(05-20-2011 01:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Here's a reply to the DRC blog article from Walker (apparently the ONLY NAME HE REALLY OBJECTS TO IS ULL)

Posted by Jay Walker @ 10:40 AM Fri, May 20, 2011

Brett,

Thanks for the pub. However, you were off base one point. I never said anything about calling the Cajuns "Louisiana" except to say it is the preferred athletic brand.

I do not, and have never had a problem with "Louisiana-Lafayette" or "UL-Lafayette."

The University has been saying do not use ULL for twelve years.

The Commissioner continues to shove it down our throats....hence my consternation

BOP is a lot more diplomatic then most us, little Brett needs to understand that most of us really don't care what the little homer beat writer in Denton thinks. I could easily say that most people nationally don't know who Brett Vito is either, even if he twitters his name all day long!

(05-20-2011 06:10 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 01:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Here's a reply to the DRC blog article from Walker (apparently the ONLY NAME HE REALLY OBJECTS TO IS ULL)

Posted by Jay Walker @ 10:40 AM Fri, May 20, 2011

Brett,

Thanks for the pub. However, you were off base one point. I never said anything about calling the Cajuns "Louisiana" except to say it is the preferred athletic brand.

I do not, and have never had a problem with "Louisiana-Lafayette" or "UL-Lafayette."

The University has been saying do not use ULL for twelve years.

The Commissioner continues to shove it down our throats....hence my consternation

BOP is a lot more diplomatic then most us, little Brett needs to understand that most of us really don't care what the little homer beat writer in Denton thinks. I could easily say that most people nationally don't know who Brett Vito is either, even if he twitters his name all day long!

Those kind of reactions are why people won't stop using ULL....

(05-20-2011 06:15 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 06:10 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 01:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Here's a reply to the DRC blog article from Walker (apparently the ONLY NAME HE REALLY OBJECTS TO IS ULL)

Posted by Jay Walker @ 10:40 AM Fri, May 20, 2011

Brett,

Thanks for the pub. However, you were off base one point. I never said anything about calling the Cajuns "Louisiana" except to say it is the preferred athletic brand.

I do not, and have never had a problem with "Louisiana-Lafayette" or "UL-Lafayette."

The University has been saying do not use ULL for twelve years.

The Commissioner continues to shove it down our throats....hence my consternation

BOP is a lot more diplomatic then most us, little Brett needs to understand that most of us really don't care what the little homer beat writer in Denton thinks. I could easily say that most people nationally don't know who Brett Vito is either, even if he twitters his name all day long!

Those kind of reactions are why people won't stop using ULL....

:python:

(05-20-2011 06:10 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 01:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Here's a reply to the DRC blog article from Walker (apparently the ONLY NAME HE REALLY OBJECTS TO IS ULL)

Posted by Jay Walker @ 10:40 AM Fri, May 20, 2011

Brett,

Thanks for the pub. However, you were off base one point. I never said anything about calling the Cajuns "Louisiana" except to say it is the preferred athletic brand.

I do not, and have never had a problem with "Louisiana-Lafayette" or "UL-Lafayette."

The University has been saying do not use ULL for twelve years.

The Commissioner continues to shove it down our throats....hence my consternation

BOP is a lot more diplomatic then most us, little Brett needs to understand that most of us really don't care what the little homer beat writer in Denton thinks. I could easily say that most people nationally don't know who Brett Vito is either, even if he twitters his name all day long!

Kinda like most could not care less what "ULL" wants to be called. As I read Vito, he actually supports part of your moniker argument; that names are derived from common usage not strict adherence to official nomenclature. By the way if you read a lot of Vito, you would realize he is not exactly the homer you depict.

(05-20-2011 06:15 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 06:10 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 01:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Here's a reply to the DRC blog article from Walker (apparently the ONLY NAME HE REALLY OBJECTS TO IS ULL)

Posted by Jay Walker @ 10:40 AM Fri, May 20, 2011

Brett,

Thanks for the pub. However, you were off base one point. I never said anything about calling the Cajuns "Louisiana" except to say it is the preferred athletic brand.

I do not, and have never had a problem with "Louisiana-Lafayette" or "UL-Lafayette."

The University has been saying do not use ULL for twelve years.

The Commissioner continues to shove it down our throats....hence my consternation

BOP is a lot more diplomatic then most us, little Brett needs to understand that most of us really don't care what the little homer beat writer in Denton thinks. I could easily say that most people nationally don't know who Brett Vito is either, even if he twitters his name all day long!

Those kind of reactions are why people won't stop using ULL....

You mean telling people like it is brother? I don't care much for well intentioned critics giving advice on what we need to call oursleves. If he is going to insinuate that no one outside Lafayette would recognize the name Louisiana, surely that same comparison would apply to the beat writer for UNT in Denton as well. If that bothers him or you Matt, then keep your opinions to youselves, no one asked for it. If he is going to lecture a program about it's name, then he opened himself up for criticism.

(05-20-2011 06:33 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 06:10 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 01:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Here's a reply to the DRC blog article from Walker (apparently the ONLY NAME HE REALLY OBJECTS TO IS ULL)

Posted by Jay Walker @ 10:40 AM Fri, May 20, 2011

Brett,

Thanks for the pub. However, you were off base one point. I never said anything about calling the Cajuns "Louisiana" except to say it is the preferred athletic brand.

I do not, and have never had a problem with "Louisiana-Lafayette" or "UL-Lafayette."

The University has been saying do not use ULL for twelve years.

The Commissioner continues to shove it down our throats....hence my consternation

BOP is a lot more diplomatic then most us, little Brett needs to understand that most of us really don't care what the little homer beat writer in Denton thinks. I could easily say that most people nationally don't know who Brett Vito is either, even if he twitters his name all day long!

Kinda like most could not care less what "ULL" wants to be called. As I read Vito, he actually supports part of your moniker argument; that names are derived from common usage not strict adherence to official nomenclature. By the way if you read a lot of Vito, you would realize he is not exactly the homer you depict.

Don't care about what Brett Vito or any other person in media has to say about the branding of our athletics. The larger point that he missed, is that Wright Waters is trying force his will in concerns of branding of athletics as a member institution.

(05-20-2011 06:41 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 06:15 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 06:10 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 01:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Here's a reply to the DRC blog article from Walker (apparently the ONLY NAME HE REALLY OBJECTS TO IS ULL)

Posted by Jay Walker @ 10:40 AM Fri, May 20, 2011

Brett,

Thanks for the pub. However, you were off base one point. I never said anything about calling the Cajuns "Louisiana" except to say it is the preferred athletic brand.

I do not, and have never had a problem with "Louisiana-Lafayette" or "UL-Lafayette."

The University has been saying do not use ULL for twelve years.

The Commissioner continues to shove it down our throats....hence my consternation

BOP is a lot more diplomatic then most us, little Brett needs to understand that most of us really don't care what the little homer beat writer in Denton thinks. I could easily say that most people nationally don't know who Brett Vito is either, even if he twitters his name all day long!

Those kind of reactions are why people won't stop using ULL....

You mean telling people like it is brother? I don't care much for well intentioned critics giving advice on what we need to call oursleves. If he is going to insinuate that no one outside Lafayette would recognize the name Louisiana, surely that same comparison would apply to the beat writer for UNT in Denton as well. If that bothers him or you Matt, then keep your opinions to youselves, no one asked for it. If he is going to lecture a program about it's name, then he opened himself up for criticism.

That is not my point. My point is the more the ULL fans are little babies about it, the more people are going to use ULL. I try to use Cajuns, but could not really care any less what you guys are trying to brand yourselves as, as could the rest of the conference, when the generally accepted abbreviation is ULL. But, as I said before, I have tried to start using Cajuns, if only to avoid the whining, that still continues even after a whole different thread on this forum is dedicated to making it stop.

(05-20-2011 07:52 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 06:41 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 06:15 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 06:10 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 01:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Here's a reply to the DRC blog article from Walker (apparently the ONLY NAME HE REALLY OBJECTS TO IS ULL)

Posted by Jay Walker @ 10:40 AM Fri, May 20, 2011

Brett,

Thanks for the pub. However, you were off base one point. I never said anything about calling the Cajuns "Louisiana" except to say it is the preferred athletic brand.

I do not, and have never had a problem with "Louisiana-Lafayette" or "UL-Lafayette."

The University has been saying do not use ULL for twelve years.

The Commissioner continues to shove it down our throats....hence my consternation

BOP is a lot more diplomatic then most us, little Brett needs to understand that most of us really don't care what the little homer beat writer in Denton thinks. I could easily say that most people nationally don't know who Brett Vito is either, even if he twitters his name all day long!

Those kind of reactions are why people won't stop using ULL....

You mean telling people like it is brother? I don't care much for well intentioned critics giving advice on what we need to call oursleves. If he is going to insinuate that no one outside Lafayette would recognize the name Louisiana, surely that same comparison would apply to the beat writer for UNT in Denton as well. If that bothers him or you Matt, then keep your opinions to youselves, no one asked for it. If he is going to lecture a program about it's name, then he opened himself up for criticism.

That is not my point. My point is the more the ULL fans are little babies about it, the more people are going to use ULL. I try to use Cajuns, but could not really care any less what you guys are trying to brand yourselves as, as could the rest of the conference, when the generally accepted abbreviation is ULL. But, as I said before, I have tried to start using Cajuns, if only to avoid the whining, that still continues even after a whole different thread on this forum is dedicated to making it stop.

Could you please link to the post where you used Cajuns and UL fans whined about it, or did you use ULL?

(05-20-2011 07:57 PM)CajunT Wrote:  Could you please link to the post where you used Cajuns and UL fans whined about it, or did you use ULL?

I give up.

(05-20-2011 08:29 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 07:57 PM)CajunT Wrote:  Could you please link to the post where you used Cajuns and UL fans whined about it, or did you use ULL?

I give up.

Matt, its a simple question. I don't recall you ever been chastised for just using Cajuns, either you did or you didn't. Perhaps you are exaggerating a little?

(05-20-2011 08:51 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 08:29 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 07:57 PM)CajunT Wrote:  Could you please link to the post where you used Cajuns and UL fans whined about it, or did you use ULL?

I give up.

Matt, its a simple question. I don't recall you ever been chastised for just using Cajuns, either you did or you didn't. Perhaps you are exaggerating a little?

I didn't say I was...what I did say is that I try to use Cajuns to avoid the inevitable whining that comes about when people call ULL by their real name. There is an entire thread about new board rules, discussing what to be done about it. I said I give up, because you are either ignoring my point or it is going over your head.

It is human nature, the more you guys complain, the more people are going to use ULL because the ULL fans don't like it. Someone else made the same point in the other thread.

(05-20-2011 08:55 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 08:51 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 08:29 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 07:57 PM)CajunT Wrote:  Could you please link to the post where you used Cajuns and UL fans whined about it, or did you use ULL?

I give up.

Matt, its a simple question. I don't recall you ever been chastised for just using Cajuns, either you did or you didn't. Perhaps you are exaggerating a little?

I didn't say I was...what I did say is that I try to use Cajuns to avoid the inevitable whining that comes about when people call ULL by their real name. There is an entire thread about new board rules, discussing what to be done about it. I said I give up, because you are either ignoring my point or it is going over your head.

It is human nature, the more you guys complain, the more people are going to use ULL because the ULL fans don't like it. Someone else made the same point in the other thread.

Matt said: But, as I said before, I have tried to start using Cajuns, if only to avoid the whining, that still continues even after a whole different thread on this forum is dedicated to making it stop.

So you tried using Cajuns, but it still continues in a different thread? So you got pissed becasue Cajun fans went after another poster? Here's a tip, don't read it! I don't care to read the countless number of threads over the years between UNT fans and MT fans calling each others names. You haven't been attacked personally, but you tried really hard? Hey, thanks for trying Matt! No, really!

(05-20-2011 09:03 PM)CajunT Wrote:  Matt said: But, as I said before, I have tried to start using Cajuns, if only to avoid the whining, that still continues even after a whole different thread on this forum is dedicated to making it stop.

So you tried using Cajuns, but it still continues in a different thread? So you got pissed becasue Cajun fans went after another poster? Here's a tip, don't read it! I don't care to read the countless number of threads over the years between UNT fans and MT fans calling each others names. You haven't been attacked personally, but you tried really hard? Hey, thanks for trying Matt! No, really!

My use of commas must have thrown you off...here we go:

Part 1: "But, as I said before, I have tried to start using Cajuns" - This is a fact, I have indeed tried to start using Cajuns despite the fact that I know your school as ULL, and ULL saves me precious letters in my typing. Oh well.

Part 2: "if only to avoid the whining, that still continues even after a whole different thread on this forum is dedicated to making it stop." - The first part (before the comma) is saying that I only have started doing it to avoid the inevitable whining from ULL...crap, Cajun fans that refuse to just let people on a message board refer to their school the way they are used to. The whining that is still continuing is your whining, right now, and the thread dedicated to the topic is the one titled "New Board Rules Proposal", the link to which can be found HERE. The specific quote I was referring to, that pretty much encompasses my point occurs in Post #27 of that thread from OsageJ, and says, "So maybe Louisiana should just refer to themselves like they want and without the fussing most people will eventually call them what they want to be called."

Hopefully that clears things up.

Read Mr. Walker's comments. It seems that Louisiana-Lafayette or UL-Lafayette are acceptable to Cajun sensabilities (just not the deaded ULL). So the pc crowd on this board should go with either Louisiana-Lafayette or UL-Lafayette (maybe even Louisiana@Lafayette) but not ULL (so as to avoid upsetting the Cajuns) or UL or Louisiana (so as to avoid upsetting the War Hawks). See, thats not so hard.

Maybe North Texas should use NoT

(05-21-2011 11:40 AM)hb8 Wrote:  Read Mr. Walker's comments. It seems that Louisiana-Lafayette or UL-Lafayette are acceptable to Cajun sensabilities (just not the deaded ULL). So the pc crowd on this board should go with either Louisiana-Lafayette or UL-Lafayette (maybe even Louisiana@Lafayette) but not ULL (so as to avoid upsetting the Cajuns) or UL or Louisiana (so as to avoid upsetting the War Hawks). See, thats not so hard.

Mr Walker is the play-by-play guy, he has to be civil about it. Games notes and media guide print the university's request. You might try reading it.

I respect the request by Cajun fans and refer to them as Louisiana, happy to do it. that being said, not everyone is willing to do that. It is a losing battle for those on here who harp on the issue relentlessly. In fact, some people have used the issue to dig at certain Cajun fans on here because of the overraction that is so commonly seen.

if you do not like someone refering to your University by a name you don't like (yet is still legally accepted) there is little to nothing you can do about it on an internet message board. That's just a sad reality.

I do however want to encourage everyone to call them "Louisiana." not necessarily for their fans who ask us to, but because it makes the Conference look better to have more marketable names like that. ULL, UL-Lafayette, etc...do not sound as marketable and respectable as "Lousiana." it makes sense.

(11-14-2011 08:26 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I respect the request by Cajun fans and refer to them as Louisiana, happy to do it. that being said, not everyone is willing to do that. It is a losing battle for those on here who harp on the issue relentlessly. In fact, some people have used the issue to dig at certain Cajun fans on here because of the overraction that is so commonly seen.

if you do not like someone refering to your University by a name you don't like (yet is still legally accepted) there is little to nothing you can do about it on an internet message board. That's just a sad reality.

I do however want to encourage everyone to call them "Louisiana." not necessarily for their fans who ask us to, but because it makes the Conference look better to have more marketable names like that. ULL, UL-Lafayette, etc...do not sound as marketable and respectable as "Lousiana." it makes sense.

I just call em Cajun's now.

(11-14-2011 08:26 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I respect the request by Cajun fans and refer to them as Louisiana, happy to do it. that being said, not everyone is willing to do that. It is a losing battle for those on here who harp on the issue relentlessly. In fact, some people have used the issue to dig at certain Cajun fans on here because of the overraction that is so commonly seen.

if you do not like someone refering to your University by a name you don't like (yet is still legally accepted) there is little to nothing you can do about it on an internet message board. That's just a sad reality.

I do however want to encourage everyone to call them "Louisiana." not necessarily for their fans who ask us to, but because it makes the Conference look better to have more marketable names like that. ULL, UL-Lafayette, etc...do not sound as marketable and respectable as "Lousiana." it makes sense.

There is no law saying they have to, but they have been educated in UL's request and at that point it's about disrespect period. There have been a number of schools in the Sun Belt that have changed their names, it really shouldn't be such an issue for those schools or their fans. And before someone brings up ULM, remember they have requested that you call them "ULM" and not Louisiana-Monroe. If we stick to the facts and leave the insults out, it really comes down to respecting someone's request. It that simple!

I agree and respect the request. That doesnt mean I have to do so, but I do nontheless. Still, for those who wont, whining and fussing about it does nothing for your cause. It just doesnt. All that method has done is annoy people and caused further friction and probably an escalation in the picking by those who want to get yall mad.