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RE: Why is UALR a "graveyard" for coaches?
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RE: Why is UALR a "graveyard" for coaches?
(12-25-2010 04:53 PM)mjs Wrote: (12-25-2010 03:43 PM)insideualr Wrote: if this job were to open up there would be plenty of coaches that could take it tothe ncaa lined up to take it. the are about 350 d1 jobs. plenty of bcs asisstants would take a cut in pay tohave a chane to make it .
You're right. Some would and some wouldn't. I do agree that it would be exciting to me, and I'm sure others on this board, to go through a real coaching search. Unfortunately, the vast majority of folks in Little Rock couldn't care less. Hiring an assistant would bring a collective yawn from the folks in Central Arkansas. However, we already found that hiring a legend (Sidney) did not help us and hiring a well-known, successful retread (Wimp) was only marginally successful. So I would assume that if we do have an opening in the future. we will likely go the assistant route. At this point I feel that we will do relatively well in conference this year, and Steve will be in a position to take us to the next level next season with Will Neighbour and the other recruits.
If history is any measuring stick, I'd say moving an assistant over one seat is what we'd do. That's Chris' MO.
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12-25-2010 05:59 PM |
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RE: Why is UALR a "graveyard" for coaches?
Just speculating....... Who would move over in everyones opinion, Joe Kleine, Charles Cunningham, or Joe Golding
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12-25-2010 06:14 PM |
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RE: Why is UALR a "graveyard" for coaches?
(12-25-2010 06:14 PM)Karl B Wrote: Just speculating....... Who would move over in everyones opinion, Joe Kleine, Charles Cunningham, or Joe Golding
I have no idea. Like some others, if and when we ever make a change, I want a clean sweep. Bring in someone who has his own folks, or who will hire his own. Surprisingly, if asked right now who I might choose if the new coach came from the present staff, it might be Joe Golding. He's been around awhile, is young enough to be hungry and might be likeable enough to generate some fan support. Joe doesn't like to leave and recruit, so I've heard, and Cunningham, although very nice guy, probably is a little older and too laid back to do what we need to do.
Just my opinion.
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12-25-2010 06:18 PM |
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RE: Why is UALR a "graveyard" for coaches?
(12-25-2010 05:23 PM)PTJR Wrote: (12-25-2010 04:53 PM)mjs Wrote: (12-25-2010 03:43 PM)insideualr Wrote: if this job were to open up there would be plenty of coaches that could take it tothe ncaa lined up to take it. the are about 350 d1 jobs. plenty of bcs asisstants would take a cut in pay tohave a chane to make it .
You're right. Some would and some wouldn't. I do agree that it would be exciting to me, and I'm sure others on this board, to go through a real coaching search. Unfortunately, the vast majority of folks in Little Rock couldn't care less. Hiring an assistant would bring a collective yawn from the folks in Central Arkansas. However, we already found that hiring a legend (Sidney) did not help us and hiring a well-known, successful retread (Wimp) was only marginally successful. So I would assume that if we do have an opening in the future. we will likely go the assistant route. At this point I feel that we will do relatively well in conference this year, and Steve will be in a position to take us to the next level next season with Will Neighbour and the other recruits.
Since we have been following the team MJS, and that's pretty much for the entire Division I history of the program, only the guy who won and took the team to postseason has gotten the community fired up. I don't care if Coach K came in here. If he put a medicore product on the floor that wasn't fun to watch and didn't go to post season play, there would be nothing but a yawn from the community.
Newell is the only coach that we have ever had that did all three things: WIN at lot, FUN to watch, and regularly took the program to POST SEASON PLAY. Community support was really pretty remarkable when he was doing all of those things. I have no doubt that it would be again for any coach who did the same, whether initially his name was known or not.
You may be right. I'm just not so sure at this point. Hopefully one day we can find out. The only thing I disagree on is the support being "remarkable". Don't you remember having to beg people to buy season tickets to save the program? Tickets that were $75 at the time. Don't you remember Newell bitching about attendance? I remember he was trying to figure out a way to curtain off both ends of Barton. Don't you remember us announcing sell-outs at the Statehouse at 4800, when in actuality it sat about 2000-2500 at best? Yes there was a lot more excitement with Newell, but the community support has always been a disappointment to me.
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12-25-2010 08:01 PM |
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RE: Why is UALR a "graveyard" for coaches?
(12-25-2010 05:59 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: (12-25-2010 04:53 PM)mjs Wrote: (12-25-2010 03:43 PM)insideualr Wrote: if this job were to open up there would be plenty of coaches that could take it tothe ncaa lined up to take it. the are about 350 d1 jobs. plenty of bcs asisstants would take a cut in pay tohave a chane to make it .
You're right. Some would and some wouldn't. I do agree that it would be exciting to me, and I'm sure others on this board, to go through a real coaching search. Unfortunately, the vast majority of folks in Little Rock couldn't care less. Hiring an assistant would bring a collective yawn from the folks in Central Arkansas. However, we already found that hiring a legend (Sidney) did not help us and hiring a well-known, successful retread (Wimp) was only marginally successful. So I would assume that if we do have an opening in the future. we will likely go the assistant route. At this point I feel that we will do relatively well in conference this year, and Steve will be in a position to take us to the next level next season with Will Neighbour and the other recruits.
If history is any measuring stick, I'd say moving an assistant over one seat is what we'd do. That's Chris' MO.
As Peterson has only picked one head men's basketball coach, I'm not sure any pattern has been established there. I do know that Peterson will want his thumb on top of whoever is the head coach, so the senario you propose is certainly not out of the question. I'm not sure that Kline has the inclination to spend the time that it would take to be a head coach. And the other guys haven't demonstrated anything that I know of that would make them the right pick either. But until Peterson decides it is time for a change, were all wasting our breath on this subject in any event, as our AD doesn't want real imput from anyone else. Maybe Peterson thinks he knows enough about college basketball to make himself the head coach. That way he will have only himself to blame and manipulate!
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12-25-2010 09:32 PM |
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RE: Why is UALR a "graveyard" for coaches?
(12-23-2010 10:40 AM)mjs Wrote: In over 30 years of DI basketball we have never had a coach at UALR leave and be successful anywhere else. Not really sure why that is- I guess it could be argued we have never hired the "right" guy. Would a young, "big time" assistant who is looking to move up the ranks come here? Possibly. But, a coach who does his research might wait for a job like Tulsa or WKU- schools that have a long history of coaches going on to the BCS level.
Is the SBC like the Roach Motel? They come in but they never go out?
Well not very often anyway.
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12-26-2010 12:10 PM |
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