NE Ohio is sucking,
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/economics/20...-kentucky/

What am I missing here? The number of employed residents is up 1.8%, the number of jobs is down 2.2%, yet the unemployment rate was higher in 2009 than it was in 2000...right? The metro area did grow in that period of time, which could be a logical explanation for those numbers, but typically population doesn't grow when jobs are being lost...

But you are right...Ohio sucks in job creation.

Cincinnati rests its laurels on the big corporate presence it already has and isn't all that good at growing new biz (feel free to disagree). I wonder how long before Macy's moves to New York or Atlanta and Chiquita moves to Miami or Atlanta?

BUC, there is at least one small business (i.e., $50mm revenue) that is growing rapidly and hiring as fast as they can.

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(01-06-2011 06:27 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  NE Ohio is sucking,
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/economics/20...-kentucky/

Notice the pattern for Ohio? The greater the (union) factory based industry the larger the job losses, a trend over the last few decades.

While there are private sector businesses, Cowtown [because that's what it would have been without them] benefits from two things: government jobs [state] and higher education [to$u]. Because these two areas are not private sector but are primarily tax funded [for some at to$u 'paying for the privilege' since the vast majority of students have loans/grants/tax-paid scholarships] once again the residents of the state bear the burden in taxes.

Unions are to blame, of course! They always are. Unions are a shell of what they used to be and employers continue to move manufacturing jobs to third world countries where they can control wages and very little workplace regulation takes place. It just is, it's a cycle, our heavy industry will never return so get over it and create new jobs. Not banging on the industries as they have a responsibility to shareholders to maximize profits.
The gap between the rich and poor will grow as the job market shrinks and the middle class loses buying power. Again, it just is and it is going to continue.
I think in our lifetime we will see stuff we never thought we would see again; food riots, energy riots, water......hopefully techno advancement can head all this off at the pass. Is it a doomsday scenario? Sure, but it COULD happen.

Here at home we have a council that allows Ky to take them to the shed while Cincinnati struggles. Seems to be getting a tad better but it is a slow process.

I think the real story is unwritten. The Cin-Mid MSA is the largest in Ohio, ahead of both Cleveland and Columbus.

It is time for us to recognize that fact, and demand the attention we so richly deserve.

Cincinnati-Middletown MSA
Ohio: Brown, Butler, Clermont, Hamilton & Warren Counties
Kentucky:Boone, Bracken, Campbell, Gallatin, Grant, Kenton & Pendleton Counties
Indiana: Dearborn, Franklin & Ohio Counties

I was in Hamilton yesterday and it is pretty tough there. I don't blame any one party for all of this mess we are in, it was a group effort. Only a group effort will get us out of it.

(01-06-2011 11:38 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  I think the real story is unwritten. The Cin-Mid MSA is the largest in Ohio, ahead of both Cleveland and Columbus.

It is time for us to recognize that fact, and demand the attention we so richly deserve.

Cincinnati-Middletown MSA
Ohio: Brown, Butler, Clermont, Hamilton & Warren Counties
Kentucky:Boone, Bracken, Campbell, Gallatin, Grant, Kenton & Pendleton Counties
Indiana: Dearborn, Franklin & Ohio Counties

Somewhere around 2013, Cincinnati-Middletown-Dayton-Springfield will officially be recognized as a Consolidated Statistical Metropolitan Area of over 3 million people, which will make us the 15th largest metropolitan area in The United States.

Yes, we should use our size to get more attention, but statewide and nationally.

I'm wondering why there isn't more coordination of efforts to do so.

(01-06-2011 12:04 PM)beck Wrote:  I was in Hamilton yesterday and it is pretty tough there. I don't blame any one party for all of this mess we are in, it was a group effort. Only a group effort will get us out of it.

Been to Dayton lately? All they have left is the Air Force base.

The list of companies that have left or moved headquarters or closed plants is astounding. Losing one would be big for any city but the extent to which industry has left Dayton is mindboggling:

Iams (bought by P&G, moved headquarters, closed plant)
GM Moraine plant
Cooper Tire plant
Elder Beerman (corporate headquarters)
Delco
Lexis Nexis (headquarters moved to NYC)
Mead (bought by WestVaco)
NCR (moved headquarters to Atlanta)

(01-06-2011 08:25 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  BUC, there is at least one small business (i.e., $50mm revenue) that is growing rapidly and hiring as fast as they can.

I'm intrigued. Trying here to figure out what industry it's in...health care? Defense/government contracting?

(01-06-2011 01:00 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 08:25 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  BUC, there is at least one small business (i.e., $50mm revenue) that is growing rapidly and hiring as fast as they can.

I'm intrigued. Trying here to figure out what industry it's in...health care? Defense/government contracting?

Its some of that/there IT techy thingy stuff.

Here are some crazy numbers for Austin, and Texas overall is listed also.


Population Growth 1999-2009


From 2000-2009 Austin MSA added 500,000 new residents.

http://www.austinchamber.com/DoBusiness/...ation.html

(01-06-2011 01:55 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Here are some crazy numbers for Austin, and Texas overall is listed also.


Population Growth 1999-2009


From 2000-2009 Austin MSA added 500,000 new residents.

http://www.austinchamber.com/DoBusiness/...ation.html

I just went to Austin over Labor Day. An energetic, educated, young city. Lots of job growth. Makes us look like a dead zone.

Last night one of the public tv stations had a show about Phoenix and its phenomenal growth - 100,000 a year this decade. They grew a half a Cincinnati metro area in the space of 10 years.

(01-06-2011 01:27 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 01:00 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 08:25 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  BUC, there is at least one small business (i.e., $50mm revenue) that is growing rapidly and hiring as fast as they can.

I'm intrigued. Trying here to figure out what industry it's in...health care? Defense/government contracting?

Its some of that/there IT techy thingy stuff.

Would you perhaps know any of the cadre of this small business?

(01-06-2011 10:16 AM)UCBEast Wrote:  Notice the pattern for Ohio? The greater the (union) factory based industry the larger the job losses, a trend over the last few decades.

While there are private sector businesses, Cowtown [because that's what it would have been without them] benefits from two things: government jobs [state] and higher education [to$u]. Because these two areas are not private sector but are primarily tax funded [for some at to$u 'paying for the privilege' since the vast majority of students have loans/grants/tax-paid scholarships] once again the residents of the state bear the burden in taxes.

Unions should be a target of some of the blame, but I would blame a larger focus on NE Ohio's dependence on blue collar jobs in general instead of just unions.

Blue collar, and basic white collar positions, have grabbed their passport and moved on, but for the most part were eliminated due to tremendous gains in efficiencies over the past decade.

I grew up in Youngstown, and it was piss poor in the 80's. I couldn't go back there even if I wanted to.

Totally agree on the government and education buffers cowtown has but Cincy has this as well.

(01-06-2011 03:41 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 01:27 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 01:00 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 08:25 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  BUC, there is at least one small business (i.e., $50mm revenue) that is growing rapidly and hiring as fast as they can.

I'm intrigued. Trying here to figure out what industry it's in...health care? Defense/government contracting?

Its some of that/there IT techy thingy stuff.

Would you perhaps know any of the cadre of this small business?

Some of them.

(01-06-2011 04:02 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 03:41 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 01:27 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 01:00 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 08:25 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  BUC, there is at least one small business (i.e., $50mm revenue) that is growing rapidly and hiring as fast as they can.

I'm intrigued. Trying here to figure out what industry it's in...health care? Defense/government contracting?

Its some of that/there IT techy thingy stuff.

Would you perhaps know any of the cadre of this small business?

Some of them.

Any X grads at this mystery firm

1 finance guy, 1 salesrep, and 1 marketing person.

Arizona is a "Right to Work" state and that has had a huge mpact on their manufacturing growth. Out of curiosity do these numbers reflect only legal residents of the US..? I know AZ and TX has a huge number of illegal immigrants.

(01-07-2011 11:44 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  Arizona is a "Right to Work" state and that has had a huge mpact on their manufacturing growth. Out of curiosity do these numbers reflect only legal residents of the US..? I know AZ and TX has a huge number of illegal immigrants.

Probably based off of Census data?