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RE: Does ULM belong in FBS football?
(04-27-2011 10:31 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  [quote='arkstfan' pid='6472524' dateline='1303917610']
Here is a break down of Sun Belt schools and the reasonably mentioned names for expansion and their state finance risk.
http://www.arkst.com/?p=1024

Wow. "ULM 39.81% 3.37%"

ULM receives only 3.37% of its funding through student fees and 39.81% directly from the state.

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Here is a breakdown in more easily understood terms. Without the state taxpayer suppliments UL Lafayette would be operating on a $5,756,000 operating budget, UL Monroe would show $6,473,000 and La Tech would come in at $7,909,000. UL Monroe is ahead of ULL and arent too far behind La Tech who leads mostly because of the significantly higher conference distribution from the WAC (an amount which will be extinct once the dust settles Boise, Nevada, Fresno, and Hawaii moving on).
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(04-27-2011 03:26 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 03:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Almost agree. I'm not worried if WKU finishes last in a sport or two. If USA finishes in the bottom third in five sports that doesn't worry me if five other sports are in the top third, and another five are in the middle third. I am concerned when being in the top third is unusual for a program.
Unless it is ASU, I'm not interested in who wins the women's tennis title and couldn't tell you even though I think I saw the release the other day. I don't care who wins the Bubas Cup but I do look at who the bottom schools are in the standings because not winning across a large number of sports is a concern about the health of the overall program.

Here we differ a bit. If you're not a drag on the conference in Football + Basketball (M's and W's) + Baseball; then I could care less how you do in the other 10-12 (esp. since 1/2 of those are some type of track and field sport; which I really don't see the point of...but apparently somebody does).

Unless you are in the top third in either football or men's basketball on a fairly regular basis or at least going above .500 in league play fairly regularly (where the money is, women's basketball and baseball are bragging right events) then you probably need to be competitive in the other sports to show that you aren't a lost cause.

I figure if you have shown you can be competitive across a range of sports that sooner or later you'll get it put together in the money sports but if you stink in the spotlight sports and stink at all but the random sport now and then chances are you've got a program that is broken and you don't know how to fix it or you happen to have a set of circumstances that mean you aren't ever going to be any good in this alignment.

As I said, I don't care who wins women's tennis (unless its ASU) so I don't pay much attention to other sports. For example UNT has royally stunk in football of late as has WKU. Looking at the whole picture of their program, the chances that they are capable of fixing their football woes are pretty good because they've shown they can run an overall program.
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(04-27-2011 04:53 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 10:31 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  [quote='arkstfan' pid='6472524' dateline='1303917610']
Here is a break down of Sun Belt schools and the reasonably mentioned names for expansion and their state finance risk.
http://www.arkst.com/?p=1024

Wow. "ULM 39.81% 3.37%"

ULM receives only 3.37% of its funding through student fees and 39.81% directly from the state.

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Here is a breakdown in more easily understood terms. Without the state taxpayer suppliments UL Lafayette would be operating on a $5,756,000 operating budget, UL Monroe would show $6,473,000 and La Tech would come in at $7,909,000. UL Monroe is ahead of ULL and arent too far behind La Tech who leads mostly because of the significantly higher conference distribution from the WAC (an amount which will be extinct once the dust settles Boise, Nevada, Fresno, and Hawaii moving on).

Give it a rest, eager. Your numbers have been discredited more often than lsu&a&mc@br fans have acted like morons.
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(04-27-2011 02:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  ULM belongs in the Belt as long as they choose to be here. ULM football always finishes in the top 4 in conference. I find it funny that a UNT fan who's football team that finishes at the bottom of the conference is even asking this question. How bout UNT do something to help the conference before bashing one of its members.

Wow! UNT pays its coaches top dollar!
Wow! UNT has a large athletic budget!
Wow! UNT has a new statdium!
Wow! UNT finished at the bottom of the conference again!

How's that UNT baseball team doing?

Well I support ULM in the Belt and am an UNT fan. Now, back to your stupid post. I also have nothing against ASU but your points are way off target. Number 1, there are more sports in the conference than football. Number 2 I fail to see what paying coaches has to do with anything, especially since those coaches for the most part have not coached in a Belt game yet. If you are referring to men's bb then the coaches have been doing fine. Number 3 the stadium has not even been finished. Number 4 You might want to check out last season standings again. I have a bad memory but I don't remember ASU being all that dominent either. Number 5. NT doesn't have baseball and several other sports that are conference sponcered, neither does ASU field teams in all sports and according to the all sports competition NT is always in the top 3 or 4. Baseball will be added at NT when is ASU adding swimming?

Why not put this in your to do file. Wait a couple of years and re post this swill if the new stadium and higher coaches salaries have not significantly elevated the NT program.
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(04-27-2011 04:53 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 10:31 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  [quote='arkstfan' pid='6472524' dateline='1303917610']
Here is a break down of Sun Belt schools and the reasonably mentioned names for expansion and their state finance risk.
http://www.arkst.com/?p=1024

Wow. "ULM 39.81% 3.37%"

ULM receives only 3.37% of its funding through student fees and 39.81% directly from the state.

Thanks for the information--------------------------------------
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Here is a breakdown in more easily understood terms. Without the state taxpayer suppliments UL Lafayette would be operating on a $5,756,000 operating budget, UL Monroe would show $6,473,000 and La Tech would come in at $7,909,000. UL Monroe is ahead of ULL and arent too far behind La Tech who leads mostly because of the significantly higher conference distribution from the WAC (an amount which will be extinct once the dust settles Boise, Nevada, Fresno, and Hawaii moving on).

All UL-System Schools can receive up to a maximum of 4% of their overall university budget towards athletics. So you are full of crap son, we are not getting $7,000,000 from the state. In fact, UL and ULM have not taken the total 4% from the state that can be used for athletics. Once again, you either don't understand what you are reading or you're just another local villiage idot.
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(04-27-2011 05:30 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 02:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  ULM belongs in the Belt as long as they choose to be here. ULM football always finishes in the top 4 in conference. I find it funny that a UNT fan who's football team that finishes at the bottom of the conference is even asking this question. How bout UNT do something to help the conference before bashing one of its members.

Wow! UNT pays its coaches top dollar!
Wow! UNT has a large athletic budget!
Wow! UNT has a new statdium!
Wow! UNT finished at the bottom of the conference again!

How's that UNT baseball team doing?

Well I support ULM in the Belt and am an UNT fan. Now, back to your stupid post. I also have nothing against ASU but your points are way off target. Number 1, there are more sports in the conference than football. Number 2 I fail to see what paying coaches has to do with anything, especially since those coaches for the most part have not coached in a Belt game yet. If you are referring to men's bb then the coaches have been doing fine. Number 3 the stadium has not even been finished. Number 4 You might want to check out last season standings again. I have a bad memory but I don't remember ASU being all that dominent either. Number 5. NT doesn't have baseball and several other sports that are conference sponcered, neither does ASU field teams in all sports and according to the all sports competition NT is always in the top 3 or 4. Baseball will be added at NT when is ASU adding swimming?

Why not put this in your to do file. Wait a couple of years and re post this swill if the new stadium and higher coaches salaries have not significantly elevated the NT program.

FWIW-WKU is the only member to sponsor all sports.

In regards to your post specifically, I wouldn't equate baseball and swimming personally. So long as both schools are comfortably over the minimum(both ASU and UNT are) I think you can stop looking at sports not sponsored as being equal. If we had a member that sponsored every sport but football, would you equate them adding football to ASU adding swimming?

Baseball is probably a second tier sport, but swimming is much further down the line. Outside of people who have some connection to the sport in general or the team specifically, I doubt you'll find too many fans at any school in the country that would pick a swimming team over a baseball team.

Lastly ASU is usually in the top 4 for the Bubas cup just like UNT, unlike UNT, ASU has actually won it before...03-shhhh
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(04-27-2011 06:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 05:30 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 02:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  ULM belongs in the Belt as long as they choose to be here. ULM football always finishes in the top 4 in conference. I find it funny that a UNT fan who's football team that finishes at the bottom of the conference is even asking this question. How bout UNT do something to help the conference before bashing one of its members.

Wow! UNT pays its coaches top dollar!
Wow! UNT has a large athletic budget!
Wow! UNT has a new statdium!
Wow! UNT finished at the bottom of the conference again!

How's that UNT baseball team doing?

Well I support ULM in the Belt and am an UNT fan. Now, back to your stupid post. I also have nothing against ASU but your points are way off target. Number 1, there are more sports in the conference than football. Number 2 I fail to see what paying coaches has to do with anything, especially since those coaches for the most part have not coached in a Belt game yet. If you are referring to men's bb then the coaches have been doing fine. Number 3 the stadium has not even been finished. Number 4 You might want to check out last season standings again. I have a bad memory but I don't remember ASU being all that dominent either. Number 5. NT doesn't have baseball and several other sports that are conference sponcered, neither does ASU field teams in all sports and according to the all sports competition NT is always in the top 3 or 4. Baseball will be added at NT when is ASU adding swimming?

Why not put this in your to do file. Wait a couple of years and re post this swill if the new stadium and higher coaches salaries have not significantly elevated the NT program.

FWIW-WKU is the only member to sponsor all sports.

In regards to your post specifically, I wouldn't equate baseball and swimming personally. So long as both schools are comfortably over the minimum(both ASU and UNT are) I think you can stop looking at sports not sponsored as being equal. If we had a member that sponsored every sport but football, would you equate them adding football to ASU adding swimming?

Baseball is probably a second tier sport, but swimming is much further down the line. Outside of people who have some connection to the sport in general or the team specifically, I doubt you'll find too many fans at any school in the country that would pick a swimming team over a baseball team.

Lastly ASU is usually in the top 4 for the Bubas cup just like UNT, unlike UNT, ASU has actually won it before...03-shhhh

I'll bite, when ? Was this before 2001 ?
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Wow. "ULM 39.81% 3.37%"

ULM receives only 3.37% of its funding through student fees and 39.81% directly from the state.

Thanks for the information--------------------------------------
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Here is a breakdown in more easily understood terms. Without the state taxpayer suppliments UL Lafayette would be operating on a $5,756,000 operating budget, UL Monroe would show $6,473,000 and La Tech would come in at $7,909,000. UL Monroe is ahead of ULL and arent too far behind La Tech who leads mostly because of the significantly higher conference distribution from the WAC (an amount which will be extinct once the dust settles Boise, Nevada, Fresno, and Hawaii moving on).
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Give it a rest, eager. Your numbers have been discredited more often than lsu&a&mc@br fans have acted like morons.
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Those arent my numbers man, they came from the Louisiana Legislative Auditors office. Their information came from figures reported by the schools themselves so if it isnt correct then YOUR school is the one that is discredited.
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Here is a breakdown in more easily understood terms. Without the state taxpayer suppliments UL Lafayette would be operating on a $5,756,000 operating budget, UL Monroe would show $6,473,000 and La Tech would come in at $7,909,000. UL Monroe is ahead of ULL and arent too far behind La Tech who leads mostly because of the significantly higher conference distribution from the WAC (an amount which will be extinct once the dust settles Boise, Nevada, Fresno, and Hawaii moving on).
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All UL-System Schools can receive up to a maximum of 4% of their overall university budget towards athletics. So you are full of crap son, we are not getting $7,000,000 from the state. In fact, UL and ULM have not taken the total 4% from the state that can be used for athletics. Once again, you either don't understand what you are reading or you're just another local villiage idot.
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You are absolutely correct in that ULL does not get $7,000,000 from the state. The Louisiana Legislative Auditors office said you only took $6,524,028. I did not quote a figure other than what revenue or budget ULL would have had if they DID NOT take money from the taxpayers. You are also incorrect in that UL system schools can receive up to 4% of their overall university budget toward athletics. They can receive up to the entire cost of tuition, board, etc for their athletes PLUS 3% of their overall operating budget. Tell me what I am misreading that makes me just another local village idiot.
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(04-27-2011 06:23 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 06:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 05:30 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 02:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  ULM belongs in the Belt as long as they choose to be here. ULM football always finishes in the top 4 in conference. I find it funny that a UNT fan who's football team that finishes at the bottom of the conference is even asking this question. How bout UNT do something to help the conference before bashing one of its members.

Wow! UNT pays its coaches top dollar!
Wow! UNT has a large athletic budget!
Wow! UNT has a new statdium!
Wow! UNT finished at the bottom of the conference again!

How's that UNT baseball team doing?

Well I support ULM in the Belt and am an UNT fan. Now, back to your stupid post. I also have nothing against ASU but your points are way off target. Number 1, there are more sports in the conference than football. Number 2 I fail to see what paying coaches has to do with anything, especially since those coaches for the most part have not coached in a Belt game yet. If you are referring to men's bb then the coaches have been doing fine. Number 3 the stadium has not even been finished. Number 4 You might want to check out last season standings again. I have a bad memory but I don't remember ASU being all that dominent either. Number 5. NT doesn't have baseball and several other sports that are conference sponcered, neither does ASU field teams in all sports and according to the all sports competition NT is always in the top 3 or 4. Baseball will be added at NT when is ASU adding swimming?

Why not put this in your to do file. Wait a couple of years and re post this swill if the new stadium and higher coaches salaries have not significantly elevated the NT program.

FWIW-WKU is the only member to sponsor all sports.

In regards to your post specifically, I wouldn't equate baseball and swimming personally. So long as both schools are comfortably over the minimum(both ASU and UNT are) I think you can stop looking at sports not sponsored as being equal. If we had a member that sponsored every sport but football, would you equate them adding football to ASU adding swimming?

Baseball is probably a second tier sport, but swimming is much further down the line. Outside of people who have some connection to the sport in general or the team specifically, I doubt you'll find too many fans at any school in the country that would pick a swimming team over a baseball team.

Lastly ASU is usually in the top 4 for the Bubas cup just like UNT, unlike UNT, ASU has actually won it before...03-shhhh

I'll bite, when ? Was this before 2001 ?

Well it would have had to have been, since 2001 only Middle and Western have won the trophy. Western four times and Middle is about to close out our seventh since 2001.

Arkansas State won it in 1995 and again in 1998, they're the only current member to have won the trophy other than MT, WKU, and South Alabama(10 wins between 1988 and 2000).
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Updated Bubas Cup Through Men's Golf:

1. MTSU - 110.5
2. UNT - 91
3. ASU - 87
4. WKU - 82.5
5. Denver - 80
6. FIU - 74.5
7. FAU - 63
8. ULL - 61.5
9. USA - 58.5
10. UALR - 57
11. Troy - 52.5
12. ULM - 47

Remaining: Softball, Mens and Women's Outdoor Track and Field, Baseball
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(04-27-2011 06:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 05:30 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 02:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  ULM belongs in the Belt as long as they choose to be here. ULM football always finishes in the top 4 in conference. I find it funny that a UNT fan who's football team that finishes at the bottom of the conference is even asking this question. How bout UNT do something to help the conference before bashing one of its members.

Wow! UNT pays its coaches top dollar!
Wow! UNT has a large athletic budget!
Wow! UNT has a new statdium!
Wow! UNT finished at the bottom of the conference again!

How's that UNT baseball team doing?

Well I support ULM in the Belt and am an UNT fan. Now, back to your stupid post. I also have nothing against ASU but your points are way off target. Number 1, there are more sports in the conference than football. Number 2 I fail to see what paying coaches has to do with anything, especially since those coaches for the most part have not coached in a Belt game yet. If you are referring to men's bb then the coaches have been doing fine. Number 3 the stadium has not even been finished. Number 4 You might want to check out last season standings again. I have a bad memory but I don't remember ASU being all that dominent either. Number 5. NT doesn't have baseball and several other sports that are conference sponcered, neither does ASU field teams in all sports and according to the all sports competition NT is always in the top 3 or 4. Baseball will be added at NT when is ASU adding swimming?

Why not put this in your to do file. Wait a couple of years and re post this swill if the new stadium and higher coaches salaries have not significantly elevated the NT program.

FWIW-WKU is the only member to sponsor all sports.

In regards to your post specifically, I wouldn't equate baseball and swimming personally. So long as both schools are comfortably over the minimum(both ASU and UNT are) I think you can stop looking at sports not sponsored as being equal. If we had a member that sponsored every sport but football, would you equate them adding football to ASU adding swimming?

Baseball is probably a second tier sport, but swimming is much further down the line. Outside of people who have some connection to the sport in general or the team specifically, I doubt you'll find too many fans at any school in the country that would pick a swimming team over a baseball team.

Lastly ASU is usually in the top 4 for the Bubas cup just like UNT, unlike UNT, ASU has actually won it before...03-shhhh

Well a response to the very minor points. No one stated baseball is on a par with swimming, just that most schools don't have every sport. I frankly don't care if NT ever has baseball but the AD has stated it will be added. As far as ASU winning the Bubas Cup over a decade ago, well congraduations.

This thread has gone far from the original topic of ULM in the Belt because a few have questioned the audacity of a fan of another school questioning ULM program. To make this point they have questioned the questioner's school program. Kind of strange logic.

I have always been a fan of ULM since those intense games back in the SLC. They have operated on a shoe string and have been competitive enough in the major sports. I am against anybody being ejected from the league including those that don't play major sports like UALR or I guess UNT who doesn't play baseball.

NT once dominated football in the league much more than anyone else but made a couple of bad coaching decisions, the hiring of Dodge and they waited too long to terminate Dickey who decided he was too good for the conference and Denton to try at NT. There is absolutely no doubt that the Dodge hire was a big risk and it backfired in monumental fashion. Pile on but those days are over, not that many apparently noticed but NT did improve last year despite having lost as many starters as just about anyone in NCAA history.

NT will do just fine, as I hope will ULM.
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(04-27-2011 06:40 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  Updated Bubas Cup Through Men's Golf:

1. MTSU - 110.5
2. UNT - 91
3. ASU - 87
4. WKU - 82.5
5. Denver - 80
6. FIU - 74.5
7. FAU - 63
8. ULL - 61.5
9. USA - 58.5
10. UALR - 57
11. Troy - 52.5
12. ULM - 47

Remaining: Softball, Mens and Women's Outdoor Track and Field, Baseball

Can't find anything online about the bubas cup. Do you have a link to these numbers?
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(04-27-2011 06:39 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 06:23 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 06:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 05:30 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 02:54 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  ULM belongs in the Belt as long as they choose to be here. ULM football always finishes in the top 4 in conference. I find it funny that a UNT fan who's football team that finishes at the bottom of the conference is even asking this question. How bout UNT do something to help the conference before bashing one of its members.

Wow! UNT pays its coaches top dollar!
Wow! UNT has a large athletic budget!
Wow! UNT has a new statdium!
Wow! UNT finished at the bottom of the conference again!

How's that UNT baseball team doing?

Well I support ULM in the Belt and am an UNT fan. Now, back to your stupid post. I also have nothing against ASU but your points are way off target. Number 1, there are more sports in the conference than football. Number 2 I fail to see what paying coaches has to do with anything, especially since those coaches for the most part have not coached in a Belt game yet. If you are referring to men's bb then the coaches have been doing fine. Number 3 the stadium has not even been finished. Number 4 You might want to check out last season standings again. I have a bad memory but I don't remember ASU being all that dominent either. Number 5. NT doesn't have baseball and several other sports that are conference sponcered, neither does ASU field teams in all sports and according to the all sports competition NT is always in the top 3 or 4. Baseball will be added at NT when is ASU adding swimming?

Why not put this in your to do file. Wait a couple of years and re post this swill if the new stadium and higher coaches salaries have not significantly elevated the NT program.

FWIW-WKU is the only member to sponsor all sports.

In regards to your post specifically, I wouldn't equate baseball and swimming personally. So long as both schools are comfortably over the minimum(both ASU and UNT are) I think you can stop looking at sports not sponsored as being equal. If we had a member that sponsored every sport but football, would you equate them adding football to ASU adding swimming?

Baseball is probably a second tier sport, but swimming is much further down the line. Outside of people who have some connection to the sport in general or the team specifically, I doubt you'll find too many fans at any school in the country that would pick a swimming team over a baseball team.

Lastly ASU is usually in the top 4 for the Bubas cup just like UNT, unlike UNT, ASU has actually won it before...03-shhhh

I'll bite, when ? Was this before 2001 ?

Well it would have had to have been, since 2001 only Middle and Western have won the trophy. Western four times and Middle is about to close out our seventh since 2001.

Arkansas State won it in 1995 and again in 1998, they're the only current member to have won the trophy other than MT, WKU, and South Alabama(10 wins between 1988 and 2000).

Those years are totally irrelevant to us as UNT wasn't even in the conference until 2001. Of course you knew that, but you just needed to make your point; correct ? You love 5 year stuff. Where has Arkansas State been in the final rankings for each of the past 5 years ?
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(04-27-2011 06:23 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
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(04-27-2011 05:30 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  Well I support ULM in the Belt and am an UNT fan. Now, back to your stupid post. I also have nothing against ASU but your points are way off target. Number 1, there are more sports in the conference than football. Number 2 I fail to see what paying coaches has to do with anything, especially since those coaches for the most part have not coached in a Belt game yet. If you are referring to men's bb then the coaches have been doing fine. Number 3 the stadium has not even been finished. Number 4 You might want to check out last season standings again. I have a bad memory but I don't remember ASU being all that dominent either. Number 5. NT doesn't have baseball and several other sports that are conference sponcered, neither does ASU field teams in all sports and according to the all sports competition NT is always in the top 3 or 4. Baseball will be added at NT when is ASU adding swimming?

Why not put this in your to do file. Wait a couple of years and re post this swill if the new stadium and higher coaches salaries have not significantly elevated the NT program.

FWIW-WKU is the only member to sponsor all sports.

In regards to your post specifically, I wouldn't equate baseball and swimming personally. So long as both schools are comfortably over the minimum(both ASU and UNT are) I think you can stop looking at sports not sponsored as being equal. If we had a member that sponsored every sport but football, would you equate them adding football to ASU adding swimming?

Baseball is probably a second tier sport, but swimming is much further down the line. Outside of people who have some connection to the sport in general or the team specifically, I doubt you'll find too many fans at any school in the country that would pick a swimming team over a baseball team.

Lastly ASU is usually in the top 4 for the Bubas cup just like UNT, unlike UNT, ASU has actually won it before...03-shhhh

I'll bite, when ? Was this before 2001 ?

Well it would have had to have been, since 2001 only Middle and Western have won the trophy. Western four times and Middle is about to close out our seventh since 2001.

Arkansas State won it in 1995 and again in 1998, they're the only current member to have won the trophy other than MT, WKU, and South Alabama(10 wins between 1988 and 2000).

Those years are totally irrelevant to us as UNT wasn't even in the conference until 2001. Of course you knew that, but you just needed to make your point; correct ? You love 5 year stuff. Where has Arkansas State been in the final rankings for each of the past 5 years ?

In the current standings they are right on UNT's heels.

2. UNT 91
3. ASU 87

2010

1. MT 148
2. WKU 123.5
3. UNT 122.5
4. ASU 97.5

2009

1. MT 145.5
2. WKU 135.5
3. UNT 106.5
10. ASU 75

I'm having problems finding further back than that, other than finding an article that provided the top three in 2008

1. WKU 142.5
2. MT 135.5
3. UNT 105.5

ASU is definitely trending upwards as an athletic program.
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RE: Does ULM belong in FBS football?
I like ULM and their fans. I want them to stay in the Sun Belt as long as they want or as long as they can afford to. It is a tough economy out there. We are not seeing it as bad here in Texas. ULM is competitive in football and I've never seen any photos of double-wides with their logo all over them.
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RE: Does ULM belong in FBS football?
(04-27-2011 08:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I like ULM and their fans. I want them to stay in the Sun Belt as long as they want or as long as they can afford to. It is a tough economy out there. We are not seeing it as bad here in Texas. ULM is competitive in football and I've never seen any photos of double-wides with their logo all over them.

Yep and you've never seen a baseball team either. It's much easier to be cheap and a fund bowling team then to build facilities, buy equipment and pay a coaching staff. How much money has UNT saved since joining the SBC by not funding a D1 baseball program? Don't worry, we will send you guys the trailers soon so UNT can actually house baseball offices and plow a field right behind them.
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RE: Does ULM belong in FBS football?
Of all the smack talk that goes on on this board, I just don't get the double wide talk...

Am I the only one outside of Lafayette who thinks they aren't that bad?
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(04-27-2011 08:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 07:56 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 06:39 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 06:23 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(04-27-2011 06:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  FWIW-WKU is the only member to sponsor all sports.

In regards to your post specifically, I wouldn't equate baseball and swimming personally. So long as both schools are comfortably over the minimum(both ASU and UNT are) I think you can stop looking at sports not sponsored as being equal. If we had a member that sponsored every sport but football, would you equate them adding football to ASU adding swimming?

Baseball is probably a second tier sport, but swimming is much further down the line. Outside of people who have some connection to the sport in general or the team specifically, I doubt you'll find too many fans at any school in the country that would pick a swimming team over a baseball team.

Lastly ASU is usually in the top 4 for the Bubas cup just like UNT, unlike UNT, ASU has actually won it before...03-shhhh

I'll bite, when ? Was this before 2001 ?

Well it would have had to have been, since 2001 only Middle and Western have won the trophy. Western four times and Middle is about to close out our seventh since 2001.

Arkansas State won it in 1995 and again in 1998, they're the only current member to have won the trophy other than MT, WKU, and South Alabama(10 wins between 1988 and 2000).

Those years are totally irrelevant to us as UNT wasn't even in the conference until 2001. Of course you knew that, but you just needed to make your point; correct ? You love 5 year stuff. Where has Arkansas State been in the final rankings for each of the past 5 years ?

In the current standings they are right on UNT's heels.

2. UNT 91
3. ASU 87

2010

1. MT 148
2. WKU 123.5
3. UNT 122.5
4. ASU 97.5

2009

1. MT 145.5
2. WKU 135.5
3. UNT 106.5
10. ASU 75

I'm having problems finding further back than that, other than finding an article that provided the top three in 2008

1. WKU 142.5
2. MT 135.5
3. UNT 105.5

ASU is definitely trending upwards as an athletic program.

So usually is just this year and last year ?
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RE: Does ULM belong in FBS football?
(04-27-2011 08:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I like ULM and their fans. I want them to stay in the Sun Belt as long as they want or as long as they can afford to. It is a tough economy out there. We are not seeing it as bad here in Texas. ULM is competitive in football and I've never seen any photos of double-wides with their logo all over them.

We Cajun fans have kept a respectful distance from this trainwreck of a thread and you come with this "double wide" troll bait.

I though you were better than that.
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