(04-12-2011 05:40 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 04:18 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  Over night, the SMU-TCU game becomes a BIG EFFING DEAL in the metroplex.

Why does it become a big deal suddenly?

I've seen several posters talk about UH attendance back to the 1980s and even 1970s so I'll go history on this one too. SMU & TCU have played each other 90 times. They played each other in a major conference for decades. When is the last time that played each other where it was a big deal for anyone except for TCU & SMU? 1958?

If Rice and UH went to the Big East together would that game suddenly become a big deal to everyone? Hell no!

Because a BCS bid could be on the line. And I didn't specifically mean nationally. I'm just saying that having a BCS bowl bid on the line changes the dynamic of any rivalry, and it amplifies it. It makes it more than it was. Recruiting options would improve as well, further amplifying the rivalry over time.

For a basketball comparison, I look at Duke-UNC compared to UK-Louisville. One reason why the Duke-UNC rivalry has a much bigger national perception is because it's a conference rivalry game. In football, UGA-Florida is much bigger than UGA-GT for much the same reason. There is more on the line in conference.

I'm not dissing UH. But Rice just isn't in the same conversation with you guys, much less TCU.

(04-13-2011 06:39 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 05:40 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 04:18 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  Over night, the SMU-TCU game becomes a BIG EFFING DEAL in the metroplex.

Why does it become a big deal suddenly?

I've seen several posters talk about UH attendance back to the 1980s and even 1970s so I'll go history on this one too. SMU & TCU have played each other 90 times. They played each other in a major conference for decades. When is the last time that played each other where it was a big deal for anyone except for TCU & SMU? 1958?

If Rice and UH went to the Big East together would that game suddenly become a big deal to everyone? Hell no!

Because a BCS bid could be on the line. And I didn't specifically mean nationally. I'm just saying that having a BCS bowl bid on the line changes the dynamic of any rivalry, and it amplifies it. It makes it more than it was. Recruiting options would improve as well, further amplifying the rivalry over time.

For a basketball comparison, I look at Duke-UNC compared to UK-Louisville. One reason why the Duke-UNC rivalry has a much bigger national perception is because it's a conference rivalry game. In football, UGA-Florida is much bigger than UGA-GT for much the same reason. There is more on the line in conference.

I'm not dissing UH. But Rice just isn't in the same conversation with you guys, much less TCU.

Good post...as if an annual rivalry game is also a conf game (where a loss, especially in football, basically puts the loser 1.5 games back of the winner, since the winner would win a tie breaker if in the same division), it just adds fuel to the fire.

Alabama/Auburn (in-state, same conf, SAME DIVISON...so a loss could be a killer for the losing team)

OU/Texas (well...they use to be in the same division...now just in the same conf)

Best "heated" non-conf rivalries?

FSU/Florida

South Carolina/Clemson

(04-13-2011 06:39 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 05:40 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 04:18 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  Over night, the SMU-TCU game becomes a BIG EFFING DEAL in the metroplex.

Why does it become a big deal suddenly?

I've seen several posters talk about UH attendance back to the 1980s and even 1970s so I'll go history on this one too. SMU & TCU have played each other 90 times. They played each other in a major conference for decades. When is the last time that played each other where it was a big deal for anyone except for TCU & SMU? 1958?

If Rice and UH went to the Big East together would that game suddenly become a big deal to everyone? Hell no!

Because a BCS bid could be on the line. And I didn't specifically mean nationally. I'm just saying that having a BCS bowl bid on the line changes the dynamic of any rivalry, and it amplifies it. It makes it more than it was. Recruiting options would improve as well, further amplifying the rivalry over time.

For a basketball comparison, I look at Duke-UNC compared to UK-Louisville. One reason why the Duke-UNC rivalry has a much bigger national perception is because it's a conference rivalry game. In football, UGA-Florida is much bigger than UGA-GT for much the same reason. There is more on the line in conference.

I'm not dissing UH. But Rice just isn't in the same conversation with you guys, much less TCU.

And SMU is on the same level as TCU? Yes, they won CUSA West last year by winning a tie breaker after UH lost their 1st two QBS, but they STILL managed to lose to Houston by 25 even without them. SMU's last win against UH was in 2005, the only year they've beaten TCU in the last 10 meetings. In the last 10 meetings with UH, UH leads the series 8-1-1. If SMU can't beat UH, what makes you think they can beat TCU? UH hasn't fared any better against TCU, but we've dominated SMU.

TCU may or may not win the Big East to go to a BCS bowl, but SMU won't be the team stopping them from going.

(04-13-2011 08:37 AM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(04-13-2011 06:39 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 05:40 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 04:18 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  Over night, the SMU-TCU game becomes a BIG EFFING DEAL in the metroplex.

Why does it become a big deal suddenly?

I've seen several posters talk about UH attendance back to the 1980s and even 1970s so I'll go history on this one too. SMU & TCU have played each other 90 times. They played each other in a major conference for decades. When is the last time that played each other where it was a big deal for anyone except for TCU & SMU? 1958?

If Rice and UH went to the Big East together would that game suddenly become a big deal to everyone? Hell no!

Because a BCS bid could be on the line. And I didn't specifically mean nationally. I'm just saying that having a BCS bowl bid on the line changes the dynamic of any rivalry, and it amplifies it. It makes it more than it was. Recruiting options would improve as well, further amplifying the rivalry over time.

For a basketball comparison, I look at Duke-UNC compared to UK-Louisville. One reason why the Duke-UNC rivalry has a much bigger national perception is because it's a conference rivalry game. In football, UGA-Florida is much bigger than UGA-GT for much the same reason. There is more on the line in conference.

I'm not dissing UH. But Rice just isn't in the same conversation with you guys, much less TCU.

And SMU is on the same level as TCU? Yes, they won CUSA West last year by winning a tie breaker after UH lost their 1st two QBS, but they STILL managed to lose to Houston by 25 even without them. SMU's last win against UH was in 2005, the only year they've beaten TCU in the last 10 meetings. In the last 10 meetings with UH, UH leads the series 8-1-1. If SMU can't beat UH, what makes you think they can beat TCU? UH hasn't fared any better against TCU, but we've dominated SMU.

TCU may or may not win the Big East to go to a BCS bowl, but SMU won't be the team stopping them from going.

SMU is sooo overhyped it isn't funny. If not for all the cheating that went on back in the 80's and June leading them to miraculous 8-5 & 7-7 seasons they wouldn't be getting a sniff from ESPN.

(04-13-2011 08:37 AM)NTXCoog Wrote:  And SMU is on the same level as TCU? Yes, they won CUSA West last year by winning a tie breaker after UH lost their 1st two QBS, but they STILL managed to lose to Houston by 25 even without them. SMU's last win against UH was in 2005, the only year they've beaten TCU in the last 10 meetings. In the last 10 meetings with UH, UH leads the series 8-1-1. If SMU can't beat UH, what makes you think they can beat TCU? UH hasn't fared any better against TCU, but we've dominated SMU.

TCU may or may not win the Big East to go to a BCS bowl, but SMU won't be the team stopping them from going.

I think you are taking my post as some kind of knock on UH and that's not what I am doing at all. UH-TCU could have the same kind of dynamic that I'm talking about. It's just not as obvious as UCF-USF or TCU-SMU. The point I was making is directed mostly at UCF, which I think is the obvious choice for expansion, IF the conference expands. Adding UCF would actually help USF in my opinion.