the other Chit4brains is about as useless a professional lefter as there is. The LameStreamMedia does everything it can to control the message. Palin is one prime example. To ignore it is fallacious. You have nothing but unsound arguments.

I would say that the differences between Fox's lean to the right and everyone else's lean to the left are:
1. Since Fox is the outlier, it's differences are more obvious.
2. Fox tends to be more up-front and in-your-face with its differences, while the left-leaners are more subtle.

I don't think that either side runs with stories that they know, or should have known, to be false--Dan Rather with W's national guard records is probably the last time that really happened. What happens is that each side gives its side of the story and quashes the other side's version, so you really get two different stories. But if each side has half the truth, you need both halves to be truly informed.

Greg and a couple of others on here are so far to the left that anything even approaching the center looks like right wing nuts to them. We have a couple of others on here who are so far right that the opposite holds. I'm not necessarily a centrist, but I lean left on some issues and right on others, so I see all outlets from both left and right perspectives.

The things that are crystal clear to me are that nobody is objective, and nobody tells the whole truth. That's why my approach is to listen to as many different sources as possible, figure out what's really true in what each of them is saying, and go from there.

(04-08-2011 09:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would say that the differences between Fox's lean to the right and everyone else's lean to the left are:
1. Since Fox is the outlier, it's differences are more obvious.
2. Fox tends to be more up-front and in-your-face with its differences, while the left-leaners are more subtle.

I don't think that either side runs with stories that they know, or should have known, to be false--Dan Rather with W's national guard records is probably the last time that really happened. What happens is that each side gives its side of the story and quashes the other side's version, so you really get two different stories. But if each side has half the truth, you need both halves to be truly informed.

Greg and a couple of others on here are so far to the left that anything even approaching the center looks like right wing nuts to them. We have a couple of others on here who are so far right that the opposite holds. I'm not necessarily a centrist, but I lean left on some issues and right on others, so I see all outlets from both left and right perspectives.

The things that are crystal clear to me is that nobody is objective, and nobody tells the whole truth. That's why my approach is to listen to as many different sources as possible, figure out what's really true in what each of them is saying, and go from there.

+ 1

Well said.

(04-02-2011 11:46 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  CNN has never shown systematic bias like Fox has. You might make a case for an individual or a single program, but not the network as a whole. Remember, Beck worked for CNN before he worked for Fox.

And Alan Colmes works for Fox... Your point?

(04-08-2011 09:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would say that the differences between Fox's lean to the right and everyone else's lean to the left are:
1. Since Fox is the outlier, it's differences are more obvious.
2. Fox tends to be more up-front and in-your-face with its differences, while the left-leaners are more subtle.

I don't think that either side runs with stories that they know, or should have known, to be false--Dan Rather with W's national guard records is probably the last time that really happened. What happens is that each side gives its side of the story and quashes the other side's version, so you really get two different stories. But if each side has half the truth, you need both halves to be truly informed.

Greg and a couple of others on here are so far to the left that anything even approaching the center looks like right wing nuts to them. We have a couple of others on here who are so far right that the opposite holds. I'm not necessarily a centrist, but I lean left on some issues and right on others, so I see all outlets from both left and right perspectives.

The things that are crystal clear to me are that nobody is objective, and nobody tells the whole truth. That's why my approach is to listen to as many different sources as possible, figure out what's really true in what each of them is saying, and go from there.

Compared to you idiots, Ronald Reagan was a lefty.

I do get conflicted. There are things things that get me extremely angry. Like this thread about Libya. Doesn't our Son of a B1Tch CinC know that you don't send my blood, our blood to battle without the will to win. Without the tools or strategy or leadership to win an overwhelming victory. This is the only thing the world, our enemies will ever understand. Victory. Yes, this make me conflicted. It should, it is the horror of war. Courage is the mastery of fear, not the absence of fear. We have come to take war so callously. Disgusting. We have become a society of pu$$ies. Incompetence in the ranks cannot be tolerated, and especially from the military leaders or CinC. We used to train our soldiers to win, except nothing but victory. But today they are expected to be some peacekeeping arm of the UN. I reject that, it does not work. The world sees our forces as some emasculated b1tches, an extension of the inept and cowardly leadership. That's the view the liberal media, the left wants portrayed. These are not democrats. This is the tipping point to socialism, communism, fascism. Its a direct threat to Liberty.

(04-01-2011 07:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-01-2011 07:14 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Michael Scheuer, formerly of the CIA, puts a couple of CNN gals in their place over Barack's Libyan Adventure.

Put this guy into some position of power as soon as possible:ncaabbs:. It is nice to hear a guy be frank and make a cogent argument that America's foreign policy is a total failure in the ME.

The chick in the yellow blouse worked for FOXNEWS for a long time. I think she knew he was telling it like it was....The Blonde chick is totally lost.

Kiran Chetry used to work at Fox and yes, the "blonde chick" is completely lost and seemed deeply offended that Sheuer would talk less than approvingly of anyone in Obama's entourage.

(04-02-2011 09:51 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(04-02-2011 09:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-02-2011 08:14 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  This was the same guy who wrote a book about there being a link between al Queda and Saddaam Hussein. He later was forced to recant when it became rather obvious that there was no connection at all. He makes so many false assumptions that his credibility is suspect at best. At the end of the interview, he goes full retard.

Not surprising that you loons support this loon.

I find it strange that any liberal would bash this guy. He lost his job with the CIA because he differed with the US policies concerning the wars in the ME and the approach it was using to get OBL. Much of what he has said and written goes hand in hand with the things the left preached for almost a decade. I guess now that the left is in charge...suddenly they have morphed from doves to hawks. What we are doing in the ME is now "just peachy" to the left. Hypocrites?...Oh Yes.

The guy was critical of both the Clinton and Bush administration, so it's not political one way or the other. The guy just makes some wild leaps of faith with bad information. Plus, he was being a real pr1ck to the people interviewing him. Considering that he's full of crap, it made him look like an arrogant idiot.

I'm curious, what did Scheuer say that was "full of crap"?

Read the whole post. You'll find it.

If you're talking about the old Hussein book, understood, but he's spot on in the CNN piece.

(04-08-2011 09:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  If you're talking about the old Hussein book, understood, but he's spot on in the CNN piece.

No, he's quite the whack job.

(04-08-2011 09:09 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  Read the whole post. You'll find it.

Done....After reading this again...I am even more sure he is correct.