Knightlight, it was one tutor a fellow athlete, not "regular employee(s)"that was the tutor, no one else was involved in it. The NCAA didn't even come here, as we found it ourselves. We reported it to the NCAA and to the actions ourselves, heck the NCAA lowered our self imposed probation from 2 years to 1. As for the letter of reprimand and censure are standard with any and all NCAA violation.

(05-20-2011 07:15 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  The NCAA didn't even come here, as we found it ourselves. We reported it to the NCAA...

That sounds very familiar (i.e. when UCF self-reported violations a few years ago of extra phone-calls and text messages made by 2 supporting UCF Football staff members/non-coaches).

I'm glad that there are a few reasonable fans (like you) that note self-reported violations as some in the past seem to ignore that part.

(05-20-2011 06:55 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  The major problem the NCAA had was that the tutor who helped them cheat were placed there by the Athletic Dept...so thats where a conflict of interest lies (helping keep some of your athletes eligible, using your paid employee(s) to help them cheat).

It probably would have been different and even a non-NCAA issue (just an ECU academic issue) if these kids were just caught buying term papers over the internet without any help from their Athletic Dept tutors.

I had not heard this nasty little tidbit. That's actually pretty messed up. Still don't know why the NCAA would put ECU football and basketball on probation though..

Quote:Still don't know why the NCAA would put ECU football and basketball on probation though.

They're showing North Carolina they mean business.

I'm only halfway kidding. They have an image problem and they are not willing/able to enforce the rules against cash cow programs. ECU is not the last program that's going to pay for Jim Tressel's crimes. UCF doesn't need to be cackling. You're next.

Quote:As Nixon and the University of Alabama-Tuscaloosa have taught us, it ain't the crime. It's the cover up.

I think a lot of us missed the sea change a few months ago (I know I did at the time): when the NCAA allowed Ohio State to play its stars in the Sugar Bowl for the sake of TV money, it went from enforcer to co-conspirator. That was a major shift in philosophy, and now we're seeing it in practice.

Prior to that shift, you were right, Brother Smaug. We have two BCS programs *lying* to the NCAA (Tennessee directly, Ohio State supposedly indirectly), violating the trust that is the very basic tenet of any relationship, and they are still allowed to play competitive sports against other NCAA members.

(05-20-2011 08:01 AM)58-56 Wrote:  

Quote:Still don't know why the NCAA would put ECU football and basketball on probation though.

They're showing North Carolina they mean business.

I'm only halfway kidding. They have an image problem and they are not willing/able to enforce the rules against cash cow programs. ECU is not the last program that's going to pay for Jim Tressel's crimes. UCF doesn't need to be cackling. You're next.

Quote:As Nixon and the University of Alabama-Tuscaloosa have taught us, it ain't the crime. It's the cover up.

I think a lot of us missed the sea change a few months ago (I know I did at the time): when the NCAA allowed Ohio State to play its stars in the Sugar Bowl for the sake of TV money, it went from enforcer to co-conspirator. That was a major shift in philosophy, and now we're seeing it in practice.

Prior to that shift, you were right, Brother Smaug. We have two BCS programs *lying* to the NCAA (Tennessee directly, Ohio State supposedly indirectly), violating the trust that is the very basic tenet of any relationship, and they are still allowed to play competitive sports against other NCAA members.

Excellent point.

I wonder if the sea change didn't find its origins in Smoo's death penalty. The attitude being, "Holy crap! We can't go around killing our golden geese!"

I am very proud of how ECU handled this situation. We took care of it as soon as it happened, swiftly and justly. We alerted the NCAA. We imposed a 2 year probation on ourselves. The NCAA felt that was too harsh, and lessened it to 1 year.

Non-story.

(05-20-2011 12:06 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(05-19-2011 11:41 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  

(05-19-2011 10:29 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(05-19-2011 10:24 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Not exactly expansion related. I doubt this will have any impact on ECU's prospects.

Atleast the baseball team didn't go to the CWS and have to give up a banner.

Damn. Someone just got real.

You know, if y'all would just put TOGC on ignore, you wouldn't feel the need to take retaliatory shots at Memphis and raise my blood pressure....just sayin'.....

No Bull, Knightlight put it in his word which make it look like the athletic department did something wrong, which the didn't. The NCAA actually praised us for our swift reaction. The reason the entire program is on probation is that the actual cheating happened on campus at Joyner Libary. We have made changes, student athletes can no longer be tutors and the oversite is now fully under the academic side. Students cheat at every school, these just happened to scholarship athletes that did it and got cought, which is really stupid when they were smart students that just got lazy about doing their work.

Transitt, if I were taking direct aim at Memphis, I would have said: atleast our bb program didn't go to the final four and have to take down a banner. That's why I changed it to baseball and the CWS. I wasn't aiming at Memphis, just TOGC. Got no issue with Memphis posters here, except one. When he attacks or pulls mess like this, I will defend ECU. I'm not going to let him slander ECU unchecked.

(05-20-2011 10:26 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  No Bull, Knightlight put it in his word which make it look like the athletic department did something wrong, which the didn't. The NCAA actually praised us for our swift reaction. The reason the entire program is on probation is that the actual cheating happened on campus at Joyner Libary. We have made changes, student athletes can no longer be tutors and the oversite is now fully under the academic side. Students cheat at every school, these just happened to scholarship athletes that did it and got cought, which is really stupid when they were smart students that just got lazy about doing their work.

Slightly disagree...as many athletes at various schools from around the country get expelled for cheating but the Athletic Dept Programs do NOT go on NCAA probation.

As per the NCAA press release on ECU's penalty, this is what they said:

The committee noted that while this case was unique in that it involved unethical conduct charges for five individuals without any additional institutional allegations, the university bears responsibility for the actions of its employed tutor.

ECU went on probation because (even ECU agreed with this) that the cheating came from and seemingly with the approval of someone working in the ECU Athletic Dept Tutorial Staff (obviously bad judgement by the person)...and that's why the NCAA put ECU on probation.

2-3 years ago, UCF dismissed a starting basketball player because he was caught cheating (breaking UCF's general student code of conduct) and was kicked out of the program.

UCF did not go on probation (like ECU) because the violations did not occur with an Athletic Dept staff member (like in ECU's case).

Hope that clarifies the above...(i.e. not all cheating/code of conduct violations are deemed to be a NCAA PROGRAM violations).

Here's the NCAA 11 page infraction report on ECU:

EAST CAROLINA UNIVERSITY
PUBLIC INFRACTIONS REPORT
May 19, 2011
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/271f...ac20c3c72c

(05-20-2011 10:32 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 10:26 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  No Bull, Knightlight put it in his word which make it look like the athletic department did something wrong, which the didn't. The NCAA actually praised us for our swift reaction. The reason the entire program is on probation is that the actual cheating happened on campus at Joyner Libary. We have made changes, student athletes can no longer be tutors and the oversite is now fully under the academic side. Students cheat at every school, these just happened to scholarship athletes that did it and got cought, which is really stupid when they were smart students that just got lazy about doing their work.

Slightly disagree...as many athletes at various schools from around the country get expelled for cheating but the Athletic Dept Programs do NOT go on NCAA probation.

ECU went on probation because (even ECU agreed with this) that the cheating came from and seemingly with the approval of someone working in the ECU Athletic Dept Tutorial Staff (obviously bad judgement by the person)...and that's why the NCAA put ECU on probation.

2-3 years ago, UCF dismissed a starting basketball player because he was caught cheating (breaking UCF's general student code of conduct) and was kicked out of the program.

UCF did not go on probation (like ECU) because the violations did not occur with an Athletic Dept staff member (like in ECU's case).

Hope that clarifies the above...(i.e. not all cheating/code of conduct violations are deemed to be a NCAA PROGRAM violations).

The difference between the UCF situation and the ECU situation appears to be that this was more than 1 person involved. In fact, it would seem almost organized with 4 people from the baseball team getting papers.

Either way it has been dealt with and unless there are more findings in the UNC case, I don't see any additional problems for ECU.

(05-20-2011 10:36 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The difference between the UCF situation and the ECU situation appears to be that this was more than 1 person involved. In fact, it would seem almost organized with 4 people from the baseball team getting papers.

Either way it has been dealt with and unless there are more findings in the UNC case, I don't see any additional problems for ECU.

Wrong.

I went back an edited my previous statements with exactly what the NCAA noted in their own press release and 11 page infraction report.

The committee noted that while this case was unique in that it involved unethical conduct charges for five individuals without any additional institutional allegations, the university bears responsibility for the actions of its employed tutor.

11 page infraction report:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/271f...ac20c3c72c


NCAA press release which notes the statement above:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/ncaa...s+template

Kinightlight and other UCF poster, I didn't go shot my mouth off over the rumors around UCF, because I knew that the offical report from the NCAA on ECU's baseball and tennis had not come out yet. That's why you keep your mouth shut on things like this, because you never know when you might have to put your foot in your mouth. UCF sent Text messages to some recuits, wow, SMU just self reported the same thing, ECU had some kids get lazy and got cought not doing their own class work. None of these violation are as bad as what thebig boys have cought doing, from USC to UNC to OSU, people where lying, cheating, taking money and gifts. ECU/UCF/SMU all found their violations on their own and self reported, actually all of us did it right.

(05-20-2011 10:44 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Kinightlight and other UCF poster, I didn't go shot my mouth off over the rumors around UCF, because I knew that the offical report from the NCAA on ECU's baseball and tennis had not come out yet.

Don't think I ever made that specific claim that you did....glad you were one of the brighter ones....as obviously scores of ECU fans on all boards didn't have your control and/or lacked your insight.

(05-20-2011 10:39 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-20-2011 10:36 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The difference between the UCF situation and the ECU situation appears to be that this was more than 1 person involved. In fact, it would seem almost organized with 4 people from the baseball team getting papers.

Either way it has been dealt with and unless there are more findings in the UNC case, I don't see any additional problems for ECU.

Wrong.

I went back an edited my previous statements with exactly what the NCAA noted in their own press release and 11 page infraction report.

The committee noted that while this case was unique in that it involved unethical conduct charges for five individuals without any additional institutional allegations, the university bears responsibility for the actions of its employed tutor.

11 page infraction report:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/271f...ac20c3c72c


NCAA press release which notes the statement above:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/ncaa...s+template

I'm not really disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that there is a difference between what happened at UCF and ECU. I think we are pretty much on the same page.

(05-20-2011 10:32 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Transitt, if I were taking direct aim at Memphis, I would have said: atleast our bb program didn't go to the final four

and I would have responded, "Well, DUH!"



Sorry, kidding, it was just too easy NOT to do that!

Well, I do go to the friends of ECU baseball meetings and knew this was coming. No you never said I did, I was only I didn't and why. Your probation hasn't effected your chances at being add to the BE, nore should it, niether should this effect ECU. But, this is the Internet and people will use anything to get an upper hand, even though what it is said here has no effect on the real world. It just get old after awhile.

Oh look, another schlong measuring contest between ECU and UCF; and there are even some UM fans in it. Your program is dirtier than mine.

(05-20-2011 11:02 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Oh look, another schlong measuring contest between ECU and UCF; and there are even some UM fans in it. Your program is dirtier than mine.

Oh no, I admit...our program has been dirtier...hence the success in basketball. NO SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM IS CLEAN. I can guarandamntee that!

(05-20-2011 10:32 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Transitt, if I were taking direct aim at Memphis, I would have said: atleast our bb program didn't go to the final four and have to take down a banner. That's why I changed it to baseball and the CWS. I wasn't aiming at Memphis, just TOGC. Got no issue with Memphis posters here, except one. When he attacks or pulls mess like this, I will defend ECU. I'm not going to let him slander ECU unchecked.

Considering you suck at everything, no one cares what you think punk.