LOL. You UCF guys want to blame USF for everything. Once again there is NO proof that USF is blocking anybody and as I have said if USF is the only one that feels that way then UCF will be in. So if they dont then there was a majority in Big East that had concerns about UCF.

(01-25-2011 09:44 PM)chrisharper80 Wrote:  LOL. And people wonder why Houston releases a statement that reads like "We have had no contact with the Big East. We know nothing about it. By the way, what's a Big East? We are proud and happy members of CUSA until the day we die.

UCF has made the same comment when the media has heated up w/ questions about expansion

(01-25-2011 09:44 PM)chrisharper80 Wrote:  LOL. And people wonder why Houston releases a statement that reads like "We have had no contact with the Big East. We know nothing about it. By the way, what's a Big East? We are proud and happy members of CUSA until the day we die. Yes, even if everybody else leaves the conference"

You know we've release the same statement right?

(01-25-2011 09:55 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. You UCF guys want to blame USF for everything. Once again there is NO proof that USF is blocking anybody and as I have said if USF is the only one that feels that way then UCF will be in. So if they dont then there was a majority in Big East that had concerns about UCF.

I doubt Genshaft is going to tell everyone she is against UCF....just like a backroom Politician, it's done behind closed doors

(01-25-2011 09:36 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:31 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:30 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 08:43 PM)PittDMD Wrote:  This would be dumb on USF's part if true. We need quality members to increase the value of our TV contracts and footprint. Schools in our conference need to think of what is best for all of us, and not just them. Like i said, I really hope this is not true.

Best post in this thread, I'm surprised more people don't see the big picture on this. USF has an "over my dead body, I don't care if they are the best option" type of attitude towards UCF. I would have to think that the members of the selection committee (and the presidents of some of the BE schools) would be more than a little irritated if USF keeps this up when/if the selection committee finds UCF to be the top candidate.

LOL. Once again BS talk. Where do you have a link of any USF official saying they would block UCF.

I doubt many (including most USF fans) would argue that USF isn't fighting tooth and nail to keep UCF out.

I think UCF fans are completely delusional when it comes to USF.

You guys don't even know the source of the rumors but you are so excited/happy to believe them....they become some sick self fulfilling prophesy. Now your newspapers and university is talking about this.

When in all likelyhood....this is all coming from.....some delusional, UCF fan who has nothing better to do than to try and give USF a hard time.

(01-25-2011 09:57 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:55 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. You UCF guys want to blame USF for everything. Once again there is NO proof that USF is blocking anybody and as I have said if USF is the only one that feels that way then UCF will be in. So if they dont then there was a majority in Big East that had concerns about UCF.

I doubt Genshaft is going to tell everyone she is against UCF....just like a backroom Politician, it's done behind closed doors

and unless you are behind those close doors, you have no idea what she is saying. Yet you guys are ready to jump on her and USF of crap you have no idea if its happenning or not.

(01-25-2011 09:56 PM)theUCFkid Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:44 PM)chrisharper80 Wrote:  LOL. And people wonder why Houston releases a statement that reads like "We have had no contact with the Big East. We know nothing about it. By the way, what's a Big East? We are proud and happy members of CUSA until the day we die. Yes, even if everybody else leaves the conference"

You know we've release the same statement right?

Shhhh... Don't stop him, he's on a roll...

What this says to me is that UCF is getting zero communication from the Big East. If they knew what was going to happen, they'd never going to make a comment like that. If they were confident they were getting into the Big East, they'd simply deny the rumor and say it was ridiculous. Seems like UCF is in the dark and is getting a little agitated about it.

The easiest conclusion to make from this is that there is no consensus in the Big East about what they want to do. There is probably a fracture on how many to add, and which schools, and where Villanova fits into the equation.

All that said, i don't think USF has the power to block UCF if the membership of the BE felt that adding UCF would really benefit the league.

(01-25-2011 09:31 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  I guess that opens up the next can of worms. I mean....let's just assume USF IS trying to lobby against UCF for a minute.

If we are now seriously looking at going to 12.....who would be team #12 instead of UCF???

Say USF blocks UCF and the BE selects Houston.....and then Nova moves up.....who is going to be team #12 in 2014?

It doesn't sound like ECU is even on the BE's radar.....Temple surely would not be an option with Nova in.

I don't see any way USF could block UCF....not unless the BE seriously starts considering my idea of BSU football only.

How is ECU not on our radar? Houston, UCF, and ECU have been the 3 most talked about. I could definitly see a scenario where its Villanova, Houston, and ECU.

That said, I dont think we're going to 12 and i dont think we should. Let Nova move up and stop there. Theres nothing pushing us to 12.

I dont understand what could have changed with the conference landscape, especially considering we escaped unscathed and we are the only conference still actively looking at expansion, to cause us to want to increase our membership by 50%.

They're not going to listen Cuban. We have been saying this for months, that blaming USF for the ills of the world is ridiculous, but now the chickens are coming home to roost. If I have 8 or 9 people in a room and one person says no is that going to stop the other 7 or 8 people? Here's something to think before answering that question, unlike the SEC or Pac-10 the Big East candidate doesn't need a unanimous yes to get invited into the conference.

(01-25-2011 09:59 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:57 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:55 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. You UCF guys want to blame USF for everything. Once again there is NO proof that USF is blocking anybody and as I have said if USF is the only one that feels that way then UCF will be in. So if they dont then there was a majority in Big East that had concerns about UCF.

I doubt Genshaft is going to tell everyone she is against UCF....just like a backroom Politician, it's done behind closed doors

and unless you are behind those close doors, you have no idea what she is saying. Yet you guys are ready to jump on her and USF of crap you have no idea if its happenning or not.

It will all come out in the meeting minutes in a few years. I'm pretty confident about what USF's official stance will have been.

The only ones being delusional or naive right now are USF fans who actually think that USF isn't actively fighting to keep UCF out.

What leverage does USF have to try and prevent UCF from coming into the league? If all of the attributes that UCF fans have been trumpeting make them the best candidates, how could USF conceivably convince 7 other university presidents not to include them? It makes no sense to me.

(01-25-2011 10:04 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:59 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:57 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:55 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. You UCF guys want to blame USF for everything. Once again there is NO proof that USF is blocking anybody and as I have said if USF is the only one that feels that way then UCF will be in. So if they dont then there was a majority in Big East that had concerns about UCF.

I doubt Genshaft is going to tell everyone she is against UCF....just like a backroom Politician, it's done behind closed doors

and unless you are behind those close doors, you have no idea what she is saying. Yet you guys are ready to jump on her and USF of crap you have no idea if its happenning or not.

It will all come out in the meeting minutes in a few years. I'm pretty confident about what USF's official stance will have been.

The only ones being delusional or naive right now are USF fans who actually think that USF isn't actively fighting to keep UCF out.

LOL. OK.

(01-25-2011 10:01 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  What this says to me is that UCF is getting zero communication from the Big East. If they knew what was going to happen, they'd never going to make a comment like that. If they were confident they were getting into the Big East, they'd simply deny the rumor and say it was ridiculous. Seems like UCF is in the dark and is getting a little agitated about it.

The easiest conclusion to make from this is that there is no consensus in the Big East about what they want to do. There is probably a fracture on how many to add, and which schools, and where Villanova fits into the equation.

All that said, i don't think USF has the power to block UCF if the membership of the BE felt that adding UCF would really benefit the league.

There it is in the nutshell, I agree without you a 1000% wvu.

I wouldn't be surprised if when the "official" vote comes out that USF would have voted FOR UCF.

Yet even if they did all the UCF nut jobs would say.....that was just for cover either USF knew they couldn't block UCF or they knew they had enough votes TO block them without USF's vote. No way, UCF fans will give USF credit for anything.

(01-25-2011 10:04 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:59 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:57 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 09:55 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. You UCF guys want to blame USF for everything. Once again there is NO proof that USF is blocking anybody and as I have said if USF is the only one that feels that way then UCF will be in. So if they dont then there was a majority in Big East that had concerns about UCF.

I doubt Genshaft is going to tell everyone she is against UCF....just like a backroom Politician, it's done behind closed doors

and unless you are behind those close doors, you have no idea what she is saying. Yet you guys are ready to jump on her and USF of crap you have no idea if its happenning or not.

It will all come out in the meeting minutes in a few years. I'm pretty confident about what USF's official stance will have been.

The only ones being delusional or naive right now are USF fans who actually think that USF isn't actively fighting to keep UCF out.

I think those minutes would be VERY interesting, especially if you choose to read all of it and not just the ones on USF.

(01-25-2011 10:04 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  They're not going to listen Cuban. We have been saying this for months, that blaming USF for the ills of the world is ridiculous, but now the chickens are coming home to roost. If I have 8 or 9 people in a room and one person says no is that going to stop the other 7 or 8 people? Here's something to think before answering that question, unlike the SEC or Pac-10 the Big East candidate doesn't need a unanimous yes to get invited into the conference.

Depends. Sometimes that one person can indeed be ignored. Other times, other members decide to vote based on that one person's thoughts in concert with their own.

(01-25-2011 10:07 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  What leverage does USF have to try and prevent UCF from coming into the league? If all of the attributes that UCF fans have been trumpeting make them the best candidates, how could USF conceivably convince 7 other university presidents not to include them? It makes no sense to me.

Ultimately, they will not be able keep UCF out. But they may be able to hold up the process or possibly team up with other presidents who have alterior motives to support other candidates outside of the one recommended by the selection committee.

(01-25-2011 10:07 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  What leverage does USF have to try and prevent UCF from coming into the league? If all of the attributes that UCF fans have been trumpeting make them the best candidates, how could USF conceivably convince 7 other university presidents not to include them? It makes no sense to me.

And this right here is why I find it amusing that there are UCF fans calling USF and their fans delusional. If you're good enough you'll get in. If you bring as much value to the table then USF couldn't block you. And here's something for UCF fans to consider, and I've been dancing around it and I guess I'll just have to say it since there are UCF fans choosing to ignore it, and wvucrazed brought it up as well, if UCF has to come out publicly and say that USF is possibly blocking them, why do you think that's the case? Here's a hint, because maybe USF isn't the only one perhaps? Maybe coming out publicly with this is UCF's way of forcing USF's hand and trying to get them to defend them against these other schools? Think about it, because that's the first thing that flashed through my mind when I read that.

(01-25-2011 10:09 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if when the "official" vote comes out that USF would have voted FOR UCF.

Yet even if they did all the UCF nut jobs would say.....that was just for cover either USF knew they couldn't block UCF or they knew they had enough votes TO block them without USF's vote. No way, UCF fans will give USF credit for anything.

LOL. You got that right if UCF does not get that invite, you know the Orlando folks will be blaming USF whether the record shows we voted for them or not. To them we are the Evil Empire and every move we do is done to crap on UCF. LOL