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RE: Alright Toppers
(02-20-2011 09:59 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-20-2011 09:49 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  
(02-20-2011 11:29 AM)CajunT Wrote:  Yep, you were cheated! Shot more free throws on the opponents home court, but you sure were cheated!03-lmfao

Just because you are at home does not mean you are "owed" any certain number of free throws.

Drawing fouls / charges is part of McDonald's strategy (as it were) and we frequently get the benefit of more fouls called on the opponents than on ourselves because we have some pretty stout forwards that work at it.

Not saying that we didn't get the benefit of some questionable calls or no calls. But it is not self evident that we had some advantage on the basis that we got more fouls called.

Hilltopper2K, I consider you one of WKU's more intelligent basketball fans. But you know 90% of the time, the home team gets more calls go their way, especially in the SBC. It might be part of McDonald's strategy to drive to the basket, but the Cajuns had a number of guys hammered, including Thomas going to the basket, no calls were made in the second half. This is why Marlin lost it, even in front of his own bench he wasn't getting any calls. This is why I call BS on you guys crying about the time keeper, when all WKU had to do is simply hit their free throws down the stretch, we wouldn't be having this converstation.

JJ, gets half of the calls when he gets the crap beat out of him under the basket we win by 8.

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02-20-2011 10:06 PM
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RE: Alright Toppers
(02-20-2011 09:59 PM)CajunT Wrote:  Hilltopper2K, I consider you one of WKU's more intelligent basketball fans. But you know 90% of the time, the home team gets more calls go their way, especially in the SBC. It might be part of McDonald's strategy to drive to the basket, but the Cajuns had a number of guys hammered, including Thomas going to the basket, no calls were made in the second half. This is why Marlin lost it, even in front of his own bench he wasn't getting any calls. This is why I call BS on you guys crying about the time keeper, when all WKU had to do is simply hit their free throws down the stretch, we wouldn't be having this converstation.

I'll tell you, during the Horn years I used to get so mad because we often got more fouls called on us than the other team. Then one day I realized that gambling, grabby defense was just part of Horn's game.

The time keeper did not cost us the game. That I agree with. The one inbound play was a blatant error on the time keeper's part though.

Personally I prefer referees that "let them play". Watch the Big East, SEC, Big Ten, etc., those refs LET THEM PLAY. It is brutal in there. I think it is a disservice to the Sunbelt that we too often get referees that call way too many fouls.

When you get to the NCAAs the games are physical and the fouls are not called like they usually are in Lafayette or Bowling Green on a Saturday night.

The real crime is switching back and forth between tightly called and loosely called within the same game or even the same half, which I think very much happened last night. The first half was tightly called with several players picking up two early fouls. Then in the second half, when WKU made the run, there were a lot of no calls that could have been called. Again, I don't personallly have a problem with that. But then the refs switch back again, calling the game tight at the end (and in my opinion flat out blowing some calls).

And again, I don't think that the referees cost us the game. That's not what I am saying at all.
02-20-2011 10:28 PM
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RE: Alright Toppers
(02-20-2011 10:06 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  JJ, gets half of the calls when he gets the crap beat out of him under the basket we win by 8.

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Well, if you take away the the two points (earned two seconds after the shot clock should have expired) and reverse some of the blown calls at the end then the 8 points gets reversed right back.

For that matter if we hadn't played with head in butt disease in the first half maybe we would have beaten the Cajuns by 8 points.

Or maybe if Ronald Nored had stuck around instead of transferring to Butler maybe we would have gone to the final four instead of them.

Maybe if we had hired Bob Knight as our coach instead of Ken McDonald then we would have Pat by now.

If... If... If...
02-20-2011 10:33 PM
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RE: Alright Toppers
(02-20-2011 10:28 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  
(02-20-2011 09:59 PM)CajunT Wrote:  Hilltopper2K, I consider you one of WKU's more intelligent basketball fans. But you know 90% of the time, the home team gets more calls go their way, especially in the SBC. It might be part of McDonald's strategy to drive to the basket, but the Cajuns had a number of guys hammered, including Thomas going to the basket, no calls were made in the second half. This is why Marlin lost it, even in front of his own bench he wasn't getting any calls. This is why I call BS on you guys crying about the time keeper, when all WKU had to do is simply hit their free throws down the stretch, we wouldn't be having this converstation.

I'll tell you, during the Horn years I used to get so mad because we often got more fouls called on us than the other team. Then one day I realized that gambling, grabby defense was just part of Horn's game.

The time keeper did not cost us the game. That I agree with. The one inbound play was a blatant error on the time keeper's part though.

Personally I prefer referees that "let them play". Watch the Big East, SEC, Big Ten, etc., those refs LET THEM PLAY. It is brutal in there. I think it is a disservice to the Sunbelt that we too often get referees that call way too many fouls.

When you get to the NCAAs the games are physical and the fouls are not called like they usually are in Lafayette or Bowling Green on a Saturday night.

The real crime is switching back and forth between tightly called and loosely called within the same game or even the same half, which I think very much happened last night. The first half was tightly called with several players picking up two early fouls. Then in the second half, when WKU made the run, there were a lot of no calls that could have been called. Again, I don't personallly have a problem with that. But then the refs switch back again, calling the game tight at the end (and in my opinion flat out blowing some calls).

And again, I don't think that the referees cost us the game. That's not what I am saying at all.

One thing for sure, we will be rivals once again! I think last night's game was a precursor of things to come. 04-rock
02-20-2011 10:34 PM
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RE: Alright Toppers
(02-20-2011 10:33 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  
(02-20-2011 10:06 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  JJ, gets half of the calls when he gets the crap beat out of him under the basket we win by 8.

Z

Well, if you take away the the two points (earned two seconds after the shot clock should have expired) and reverse some of the blown calls at the end then the 8 points gets reversed right back.

For that matter if we hadn't played with head in butt disease in the first half maybe we would have beaten the Cajuns by 8 points.

Or maybe if Ronald Nored had stuck around instead of transferring to Butler maybe we would have gone to the final four instead of them.

Maybe if we had hired Bob Knight as our coach instead of Ken McDonald then we would have Pat by now.

If... If... If...

And there you go. Cajuns win. Cajuns deserved to win.

Best of luck in the tournament.

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02-20-2011 10:38 PM
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