The NCAA could start by taking its balls out of its purse by hammering both Ohio St and UNC. The Tarholes in particular have basically given the NCAA the middle finger by not even imposing penalties on themselves the only thing they did was fire their DC and lead recruiter who was nicknamed Black Santa and had ties to a agent. Fired him and paid him the remainder of his salary by the way as a little hush money on his way out the door but if you want a clear case of lack of institutional control it would be Ohio St. and UNC. Both marquee names that the NCAA has in the past seemed to have a hands off policy or a smack on the wrist penalty program for. If the NCAA wants to put their money where their mouth is then I say go for it. Hammer Ohio St. and UNC and put the fear of God in a few other programs to make the same mistake.

(05-11-2011 06:24 AM)3rdandBlunder Wrote:  This whole idea of Louisville sicking the dogs on UCF is a joke. It was a Louisville coach that was vocally supportive of UCF getting into the Big East, and these jokers want to keep coming around and blaming all their problems on Louisville. Just saying, it's gotten old and every time something comes up about UCF's problems it seems like UCF fans come crawling out of the woodwork to blame Louisville and say how they're still innocent.

Or it could be that the exact same two writers who put out a hit piece about Louisville's biggest rival, Kentuky, myseriously teamed up again to put out a hit piece about UCF. Both reporters have ties to Pitino, and the stories were promptly posted after Louisville lost a recruit to UCF. One of those reporters actually called the recruit and made allegations he can not prove. That reporter got that athlete to change his commitment, that athlete will now be vistiting Louisville. Oh and the articles are slanderous and largely based on hearsay. Yup, seems on the up and up to me.

(05-11-2011 06:57 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  

(05-11-2011 06:24 AM)3rdandBlunder Wrote:  This whole idea of Louisville sicking the dogs on UCF is a joke. It was a Louisville coach that was vocally supportive of UCF getting into the Big East, and these jokers want to keep coming around and blaming all their problems on Louisville. Just saying, it's gotten old and every time something comes up about UCF's problems it seems like UCF fans come crawling out of the woodwork to blame Louisville and say how they're still innocent.

Or it could be that the exact same two writers who put out a hit piece about Louisville's biggest rival, Kentuky, myseriously teamed up again to put out a hit piece about UCF. Both reporters have ties to Pitino, and the stories were promptly posted after Louisville lost a recruit to UCF. One of those reporters actually called the recruit and made allegations he can not prove. That reporter got that athlete to change his commitment, that athlete will now be vistiting Louisville. Oh and the articles are slanderous and largely based on hearsay. Yup, seems on the up and up to me.

People really need to quit assuming that Louisville is the main culprit here.

@Neue... miko was totally being sarcastic, too bad you didn't catch his sarcasm.

(05-11-2011 07:26 AM)animus Wrote:  People really need to quit assuming that Louisville is the main culprit here.

You're right... UCF fans are only pointing out that UofL had the motive (losing recruits), means (pitino media connections), opportunity (a felon, talking up UCF to recruits, it writes itself without any more facts), and MO (Kentucky hit piece).

That's not how real investigation to determine suspects work, this is all just make believe and paranoia.

(05-10-2011 08:50 PM)animus Wrote:  

(05-10-2011 08:45 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  That could be true animus. Also, saying Ohio State won't be punished and the "little guy" will, it's not like the NCAA doesn't have a history of punishing the "big boys." Go talk to Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio State basketball, USC, etc. It's easy to try to transfer blame to Ohio State but the bottomline is that all of those programs may have broke the rules and need to be punished. People are trying to use Ohio State's wrongdoing as a well to get sympathy on themselves even though they likely broke the rules as well.

Totally agree

Breaking the rules and getting away with it is how those programs became the programs they are today. What makes anyone think that will change? They set this system up...

(05-10-2011 08:15 PM)animus Wrote:  

(05-10-2011 07:50 PM)Neue Regel Wrote:  http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/6522478

This will go in effect after Ohio State gets their hand slapped. Then it will be UCF and Boise State's turn.

Not too sure about that. I'm hearing so much out of Jeannette PA its not even funny. We haven't hit the tip of the iceberg on Ohio State.

If this is just the tip then the ncaa can show they mean business and hit them with the death penalty. That will show everyone to respect their rules.

(05-11-2011 08:41 AM)Marksonar85 Wrote:  If this is just the tip then the ncaa can show they mean business and hit them with the death penalty. That will show everyone to respect their rules.

That was a good one... the death penalty punchline... perfection

(05-11-2011 08:53 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(05-11-2011 08:41 AM)Marksonar85 Wrote:  If this is just the tip then the ncaa can show they mean business and hit them with the death penalty. That will show everyone to respect their rules.

That was a good one... the death penalty punchline... perfection

Glad somebody can take a joke. Lol

(05-11-2011 07:26 AM)animus Wrote:  People really need to quit assuming that Louisville is the main culprit here.

@Neue... miko was totally being sarcastic, too bad you didn't catch his sarcasm.

I agree about Louisville. I disagree about you thinking miko isn't trying to start a riot. But I was impressed he didn't bring up academics for a change.

(05-11-2011 09:14 AM)Neue Regel Wrote:  

(05-11-2011 07:26 AM)animus Wrote:  People really need to quit assuming that Louisville is the main culprit here.

@Neue... miko was totally being sarcastic, too bad you didn't catch his sarcasm.

I agree about Louisville. I disagree about you thinking miko isn't trying to start a riot. But I was impressed he didn't bring up academics for a change.

Thanks for the backhanded compliment. When you are not obsessed with talking about the reproductive decisions of a poster's parents or throwing insults at posters, schools and conferences, you can bring up some good points.

This is worth reading re:timelines

NCAA Provides Insight Into Probes

(05-10-2011 08:36 PM)animus Wrote:  I really think that all of this has destroyed UCF's chances into the Big East and that is punishment enough IMO.

Concur

(05-11-2011 09:35 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-11-2011 09:14 AM)Neue Regel Wrote:  

(05-11-2011 07:26 AM)animus Wrote:  People really need to quit assuming that Louisville is the main culprit here.

@Neue... miko was totally being sarcastic, too bad you didn't catch his sarcasm.

I agree about Louisville. I disagree about you thinking miko isn't trying to start a riot. But I was impressed he didn't bring up academics for a change.

Thanks for the backhanded compliment. When you are not obsessed with talking about the reproductive decisions of a poster's parents or throwing insults at posters, schools and conferences, you can bring up some good points.

(05-11-2011 08:04 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(05-11-2011 07:26 AM)animus Wrote:  People really need to quit assuming that Louisville is the main culprit here.

You're right... UCF fans are only pointing out that UofL had the motive (losing recruits), means (pitino media connections), opportunity (a felon, talking up UCF to recruits, it writes itself without any more facts), and MO (Kentucky hit piece).

That's not how real investigation to determine suspects work, this is all just make believe and paranoia.

At least the blame has shifted (partially) from USF.
Or... is this really just part of the "USF blocking UCF from the Big East" conspiracy?

USF was able to obtain the writers to make a hit piece on UCF while making the trail point to Louisville.

Anytime you try to do the NCAAs job they will reward you with more punishment. Kida like correcting your parents but not matter what they are always right.

(05-10-2011 09:30 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(05-10-2011 08:36 PM)animus Wrote:  I really think that all of this has destroyed UCF's chances into the Big East and that is punishment enough IMO.

Do you really think so...Hardly seems fair at this point especially since no wrong doing has been proven at this time. While I have a hard time feeling bad UCF I try to think about it from the stand point of "what if it was ECU". That is the main problem with the press putting out stories like the ones on UCF. Even if it turns out to be a bunch of BS their reputation will still be tarnished because so many people have already formed an opinion about UCF over this deal when a NCAA investigation and report has not even been started...

This. We already lost a top 100 recruit by a reporter lying to him and claiming we were under investigation when, as of 5:30 yesterday afternoon, we were not. I'm not convinced this, even if we are found guilty, will cost us our Big East membership. Worst case, it might delay it but I'm still of the mindset that it's money driving this expansion and if that's the case, UCF isn't going to be denied due to some minor (could be described as Major by the NCAA but not OSU-esque) violations. Just my opinion of course.

And UCF fans, please shut the hell up about the whole UoL connection. Wait until we're found innocent before we start pointing fingers. Sure, it looks sketchy (that's indisputable IMO), but if we in fact committed the infractions it doesn't matter. If we come out cleaner than a nuns @ss, then we can start looking into that more, but right now commenting on it makes us no better than the select few UoL posters who have made wild, unsubstantiated claims (not those questioning the things brought up in articles, the ones claiming we're offering houses to recruits and the like).

FIFY. I stand corrected if I've missed an announcement by UCF stating they have not received a Letter of Inquiry.

(05-11-2011 12:50 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  We already lost a top 100 recruit by a reporter lying to him and claiming we were under investigation when, as of 5:30 yesterday afternoon, no one definitively knows if UCF is or is not.

Well, I have worked as an internal auditor and compliance officer in banking. I know for a fact that we had usually started to investigate employees and/or departments long before, we sent the investigation letter. The investigation letter was sent after we very sure that we could prove the charges. When we knew they were doing it, but could not prove it we used the informal contact path. This is what is happening woth UCF. The NCAA is still digging.

(05-11-2011 01:44 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Well, I have worked as an internal auditor and compliance officer in banking. I know for a fact that we had usually started to investigate employees and/or departments long before, we sent the investigation letter. The investigation letter was sent after we very sure that we could prove the charges. When we knew they were doing it, but could not prove it we used the informal contact path. This is what is happening woth UCF. The NCAA is still digging.

I'm also glad you seem to derive such great joy in UCF having some troubles (whether real or made up, still to be determined). I'm also glad you think your banking experience somehow applies to the NCAA.

But that's not how the NCAA works. According to the NCAA’s website:

"When the enforcement staff begins an investigation, they send a letter of inquiry to the president or chancellor. The purpose of this notice is to inform school leadership the enforcement staff will be investigating possible NCAA violations at their school. The alleged facts of the case are also presented and other details are provided including an approximate time frame of the investigation."

NCAA Enforcement Website

As of right now the NCAA has sent no letter of inquiry to UCF, so no NCAA investigation is currently taking place.
UCF is investigating the allegations made to see if there was any wrong-doing.
Those are the only facts that can be confirmed at this point.

BTW, for all those trying to turn this into another UCF thread, please review the sticky thread at the top of this forum from the moderator:
"No more UCF Investigation threads
Post them on the CUSA board or BE Smack board. Thx."