(01-07-2011 07:45 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  

(01-07-2011 07:14 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Maybe Monday?

Sunday morning at 9.

In Buafflo!

Just to throw this out there.....hope this doesn't make me some kind of Nova shill as Qwerty has asked me on 2 separate threads.

If Nova WERE to move up....they would join the BE in 2014. They would have to play as a I-A Independent for 2 seasons.....2012 and 2013.

For all intents and purposes, wouldn't the BE just give them a 9 game "conference" schedule both of those independent seasons? In that scenario.....for scheduling purposes...the BE would have 10 teams. I mean Luck did say they were told to plan for a 9 game conference schedule.

Her wording on that 9th or 10th team question is a little confusing. Is she saying the BE may have changed their minds and said they will stay at 9 even if Nova declines?

(01-07-2011 08:51 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(01-07-2011 07:45 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  

(01-07-2011 07:14 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Maybe Monday?

Sunday morning at 9.

In Buffalo!

+1

Looks like pretty much the same tone of an written interview Q&A Jeff Charles gave on the expansion subject from ECU's perspective in the most recent Pirates Chest magazine (for Pirate Club members). You could almost just change ECU & UCF for both Q&A pieces and would fit either article.

I do agree that the BE is now willing to move alot slower since TCU came in as I think that was a definate plan changer or adjustment to their timetable.

I went back and re-read that and really that does not leave a lot of good options for the CUSA schools.

Of course the sources said the BE views UCF favorably.....would they say anything different about any school?!? No offense to UCF....but all the insiders are going to say UCF is viewed favorably. But let's assume for a moment....outside of Nova....UCF is the #1 choice of the BE.

So based on what she is saying is by March 1st either a) the BE is going to come out and offer UCF (prior to hearing Nova's findings) or b) the BE is going to walk back their comments about 10 invites and say....oh we only meant 9.

The problem with all of this is Nova doesn't have to be invited to join. It is built into the charter.....Nova and Georgetown can basically move up any time they want.

So the ONLY way this comes out good for UCF is IF.....NOVA has somehow made it very clear behind the scenes.....that they are not moving up. Because, IF UCF were to be invited and then Nova turns around and accepts....now you are at 11.....and we have all discussed you can't have 9 conference games with 11 teams. Plus the football inventory of the 11th team is nowhere as beneficial as that 10th team. Thus....they would HAVE to go to 12 or only play 8 conference games with 11 teams.

Outside of that scenario....what this sounds like is.... the BE is not going to expand past 9 unless Nova decides to accept in April. If they do great....we have 10 teams with 9 conference schedules.....otherwise we have 9 with 8 conference games.

You can have 10 teams and still play 8 conference games. The SEC has 12 but only plays 8 conference games!

(01-07-2011 10:23 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  You can have 10 teams and still play 8 conference games. The SEC has 12 but only plays 8 conference games!

This is true.

(01-07-2011 10:19 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  I went back and re-read that and really that does not leave a lot of good options for the CUSA schools.

Of course the sources said the BE views UCF favorably.....would they say anything different about any school?!? No offense to UCF....but all the insiders are going to say UCF is viewed favorably. But let's assume for a moment....outside of Nova....UCF is the #1 choice of the BE.

So based on what she is saying is by March 1st either a) the BE is going to come out and offer UCF (prior to hearing Nova's findings) or b) the BE is going to walk back their comments about 10 invites and say....oh we only meant 9.

The problem with all of this is Nova doesn't have to be invited to join. It is built into the charter.....Nova and Georgetown can basically move up any time they want.

So the ONLY way this comes out good for UCF is IF.....NOVA has somehow made it very clear behind the scenes.....that they are not moving up. Because, IF UCF were to be invited and then Nova turns around and accepts....now you are at 11.....and we have all discussed you can't have 9 conference games with 11 teams. Plus the football inventory of the 11th team is nowhere as beneficial as that 10th team. Thus....they would HAVE to go to 12 or only play 8 conference games with 11 teams.

Outside of that scenario....what this sounds like is.... the BE is not going to expand past 9 unless Nova decides to accept in April. If they do great....we have 10 teams with 9 conference schedules.....otherwise we have 9 with 8 conference games.

This is how I see it. there is no real "smoke" down in O-town indicating an invite is imminent. If Nova declines (60-40 they accept imo) and if the basketball schools agree to 18 basketball schools (70-30 they agree to this) then UCF "might" be the top candidate. Those are poor odds and a lot of ifs if u r a UCF fan.

(01-07-2011 10:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  This is how I see it. there is no real "smoke" down in O-town indicating an invite is imminent. If Nova declines (60-40 they accept imo) and if the basketball schools agree to 18 basketball schools (70-30 they agree to this) then UCF "might" be the top candidate. Those are poor odds and a lot of ifs if u r a UCF fan.

I like how she spun that in the chat to make it not sound like a negative. Only when someone asked a follow up as to who might the BE invite instead of UCF.....and her answer was "No one?" did it suddenly present a new meaning.

Even after reading it the 1st time.....I was like wait....did she say what I think she said.

Then I was surprised that it did not get more of a reaction.

(01-07-2011 08:51 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(01-07-2011 07:45 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  

(01-07-2011 07:14 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Maybe Monday?

Sunday morning at 9.

In Buafflo!

We knew it was coming. Buffalo. Sunday at 9.

P.S. I hope you caught my sarcasm there.

(01-07-2011 07:44 PM)theasfldotcom Wrote:  

(01-07-2011 06:12 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-07-2011 05:53 PM)theasfldotcom Wrote:  She started this academic year when our old beat writer went to ESPN, she came from New Mexico. I'd personally be somewhat surprised if her source(s) didn't come from somewhere at UCF.

Huh?

She has been covering UCF for quite sometime as she replaced Kyle Hightower who was demoted at the Sentinel.

Several folks have moved on from the Sentinel to UCF (including Jemele Hill) but she was never the UCF beat writer (she was a columnist).

I was under the impression that she replaced Andrea Adelson this season as the beat writer.

Andrea "The Gator" Adelson was never the beat writer for UCF at the Sentinel.

The only people who mentioned Jan. and Feb. as target dates were people on the Internet making wild guesses. The Big East's targa date has always been March or April.

(01-07-2011 05:42 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  They'll admit Buffalo to the Big East this Monday. Mark it down!

you deserve to have your posting privileges revoked for even joking about that

(01-07-2011 10:19 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  I went back and re-read that and really that does not leave a lot of good options for the CUSA schools.

Of course the sources said the BE views UCF favorably.....would they say anything different about any school?!? No offense to UCF....but all the insiders are going to say UCF is viewed favorably. But let's assume for a moment....outside of Nova....UCF is the #1 choice of the BE.

So based on what she is saying is by March 1st either a) the BE is going to come out and offer UCF (prior to hearing Nova's findings) or b) the BE is going to walk back their comments about 10 invites and say....oh we only meant 9.

The problem with all of this is Nova doesn't have to be invited to join. It is built into the charter.....Nova and Georgetown can basically move up any time they want.

So the ONLY way this comes out good for UCF is IF.....NOVA has somehow made it very clear behind the scenes.....that they are not moving up. Because, IF UCF were to be invited and then Nova turns around and accepts....now you are at 11.....and we have all discussed you can't have 9 conference games with 11 teams. Plus the football inventory of the 11th team is nowhere as beneficial as that 10th team. Thus....they would HAVE to go to 12 or only play 8 conference games with 11 teams.

Outside of that scenario....what this sounds like is.... the BE is not going to expand past 9 unless Nova decides to accept in April. If they do great....we have 10 teams with 9 conference schedules.....otherwise we have 9 with 8 conference games.

Remember though...over the last several weeks, Big East Commish and WVU's AD said Big East wouldn't wait on an answer from nova to make their next move...so it certainly sounds like the Big East will do something (invite at least 1 more team) prior to Nova making an announcement...because, like you said, Big East already knows that Nova will/has declined their offer...and by doing so before Nova says something publicly, helps Nova's leaders save face (i.e. don't really have to give an answer...they can always say they are studying it).

When the Commish and another AD basically tell the public their expected game plan...odds are...that's what they will do.

(01-08-2011 08:20 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-07-2011 10:19 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  I went back and re-read that and really that does not leave a lot of good options for the CUSA schools.

Of course the sources said the BE views UCF favorably.....would they say anything different about any school?!? No offense to UCF....but all the insiders are going to say UCF is viewed favorably. But let's assume for a moment....outside of Nova....UCF is the #1 choice of the BE.

So based on what she is saying is by March 1st either a) the BE is going to come out and offer UCF (prior to hearing Nova's findings) or b) the BE is going to walk back their comments about 10 invites and say....oh we only meant 9.

The problem with all of this is Nova doesn't have to be invited to join. It is built into the charter.....Nova and Georgetown can basically move up any time they want.

So the ONLY way this comes out good for UCF is IF.....NOVA has somehow made it very clear behind the scenes.....that they are not moving up. Because, IF UCF were to be invited and then Nova turns around and accepts....now you are at 11.....and we have all discussed you can't have 9 conference games with 11 teams. Plus the football inventory of the 11th team is nowhere as beneficial as that 10th team. Thus....they would HAVE to go to 12 or only play 8 conference games with 11 teams.

Outside of that scenario....what this sounds like is.... the BE is not going to expand past 9 unless Nova decides to accept in April. If they do great....we have 10 teams with 9 conference schedules.....otherwise we have 9 with 8 conference games.

Remember though...over the last several weeks, Big East Commish and WVU's AD said Big East wouldn't wait on an answer from nova to make their next move...so it certainly sounds like the Big East will do something (invite at least 1 more team) prior to Nova making an announcement...because, like you said, Big East already knows that Nova will/has declined their offer...and by doing so before Nova says something publicly, helps Nova's leaders save face (i.e. don't really have to give an answer...they can always say they are studying it).

When the Commish and another AD basically tell the public their expected game plan...odds are...that's what they will do.

Possibly....but that is making some assumptions there....1) everything I have heard is that Nova is going to move up...the only people I have heard who mention this "Help Nova save face" routine are Orlando writers.

2) Again for the 3rd time....Luck and Marinatto only said they would not wait on Nova if someone like another TCU became available. They are not telling you anything new there. It would be like if I asked you....so are you just going to wait on your ex-girlfriend to come back to you or are you moving on. Even if you were waiting on your ex, you wouldn't tell me that...you would say...No, I am my own man....I can do whatever I want.

So either your way of looking at it could be accurate OR the Big East could just say....we aren't going to expand past 9....takes all the pressure off Nova. If they want to upgrade in April....great....that is their right and decision....if not...so be it.

Again....the only way this looks good for UCF is if NOVA ensures the BE prior to April....that they are NOT coming up.

I could see UCF being added sometime befoe march first. Then the BE waits on Nova's Decision. UCF/TCU join together in 2012 and if NOVA says yes sometime after the 2012 season the BE will add a 12th team. Maybe by 2012 there will be a stand out cannidate different from what we are talking about now. In 2014 they have 2 more teams joining together also TCU/UCF have been worked into the BE for a couple years.

(01-08-2011 09:39 AM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(01-08-2011 08:20 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-07-2011 10:19 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  I went back and re-read that and really that does not leave a lot of good options for the CUSA schools.

Of course the sources said the BE views UCF favorably.....would they say anything different about any school?!? No offense to UCF....but all the insiders are going to say UCF is viewed favorably. But let's assume for a moment....outside of Nova....UCF is the #1 choice of the BE.

So based on what she is saying is by March 1st either a) the BE is going to come out and offer UCF (prior to hearing Nova's findings) or b) the BE is going to walk back their comments about 10 invites and say....oh we only meant 9.

The problem with all of this is Nova doesn't have to be invited to join. It is built into the charter.....Nova and Georgetown can basically move up any time they want.

So the ONLY way this comes out good for UCF is IF.....NOVA has somehow made it very clear behind the scenes.....that they are not moving up. Because, IF UCF were to be invited and then Nova turns around and accepts....now you are at 11.....and we have all discussed you can't have 9 conference games with 11 teams. Plus the football inventory of the 11th team is nowhere as beneficial as that 10th team. Thus....they would HAVE to go to 12 or only play 8 conference games with 11 teams.

Outside of that scenario....what this sounds like is.... the BE is not going to expand past 9 unless Nova decides to accept in April. If they do great....we have 10 teams with 9 conference schedules.....otherwise we have 9 with 8 conference games.

Remember though...over the last several weeks, Big East Commish and WVU's AD said Big East wouldn't wait on an answer from nova to make their next move...so it certainly sounds like the Big East will do something (invite at least 1 more team) prior to Nova making an announcement...because, like you said, Big East already knows that Nova will/has declined their offer...and by doing so before Nova says something publicly, helps Nova's leaders save face (i.e. don't really have to give an answer...they can always say they are studying it).

When the Commish and another AD basically tell the public their expected game plan...odds are...that's what they will do.

Possibly....but that is making some assumptions there.

No...I wasn't using any assumptions...I was just going off quotes both the Big East Commish and WVU's AD have stated in recent weeks and no...they didn't specify it had to be a team like Top 3 TCU.

(01-08-2011 10:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  No...I wasn't using any assumptions...I was just going off quotes both the Big East Commish and WVU's AD have stated in recent weeks and no...they didn't specify it had to be a team like Top 3 TCU.

Here is the quote you mention from the John Marinatto on 11/29/10 while speaking to Brian Bennett from ESPN:

I asked him if April might be too late for the league, which would like an answer by the end of this year.

"It might be. If a situation arises, we're going to act. We're not going to wait for Villanova. This [TCU] was one of those situations we thought was too good to pass up."

So I guess UCF being available for the Big East is a "Situation that just arose" I guess we better jump on it before the Big 12 snatches them up.

the "situation" he's refering to is B12 implossion or the dream fantasy combo of bc, umd, psu and/or nd.
UCF and the "others" arent going anyway b4 april or may. Plenty of time to wait on nova.

(01-08-2011 10:52 AM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(01-08-2011 10:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  No...I wasn't using any assumptions...I was just going off quotes both the Big East Commish and WVU's AD have stated in recent weeks and no...they didn't specify it had to be a team like Top 3 TCU.

Here is the quote you mention from the John Marinatto on 11/29/10 while speaking to Brian Bennett from ESPN:

I asked him if April might be too late for the league, which would like an answer by the end of this year.

"It might be. If a situation arises, we're going to act. We're not going to wait for Villanova. This [TCU] was one of those situations we thought was too good to pass up."

So I guess UCF being available for the Big East is a "Situation that just arose" I guess we better jump on it before the Big 12 snatches them up.

Dec 11th: Big East Commish

Marinatto said the league was serious about expanding to 10 football teams when it made the Texas Christian announcement in November. The 10th team remains undecided.

"We've told the people from Villanova that we hope they make the decision to move forward but we're certainly not going to wait for it to make that decision," Marinatto said. "It's been a long time since they initially had that discussion. I think they have to do what's best for them. In the Big East, you have to do what's right for the conference overall. If those two intersect from a timing standpoint that's great. If they don't that's OK, too, because we're moving forward.

Also, from WVU AD's Oliver Luck's TV appearance from a few weeks ago...he mentions again that the Big East may not wait for an answer from Nova (comes right out and says Nova doesn't have a stadium) and how the Big East will eventually go to 12 Football teams:

http://www.wvillustrated.com/wvufootball...5909980001