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(01-05-2011 05:01 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Your data shows only a couple SU items. But it also shows that SU gets alot of attention in Buffalo, which means that SU has alot of fans in Buffalo.

Regarding the International Bowl game ratings, it shows alot of folks in Buffalo were interested in that game as well they should be. I would think that if the University of Rochester or RIT were playing big time fbs fb, and went to their first bowl ever, they would get similar high ratrings in Rochester, simply for the novelty, because its Rochesters team, going to a bowl. I would definitly watch it. That wouldnt mean that there are not alot of SU fans in Rochester.

Please read my post above. SU has some fans, but not more than UB. UB's title games in both sports outdrew SU's Sweet 16 game on a Thursday night. SU football does not outdraw UB football. I know you visit here, but I've lived here 14 years. SU represents decently with the locals, but UB has shown, when we are playing important FB and BB contests, we can outdraw any other college here, as we should.
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(01-05-2011 05:11 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(01-05-2011 05:01 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Your data shows only a couple SU items. But it also shows that SU gets alot of attention in Buffalo, which means that SU has alot of fans in Buffalo.

Regarding the International Bowl game ratings, it shows alot of folks in Buffalo were interested in that game as well they should be. I would think that if the University of Rochester or RIT were playing big time fbs fb, and went to their first bowl ever, they would get similar high ratrings in Rochester, simply for the novelty, because its Rochesters team, going to a bowl. I would definitly watch it. That wouldnt mean that there are not alot of SU fans in Rochester.

Please read my post above. SU hs some fans, but not more than UB. UB's title games in both sports outdrew SU's Sweet 16 game on a Thursday night. SU football does not outdraw UB football. I know you visit here, but I've lived here 14 years. SU represents decently with the locals, but UB has shown, when we are playing important FB and BB contests, we can outdraw any other college here, as we should.

Again, I will say that my argument is not that SU draws better tv ratings than Buffalo, I said that when I originally responded to your post. My point is that there are alot of SU fans in Buffalo. I see all of the SU gear all of the time. But as TexasMark says, I would love to get the ratings of SU games in Buffalo this year. I imagine that they will be higher than in previous years.
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(01-05-2011 05:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Again, I will say that my argument is not that SU draws better tv ratings than Buffalo, I said that when I originally responded to your post. My point is that there are alot of SU fans in Buffalo. I see all of the SU gear all of the time. But as TexasMark says, I would love to get the ratings of SU games in Buffalo this year. I imagine that they will be higher than in previous years.

My range of 2-4.7 for SU games includes the 2010 season, just not the Pinstripe Bowl. I've seen the numbers but do not have the exact citations saved to my computer.

My frustration is with you insinuating that SU drawing good ratings would be a given due to assumed superior quality, while UB drawing well is due to some sort of curious interest, like your RIT and U of R example. In Buffalo, a huge chunk of people live for Bills and NFL, and see NCAA football as uninteresting since they are unaffliated with UB. The same with Sabres fans. SU has its local market because it is the "pro team", with loads of T-shirt fans. We don't have many non-UB affliated fans here. UB's fans are UB fans. We don't have the consistancy so they all come out to games, but the cable numbers show they will at least watch in large numbers. I'm one. I live 5 minutes from North Campus. I don't have the funds or time to go to many games, and I've only traveled to 1 BB title game and the I-Bowl. I can't afford the luxury, so my wife and I watch when we can't go.
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(01-05-2011 05:35 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(01-05-2011 05:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Again, I will say that my argument is not that SU draws better tv ratings than Buffalo, I said that when I originally responded to your post. My point is that there are alot of SU fans in Buffalo. I see all of the SU gear all of the time. But as TexasMark says, I would love to get the ratings of SU games in Buffalo this year. I imagine that they will be higher than in previous years.

My range of 2-4.7 for SU games includes the 2010 season, just not the Pinstripe Bowl. I've seen the numbers but do not have the exact citations saved to my computer.

My frustration is with you insinuating that SU drawing good ratings would be a given due to assumed superior quality, while UB drawing well is due to some sort of curious interest, like your RIT and U of R example. In Buffalo, a huge chunk of people live for Bills and NFL, and see NCAA football as uninteresting since they are unaffliated with UB. The same with Sabres fans. SU has its local market because it is the "pro team", with loads of T-shirt fans. We don't have many non-UB affliated fans here. UB's fans are UB fans. We don't have the consistancy so they all come out to games, but the cable numbers show they will at least watch in large numbers. I'm one. I live 5 minutes from North Campus. I don't have the funds or time to go to many games, and I've only traveled to 1 BB title game and the I-Bowl. I can't afford the luxury, so my wife and I watch when we can't go.

Well, I do believe that to be the case, lol. I'm sorry if my beliefs frustrate you.

But to be honest, there are a significant group in Rochester who live for the Buffalo Bills. Im not one of them as I am a casual NFL fan and I root for the Bills and The Giants and The Jets. I read somewhere, possibly the Rochester D&C a couple of years ago that on average at any Bills game about 32% of those in attendance are from the Rochester area.
In Rochester, you are a Buffalo Bills fan, a Syracuse fan, or both. Then there are alot of Giants, Jets and Cleveland and Pittsburgh fans. As far as basketball goes, there are a surprisingly high number of Georgetown fans here.
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Outside of Buffalo, nobody gives a sh!t about Buffalo. And so matters will remain for the foreseeable future...
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(01-05-2011 06:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Well, I do believe that to be the case, lol. I'm sorry if my beliefs frustrate you.

Because the beliefs of some people will always frustrate those of us who rely on logic and reasoning. Belief is the realm of religion, superstitions, and conspiracies. Just because you 'have a feeling' something is the case, it does not trump numbers. UB's 16.5 rating could have been a fluke, but not when at least 3 other ESPN2 events also drew more than 10% of local viewership.

On the Bills, 32% is a high number from Roch. The numbers I've read are ~15,000 are from Southern Ontario, with 5-8,000 from Rochester. Case in point:

The key inroads the team has made in regionalizing the franchise, especially into the Rochester area and Southern Ontario, which together make up more than 20 percent of the team’s season-ticket base. Buffalo News

And Bills ratings are strong in Rochester, but it's only half that of Buffalo's numbers.

"On local TV, ratings by The Nielsen Company showed that when the Bills played at 1 p.m. on a Sunday in November 2009, WROC-TV averaged a 20.0 rating. That means 20 percent of all area households with televisions tuned in to the Bills. In the same timeslot, the NFL game on WUHF not involving the Bills earned a 7.1 rating." D&C

That's how Rochester and Buffalo differ. Buffalo is far more NFL mad. SU can make their inroads in Rochester, as you say, because more people follow them, and other pro/college teams. There are 5X more SU alums there, and far more 't-shirt fans'. The Rochester evening news reports on SU results. Buffalo media rarely does, but they always report UB results.
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Which team gets better ratings in Buffalo, I have said, that is not what I am debating. But that SU also has alot of fans in Buffalo. Many more fans than you care to admit. An SU fb game that gets a 4.7 rating in Buffalo shows that there are alot of SU fans in Buffalo. Doesnt matter how high Buffalo's ratings are for a bowl game.
And you keep talking about alums.

The number of SU alums in Buffalo or Rochester doesnt matter either since the alums make up a very, very small fraction of folks that follow SU. SU is a medium size private school in Syracuse, yet when a bb game is played on tv there are literally millions of New Yorkers watching that game. SU does not have millions of living alumni. I would be surprised if there are more than 150,000 worldwide.
So if you keep basing your argument on the amount of interest that SU gets in Buffalo on the amount of folks who actually attended SU, who live in Buffalo, that is pretty faulty reasonings. UB may be a State School, but it is SU that gets treated like a state school as far as media and fan interest is concerned. That is why all the major online UpState Newspapers, including the Buffalo News, have links to SU's website. That is why SU fb and bb games are broadcasted statewide on SNY, and Time Warner.
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(01-06-2011 09:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Which team gets better ratings in Buffalo, I have said, that is not what I am debating. But that SU also has alot of fans in Buffalo. Many more fans than you care to admit. An SU fb game that gets a 4.7 rating in Buffalo shows that there are alot of SU fans in Buffalo. Doesnt matter how high Buffalo's ratings are for a bowl game.
And you keep talking about alums.

The number of SU alums in Buffalo or Rochester doesnt matter either since the alums make up a very, very small fraction of folks that follow SU. SU is a medium size private school in Syracuse, yet when a bb game is played on tv there are literally millions of New Yorkers watching that game. SU does not have millions of living alumni. I would be surprised if there are more than 150,000 worldwide.
So if you keep basing your argument on the amount of interest that SU gets in Buffalo on the amount of folks who actually attended SU, who live in Buffalo, that is pretty faulty reasonings. UB may be a State School, but it is SU that gets treated like a state school as far as media and fan interest is concerned. That is why all the major online UpState Newspapers, including the Buffalo News, have links to SU's website. That is why SU fb and bb games are broadcasted statewide on SNY, and Time Warner.

You need to actually follow the Buffalo media to understand how things work here and how I come to my conclusions. See any link to SU or a SU page on the News' college page? There is in the D&C

SU's SNY deal is part of the Big East package, not something specific to NY's regions. SU has very few FB games shown here on TWCS, while UB had the majority shown here and our home games were shown in Rochester. There are no more SU BB games shown here than Big 4 games. When I'm with my wife's family in Utica, TWCS there shows SU FB and BB replays and classic games most of the day. It's the same in Binghamton, and SU gets great coverage in Albany. TWCS Buffalo does not have wall-to-wall SU like that, because we have a lot of Bills programming. SU FB getting a 4.7 was the best I've seen, and SU numbers were no better than Big 10 afternoon games on ESPN/ESPN2 here. That's why I say SU does not have the fan numbers there are in other upstate metros, that you believe are here.

I'm not saying SU does not have fans here. I'm pointing out that UB securely controls this market for college football over every other entity, and it together with the Big 4 are the dominant college basketball entity. SU is not treated like 'the state school' here by our media and local merchandisers. It is in from Rochester east. Just be pleased with that, as SU certainly is based on their revenues.
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(01-07-2011 03:59 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(01-06-2011 09:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Which team gets better ratings in Buffalo, I have said, that is not what I am debating. But that SU also has alot of fans in Buffalo. Many more fans than you care to admit. An SU fb game that gets a 4.7 rating in Buffalo shows that there are alot of SU fans in Buffalo. Doesnt matter how high Buffalo's ratings are for a bowl game.
And you keep talking about alums.

The number of SU alums in Buffalo or Rochester doesnt matter either since the alums make up a very, very small fraction of folks that follow SU. SU is a medium size private school in Syracuse, yet when a bb game is played on tv there are literally millions of New Yorkers watching that game. SU does not have millions of living alumni. I would be surprised if there are more than 150,000 worldwide.
So if you keep basing your argument on the amount of interest that SU gets in Buffalo on the amount of folks who actually attended SU, who live in Buffalo, that is pretty faulty reasonings. UB may be a State School, but it is SU that gets treated like a state school as far as media and fan interest is concerned. That is why all the major online UpState Newspapers, including the Buffalo News, have links to SU's website. That is why SU fb and bb games are broadcasted statewide on SNY, and Time Warner.

You need to actually follow the Buffalo media to understand how things work here and how I come to my conclusions. See any link to SU or a SU page on the News' college page? There is in the D&C

SU's SNY deal is part of the Big East package, not something specific to NY's regions. SU has very few FB games shown here on TWCS, while UB had the majority shown here and our home games were shown in Rochester. There are no more SU BB games shown here than Big 4 games. When I'm with my wife's family in Utica, TWCS there shows SU FB and BB replays and classic games most of the day. It's the same in Binghamton, and SU gets great coverage in Albany. TWCS Buffalo does not have wall-to-wall SU like that, because we have a lot of Bills programming. SU FB getting a 4.7 was the best I've seen, and SU numbers were no better than Big 10 afternoon games on ESPN/ESPN2 here. That's why I say SU does not have the fan numbers there are in other upstate metros, that you believe are here.

I'm not saying SU does not have fans here. I'm pointing out that UB securely controls this market for college football over every other entity, and it together with the Big 4 are the dominant college basketball entity. SU is not treated like 'the state school' here by our media and local merchandisers. It is in from Rochester east. Just be pleased with that, as SU certainly is based on their revenues.

We will have to just agree to disagree. I see alot of SU fans on a regular basis in my travels to Buffalo. Up until Aril 2010, there was a direct link to the SU website from the Buffalo News. I think you know this to be true, because I brought this point up back in April 2010 in THIS THREAD http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=43...pid5363980, which you did not object to.

What is this Big 4 that you speak of?
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