 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  We are still waiting for you to list the achievements of ECU basketball. If we knew we would not be asking. So please educate us on ECU basketball.

Let's just assume there aren't any. What's the point of this thread?

(06-03-2011 06:11 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:09 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  We are still waiting for you to list the achievements of ECU basketball. If we knew we would not be asking. So please educate us on ECU basketball.

Let's just assume there aren't any. What's the point of this thread?

A 5 year old can understand this question. One simply wants to know about the achievements of ECU basketball that would merit BE membership. It's amazing your fans have twisted a simple post in every direction without answering the original question. Just answer the question.

West is Best,

We get the point, you don't see what ECU adds to the conference. Could you move on to the next subject please?

Besides, its looking like ECU will be added as a Football Only school. So its Hoops success in the past and present is irrelevant right now.

Post more of what SMU brings to the table rather go out of your way to say what ECU doesn't bring to the table.

ECU fans,

While West is Best is a tad bit annoying I haven't seen anything to warrant a banning.

(06-03-2011 04:13 PM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 02:27 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 02:20 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  basketball add value to BE basketball? This post is in reference to ECU's team only.

I don't know that they do. But I don't know that it matters. The weakness of the Big East is in football. And ECU would strengthen football.

How would an ECU football program that has only 4 winning seasons in the past 10 years and has lost 3 bowl games in a row & 5 of their last 6 strengthen Big East Football???

Screw this....

We need football strength period...ECU brings it with a solid fanbase. What kind of Bball strength did TCU bring, not to much and the same can go for Houston if invited. They have not been good in 20 years or so and play BBALL in a pig swine that is always under 50% capacity. ECU facilities are much nicer and I think ECU BBALL could at least be better than Depaul, Providence, Seton Hall, Rutgers and USF once they get in the Big East. ECU, Memphis & Houston for BIG EAST!

(06-03-2011 06:23 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:11 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:09 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  We are still waiting for you to list the achievements of ECU basketball. If we knew we would not be asking. So please educate us on ECU basketball.

Let's just assume there aren't any. What's the point of this thread?

A 5 year old can understand this question. One simply wants to know about the achievements of ECU basketball that would merit BE membership. It's amazing your fans have twisted a simple post in every direction without answering the original question. Just answer the question.

A 5 year old can also understand that you are a moron and bring nothing in the way of discussion other than trouble just by looking at your threads and seeing your rep. score......does ECU basketball help strengthen Big East basketball? Absolutely not, and we all knew the answer to this question with out one needing to respond. The Big East is the Best basketball conference in the Nation. Does ECU's poor basketball history allude to them helping an already impeccable basketball conference? No. The "perceived" weakness the Big east has is in Football. Can ECU help strengthen the Big East in Football. Yes.

(06-03-2011 06:09 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 05:38 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 04:58 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 02:32 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 02:20 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  basketball add value to BE basketball? This post is in reference to ECU's team only.

I assume you mean "as a program", not the actual members of the team.

As a program ECU is located in one of the most talent rich areas of the country for college basketball players, a NEW market for the Big East. Big East programs would have exposure in this area. ECU routinely plays some games in the Fayetteville NC arena and has played games in Raleigh, Greensboro, and Charlotte tourneys in the past. Granted ECU's record has not been stellar, but ECU was able to hold up and be respectable in the old CUSA, which at one point was the 4th rated conference in the country.

Jeff Lebo has given ECU basketball new credibility and he looks to be staying awhile (turning down Penn State overtures).

Finally, Williams Arena had big crowds in the old CUSA and is routinely mentioned as being one of the toughest places to play because of the noise level provided by the students at court level and the low ceiling level. Separate practice facilities, a Pirate sports HOF, and new facade to the Coliseum are also being added after next basketball season. Some upgrades are expected in Williams Arena as well.

Your area of NC is hardly a recruiting hotbed. By your by inviting SMU, SMU delivers the whole state of Texas for recruiting.

If you started a thread talking about ECU basketball, but then started writing nonsensical crap about Eastern North Carolina not being a recruiting hotbed for basketball, then you are showing how uninformed that you really are. Just stop it already. ECU has so many good good basketball players within just an hour or two within their campus, that if they just got kids from that area they would be one of the top basketball programs in the Country. The silliest part of your nonsense is that you don't realize that ECU has had some really good players over the years; and they have also turned away some really good basketball players. So this is yet another subject that you are wrong about.

Greenville IS NOT a recruiting hot bed for basketball. If you expand the area away from your school to use your logic, then you can apply the same logic to SMU including all of east Texas including Houston. Quit restating a post to fit your needs and answer a simple question. Please answer the question in the OP.

You ECU fans build the case for exclusion from the BE on your own.


We are still waiting for you to list the achievements of ECU basketball. If we knew we would not be asking. So please educate us on ECU basketball.

Dude,

You are the King of obfuscation. Whenever someone presents proof that your comments are wrong, you still act like a dolt. Although your latest statements are proof positive that you are not acting. Using your own demented logic, we can also say that Chapel Hill, North Carolina, is not a hot bed for basketball recruiting; because the best players ever in the history of that institution are not from Chapel HILL.

In case you didn't notice Greenville is just the City that East Carolina is located in; however if you look at the name of the University it is EAST CAROLINA, not UNC-Greenville. So the school is telling you in the name what area it represents (you even used the word "area" in your initial post, not the term City; thus my response); which is all of Eastern North Carolina. Just like we all know that UNC represents all of North Carolina. So your logic is faulty.

I showed you how ignorant your statements were about the basketball recruiting in Eastern North Carolina. That area of the State has produced top flight basketball recruits for many decades, including guys like Jerry Stackhouse and Michael Jordan. Yet you ignored all of attachments for current highly rated players from that area, 3 of whom grew up within 45 minutes from ECU's campus; and they had ECU in their final group of schools that they considered. However, as usual you ignored and didn't respond to the post that showed that you were wrong.

As far as ECU goes, no one anywhere is saying that they have proven anything in basketball. And you seem to be the only person that does not know that basketball is not the reason that the Big East is expanding; because if it were then Memphis rather than Notre Dame or Navy, would be at the top of the Big East wish list. But Memphis is not even being mentioned lately, so what is that telling you about what the Big East is looking for?

Oddly enough ECU probably has one of the higher upsides in basketball than any of the other expansion candidates mentioned, because Big East membership will almost guarantee that many kids that have been bypassing ECU to go to the lower rung ACC schools; will probably decide to stay home and play for ECU in the Big East. So that type of membership is going to help ECU tap into a recruiting market that they had not previously been able to exploit. BTW, last year in this forum there was a listing that showed that the State of North Carolina was also in the top 10 nationally (I seem to recall 6th or 7th) in football recruiting.

(06-03-2011 07:02 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:09 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 05:38 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 04:58 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 02:32 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I assume you mean "as a program", not the actual members of the team.

As a program ECU is located in one of the most talent rich areas of the country for college basketball players, a NEW market for the Big East. Big East programs would have exposure in this area. ECU routinely plays some games in the Fayetteville NC arena and has played games in Raleigh, Greensboro, and Charlotte tourneys in the past. Granted ECU's record has not been stellar, but ECU was able to hold up and be respectable in the old CUSA, which at one point was the 4th rated conference in the country.

Jeff Lebo has given ECU basketball new credibility and he looks to be staying awhile (turning down Penn State overtures).

Finally, Williams Arena had big crowds in the old CUSA and is routinely mentioned as being one of the toughest places to play because of the noise level provided by the students at court level and the low ceiling level. Separate practice facilities, a Pirate sports HOF, and new facade to the Coliseum are also being added after next basketball season. Some upgrades are expected in Williams Arena as well.

Your area of NC is hardly a recruiting hotbed. By your by inviting SMU, SMU delivers the whole state of Texas for recruiting.

If you started a thread talking about ECU basketball, but then started writing nonsensical crap about Eastern North Carolina not being a recruiting hotbed for basketball, then you are showing how uninformed that you really are. Just stop it already. ECU has so many good good basketball players within just an hour or two within their campus, that if they just got kids from that area they would be one of the top basketball programs in the Country. The silliest part of your nonsense is that you don't realize that ECU has had some really good players over the years; and they have also turned away some really good basketball players. So this is yet another subject that you are wrong about.

Greenville IS NOT a recruiting hot bed for basketball. If you expand the area away from your school to use your logic, then you can apply the same logic to SMU including all of east Texas including Houston. Quit restating a post to fit your needs and answer a simple question. Please answer the question in the OP.

You ECU fans build the case for exclusion from the BE on your own.


We are still waiting for you to list the achievements of ECU basketball. If we knew we would not be asking. So please educate us on ECU basketball.

Dude,

You are the King of obfuscation. Whenever someone presents proof that your comments are wrong, you still act like a dolt. Although your latest statements are proof positive that you are not acting. Using your own demented logic, we can also say that Chapel Hill, North Carolina, is not a hot bed for basketball recruiting; because the best players ever in the history of that institution are not from Chapel HILL.

In case you didn't notice Greenville is just the City that East Carolina is located in; however if you look at the name of the University it is EAST CAROLINA, not UNC-Greenville. So the school is telling you in the name what area it represents (you even used the word "area" in your initial post, not the term City; thus my response); which is all of Eastern North Carolina. Just like we all know that UNC represents all of North Carolina. So your logic is faulty.

I showed you how ignorant your statements were about the basketball recruiting in Eastern North Carolina. That area of the State has produced top flight basketball recruits for many decades, including guys like Jerry Stackhouse and Michael Jordan. Yet you ignored all of attachments for current highly rated players from that area, 3 of whom grew up within 45 minutes from ECU's campus; and they had ECU in their final group of schools that they considered. However, as usual you ignored and didn't respond to the post that showed that you were wrong.

As far as ECU goes, no one anywhere is saying that they have proven anything in basketball. And you seem to be the only person that does not know that basketball is not the reason that the Big East is expanding; because if it were then Memphis rather than Notre Dame or Navy, would be at the top of the Big East wish list. But Memphis is not even being mentioned lately, so what is that telling you about what the Big East is looking for?

Oddly enough ECU probably has one of the higher upsides in basketball than any of the other expansion candidates mentioned, because Big East membership will almost guarantee that many kids that have been bypassing ECU to go to the lower rung ACC schools; will probably decide to stay home and play for ECU in the Big East. So that type of membership is going to help ECU tap into a recruiting market that they had not previously been able to exploit. BTW, last year in this forum there was a listing that showed that the State of North Carolina was also in the top 10 nationally (I seem to recall 6th or 7th) in football recruiting.

Too much for West's 5 yr old mind to handle.

(06-03-2011 02:20 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  basketball add value to BE basketball? This post is in reference to ECU's team only.

Why, why, why, why....I mean really you already know who is going to get in The Big East so why do you keep bringing up ECU. Your TV market reports and studies have already told you we have no value whatsoever so why ask the question. At this point you are just trolling at ECU's expense. I really do not understand your obsession with ECU especially when you are so certain that UCF, UH, and SMU are going to the Big East.

(06-03-2011 02:20 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  As A Team, how does ECU basketball add value to BE basketball? This post is in reference to ECU's team only.

Easy. ECU adds a passionate fan base that cares about the basketball team. Look at it like this, troll. More Pirate fans attended the Tulsa-ECU football game than attended all SMU basketball games during the 2010 season combined. 4,500+ showed up on average to watch ECU - a team with no real history - compared to the 3,200 that came to see the storied Houston program. I won't mention the 1,900 that show up for SMU game. While you harp on about the past, we are building for the future.

(Apologies for bringing Houston into this).

(06-03-2011 08:41 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Why, why, why, why....I mean really you already know who is going to get in The Big East so why do you keep bringing up ECU. Your TV market reports and studies have already told you we have no value whatsoever so why ask the question. At this point you are just trolling at ECU's expense. I really do not understand your obsession with ECU especially when you are so certain that UCF, UH, and SMU are going to the Big East.

Well said.

(06-03-2011 06:34 PM)animus Wrote:  West is Best,

We get the point, you don't see what ECU adds to the conference. Could you move on to the next subject please?

Besides, its looking like ECU will be added as a Football Only school. So its Hoops success in the past and present is irrelevant right now.

Post more of what SMU brings to the table rather go out of your way to say what ECU doesn't bring to the table.

ECU fans,

While West is Best is a tad bit annoying I haven't seen anything to warrant a banning.

No clue who said BAN...but when you see a smack/crap thread (like this...which is obvious...as the original poster, OP, was just trolling for smack/crap and basically admits doing so)...can you at least move it to the smack/crap board?????? (If you aren't going to delete the thread entirely)

(06-03-2011 06:40 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  We need football strength period...ECU brings it with a solid fanbase.

I agree that we need football strength. And I agree that ECU brings a solid fanbase.

The problem is that ECU does not bring football strength on the field. 4 winning seasons in the past 10 years with 3 straight bowl losses & 5 losses in the past 6 bowls do not speak to a school that has established a solid football program.

Within their own state, both UNC & NC State draw more fans. ECU fans themselves bash those w schools as basketball schools, not football schools. So, by ECU's own argument, attendance alone doesn't signify a strong football program. Kansas is another school that draws fans to football games but is still regarded as a basketball school without a strong football program. 3 winning seasons in the past 15 years explain why they have that reputation. Colorado is another school that draws fans to football games, but isn't regarded as a successful program in the recent past. Since 2000, they've had 4 winning seasons in 11 years. That's why the Big XII wasn't unhappy to see them go.

(06-04-2011 08:22 AM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:40 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  We need football strength period...ECU brings it with a solid fanbase.

I agree that we need football strength. And I agree that ECU brings a solid fanbase.

The problem is that ECU does not bring football strength on the field. 4 winning seasons in the past 10 years with 3 straight bowl losses & 5 losses in the past 6 bowls do not speak to a school that has established a solid football program.

Within their own state, both UNC & NC State draw more fans. ECU fans themselves bash those w schools as basketball schools, not football schools. So, by ECU's own argument, attendance alone doesn't signify a strong football program. Kansas is another school that draws fans to football games but is still regarded as a basketball school without a strong football program. 3 winning seasons in the past 15 years explain why they have that reputation. Colorado is another school that draws fans to football games, but isn't regarded as a successful program in the recent past. Since 2000, they've had 4 winning seasons in 11 years. That's why the Big XII wasn't unhappy to see them go.

Bill Marsh, This is a fair question.
Right now, is ECU as flashy a pick for football as TCU? No. Our level of success has not been as high as TCU's. TCU's recent football success has been much better than ECU's as well as any school in the Big East including WVU. We have great fan support as you have already mentioned. We have invested and continue to invest a great deal of money into our football facilites as well as other sports which show we are committed to growing and succeeding to higher levels.
Now for on the field product....
Compare our record vs BCS teams against any other BE candiate that is being talked about. It shows that we are the most competitive against teams in the AQ conferences. In the Last 3 years of our conference, we have been conference champs twice. Minus our huge mistake of hiring John Thompson. Our football record for the last 20 years;

5-6, 11-1, 2-9, 7-5, 9-3, 8-3, 5-6, 6-5, 9-3, 8-4, 6-6, 4-8, 1-11, 2-9, 5-6, 7-6, 8-5, 9-5, 9-5, 6-7.

Not Epic, but pretty solid for a football program. I am in No way saying we would come in and dominate the Big east. But I believe we would be very competitive and have years that would put us upper half on a regular basis.

th.

(06-04-2011 07:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:34 PM)animus Wrote:  West is Best,

We get the point, you don't see what ECU adds to the conference. Could you move on to the next subject please?

Besides, its looking like ECU will be added as a Football Only school. So its Hoops success in the past and present is irrelevant right now.

Post more of what SMU brings to the table rather go out of your way to say what ECU doesn't bring to the table.

ECU fans,

While West is Best is a tad bit annoying I haven't seen anything to warrant a banning.

No clue who said BAN...but when you see a smack/crap thread (like this...which is obvious...as the original poster, OP, was just trolling for smack/crap and basically admits doing so)...can you at least move it to the smack/crap board?????? (If you aren't going to delete the thread entirely)

Don't speak for me! This thread was not smack at all nor did I ever admit such. It was a legitimate request for ECU fans to list reasons why ECU's BB program merits BE membership. Unless one praises ECU then this small group of ECU fans goes on the attack. Since they can not list the accomplishments of ECU BB they have to attack the OP? I give the ECU fans a chance to show the merits of their program and a small group goes into attack mode and then their childish rankings.

If any person(s) are annoying, it is the childish behavior of a small group of ECU fans that attack posters they disagree with. As other posters have noted, these ECU fans usually end up proving the points of the OP for which they disagree. If they don't like what they read they can ignore the post but their childish attacks cause them to lose any credibility.

(06-04-2011 07:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:34 PM)animus Wrote:  West is Best,

We get the point, you don't see what ECU adds to the conference. Could you move on to the next subject please?

Besides, its looking like ECU will be added as a Football Only school. So its Hoops success in the past and present is irrelevant right now.

Post more of what SMU brings to the table rather go out of your way to say what ECU doesn't bring to the table.

ECU fans,

While West is Best is a tad bit annoying I haven't seen anything to warrant a banning.

No clue who said BAN...but when you see a smack/crap thread (like this...which is obvious...as the original poster, OP, was just trolling for smack/crap and basically admits doing so)...can you at least move it to the smack/crap board?????? (If you aren't going to delete the thread entirely)

Here is the comment from a ECU poster in regard to my ranking "Your mom smells " a clear example of the attacks and childish behavior of a small group of ECU fans.

The amazing fact is that I have given credit and been objective when it comes to ECU. Yet these childish posters ignore these facts and attack almost every post. I've received strong support through e-mails and PMs in regard to my posts. The one dominant theme is that a handful of ECU posters create a negative perspetive of ECU fans in general. And this handful of fans limit objective debates about the merits of programs by attacking almost every post of mine.

(06-04-2011 09:13 AM)West Is the Best Wrote:  

(06-04-2011 07:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:34 PM)animus Wrote:  West is Best,

We get the point, you don't see what ECU adds to the conference. Could you move on to the next subject please?

Besides, its looking like ECU will be added as a Football Only school. So its Hoops success in the past and present is irrelevant right now.

Post more of what SMU brings to the table rather go out of your way to say what ECU doesn't bring to the table.

ECU fans,

While West is Best is a tad bit annoying I haven't seen anything to warrant a banning.

No clue who said BAN...but when you see a smack/crap thread (like this...which is obvious...as the original poster, OP, was just trolling for smack/crap and basically admits doing so)...can you at least move it to the smack/crap board?????? (If you aren't going to delete the thread entirely)

Here is the comment from a ECU poster in regard to my ranking "Your mom smells " a clear example of the attacks and childish behavior of a small group of ECU fans.

The amazing fact is that I have given credit and been objective when it comes to ECU. Yet these childish posters ignore these facts and attack almost every post. I've received strong support through e-mails and PMs in regard to my posts. The one dominant theme is that a handful of ECU posters create a negative perspetive of ECU fans in general. And this handful of fans limit objective debates about the merits of programs by attacking almost every post of mine.

BE REAL, you are the one childish. You try to provoke.

All of you drop it. If you can't be civil on a subject, just shut up about it...