Drill baby drill! You really need to give it up. After you showed your complete ignorance on the Obama "labia" video, who can take anything you say seriously?

(04-01-2011 02:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Drill baby drill! You really need to give it up. After you showed your complete ignorance on the Obama "labia" video, who can take anything you say seriously?

...and what's your dumb*** excuse as to why we shouldn't drill, because it would take 30 years to hit the market? Yeah, you fools already used that, 40 F'N YEARS ago.

Cut him a break. He's probably Ken Salazar's long lost son.

Question for all the alternative energy advocates:

What is the alternative to oil? Not energy, OIL.

Answer: There isn't one. That is the elephant in the room. Right now we have alternatives to all sorts of energy. Except oil.

(04-01-2011 05:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Question for all the alternative energy advocates:

What is the alternative to oil? Not energy, OIL.

Answer: There isn't one. That is the elephant in the room. Right now we have alternatives to all sorts of energy. Except oil.

Did I say that we completely stop using oil? I realize that it is used in many products. I think most of us do. What we can do is stop using it(or significantly reduce it) in our autos so we have a decent supply until an oil alternative is ready for those other products. Heck, we probably could get off foreign oil if we just did this(or at the very least use ours and our neighbors-Mexico and Canada).

Conspiracy theory here: Maybe we are putting our oil off limits in order to "use up" the rest of the worlds oil and leaving us with a large source to use when the world runs out thus giving us an advantage in the future.

(04-02-2011 03:34 PM)RobertN Wrote:  What we can do is stop using it(or significantly reduce it) in our autos so we have a decent supply until an oil alternative is ready for those other products. Heck, we probably could get off foreign oil if we just did this (or at the very least use ours and our neighbors-Mexico and Canada).

No, we can't do that.
The numbers simply don't work.
That's the point I'm making.
If you think it can be done, say how--with numbers.
Here's a hint--the numbers you start with are 18 million barrels a day consumption, 12 million barrels a day imported, and 70% of total oil consumption goes to transportation. For comparison, a million electric cars on the road by 2015 saves us 100 thousand barrels a day.

(04-02-2011 09:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-02-2011 03:34 PM)RobertN Wrote:  What we can do is stop using it(or significantly reduce it) in our autos so we have a decent supply until an oil alternative is ready for those other products. Heck, we probably could get off foreign oil if we just did this (or at the very least use ours and our neighbors-Mexico and Canada).

No, we can't do that.
The numbers simply don't work.
That's the point I'm making.
If you think it can be done, say how--with numbers.
Here's a hint--the numbers you start with are 18 million barrels a day consumption, 12 million barrels a day imported, and 70% of total oil consumption goes to transportation. For comparison, a million electric cars on the road by 2015 saves us 100 thousand barrels a day.

Owl...Don't bother arguing with these people using actual facts. Facts are useless against these agenda driven sycophants of Al Gore. The pure fact is they can really offer NO credible argument to not drill in ANWAR.

(04-03-2011 12:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-02-2011 09:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-02-2011 03:34 PM)RobertN Wrote:  What we can do is stop using it(or significantly reduce it) in our autos so we have a decent supply until an oil alternative is ready for those other products. Heck, we probably could get off foreign oil if we just did this (or at the very least use ours and our neighbors-Mexico and Canada).

No, we can't do that.
The numbers simply don't work.
That's the point I'm making.
If you think it can be done, say how--with numbers.
Here's a hint--the numbers you start with are 18 million barrels a day consumption, 12 million barrels a day imported, and 70% of total oil consumption goes to transportation. For comparison, a million electric cars on the road by 2015 saves us 100 thousand barrels a day.

Owl...Don't bother arguing with these people using actual facts. Facts are useless against these agenda driven sycophants of Al Gore. The pure fact is they can really offer NO credible argument to not drill in ANWAR.

I know, but I find it very frustrating when people push "solutions" that simply don't wash with reality.

I don't know how many people truly believe that windmills help reduce our oil consumption, but I'm sure there are a lot of them. And they need to understand reality.

(04-03-2011 01:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-03-2011 12:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-02-2011 09:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-02-2011 03:34 PM)RobertN Wrote:  What we can do is stop using it(or significantly reduce it) in our autos so we have a decent supply until an oil alternative is ready for those other products. Heck, we probably could get off foreign oil if we just did this (or at the very least use ours and our neighbors-Mexico and Canada).

No, we can't do that.
The numbers simply don't work.
That's the point I'm making.
If you think it can be done, say how--with numbers.
Here's a hint--the numbers you start with are 18 million barrels a day consumption, 12 million barrels a day imported, and 70% of total oil consumption goes to transportation. For comparison, a million electric cars on the road by 2015 saves us 100 thousand barrels a day.

Owl...Don't bother arguing with these people using actual facts. Facts are useless against these agenda driven sycophants of Al Gore. The pure fact is they can really offer NO credible argument to not drill in ANWAR.

I know, but I find it very frustrating when people push "solutions" that simply don't wash with reality.

I don't know how many people truly believe that windmills help reduce our oil consumption, but I'm sure there are a lot of them. And they need to understand reality.

Are wind and solar viable energy "supplements"?...Yes...are they "replacements" for hydroelectric,coal and nuclear..No.... Neither are electric cars a replacement for the combustion engine. As long as we have fossil fuels, we are going to burn them for energy.. Pure and simple.