Has anyone here seen TO play besides Boca... Seriously the kid is like Mike Vick, he threw too hard the first game he got into against Wyoming when he led UT back to a 4th Qtr 15-20 loss instead of the shutout when Dantin was playing. He doesn't run as well but he is 6"4, can throw harder than anyone non AQ and is pretty darn accurate. Just wait and see. A heck of alot better than FIU's 13 int QB. If he isn't careful Toledo will eat him up and the game will get out of hand. The only way FIU beats Toledo is if they keep EP out of the kicking game and block punts, and kicks.
(12-22-2010 08:38 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: Fr RS QB Terrence Owens has come in for 4 games
and gone 68 completions for 110 attempts, passed for 949 yds, 11 TDs/ 2 Ints. That's a NCAA Passing Efficiency rating of 167.0872. If he had enough games to qualify he'd be ranked the nation's #5 passing efficiency QB behind Cam Newton, Kellen Moore,Ryan Mallett, and Scott Tolzien.
You can't outsmart me by not thinking things through. It's a reoccurring theme around here that people either don't do their homework, or they try to make something look a lot better than it is.
You played three MAC teams that went 2-10 and 3-9 for a combined 7-30 and an NIU team that went 10-3 for 17-33. But it's important to note that 3 of the 4 games you're bragging about were against three 2-10 and 3-9 MAC teams. The NIU game doesn't make up for the three teams your RF QB padded his stats on. Here are the games you hang your hat on about your QB being right up there with Cam Newton and Ryan Mallet:
Owens QB ratings Last Four Games:
Eastern Michigan (2-10): 285.71
Northern Illinois (10-3): 100.59
Bowling Green (2-10): 158.00
Central Michigan (3-9): 185.74
Going back and rechecking my research, CMU is actually 3-9, not 2-10. But it makes no difference. When it matters Toledo plays like crap. You can't tell me Owens even remotely belongs with Cam Newton and Ryan Mallet when he's only done well against terrible MAC teams. The game against Eastern Michigan where Owens racked up 285.71 was against a squad that ranks second to last (119th) in PED, and skewed his stats tremendously. Bowling Green is 91st in PED, and CMU is 64th. Not great PED teams. NIU was 33rd, but Owens struggled there. FIU is 45th, close to NIU's and way better than the three garbage MAC teams Toledo played.
Toledo also lost to a 3-9 Wyoming team, and were blown out by the two really good teams on their schedule, as well as NIU. Toledo can't say if they had their RF QB they would have faired better because his stats are made by playing terrible teams. In the last 6 games, the schedule got progressively easier, giving Toledo a false sense of security going into the FIU game. FIU isn't a 3-9 team that you scraped by in the season finale, it's one of the better 6-6 teams out there. Better be ready.
Scott Satterfield FIU's OC said Owens was going to be one of the nation's best QB's. NIU was Owen's first start.
I'm glad you love the guy. I would too, trust me. I know how fandom works, so I'm not knocking you. But really, he played the worst teams in the country, of course he looks like Brett Farve. Coaches always talk up their opponents, its what they do. Blakeney always talks about "that guy is a real player and could start anywhere in the SEC" and then we beat the hell out of them. It's coach speak so they don't look like egocentric idiots.
I thought game 9 was his first start as the previous guy only played 8. I thought NIU was game 10. Maybe I'm wrong.
(12-23-2010 12:10 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: Has anyone here seen TO play besides Boca... Seriously the kid is like Mike Vick, he threw too hard the first game he got into against Wyoming when he led UT back to a 4th Qtr 15-20 loss instead of the shutout when Dantin was playing. He doesn't run as well but he is 6"4, can throw harder than anyone non AQ and is pretty darn accurate. Just wait and see. A heck of alot better than FIU's 13 int QB. If he isn't careful Toledo will eat him up and the game will get out of hand. The only way FIU beats Toledo is if they keep EP out of the kicking game and block punts, and kicks.
A lot of quarterbacks can be very accurate when the opposing cornerbacks and safeties are miles away from the receiving routes. You're right, I wasn't there to see it, but the records and Pass Eff Def ratings of the squads he played against lead me to believe they made it real easy for Owens.
Why are Sun belt fans acting like they play against tougher compitition, FIU's QB through 13 ints against the same competition.....!! the SBC and MAC are basically equal, actually I believe the MAC is better but I will wait out the last bowl games until I make that statement.
(12-23-2010 01:11 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: Why are Sun belt fans acting like they play against tougher compitition, FIU's QB through 13 ints against the same competition.....!! the SBC and MAC are basically equal, actually I believe the MAC is better but I will wait out the last bowl games until I make that statement.
Whoa now, I did say FIU would probably win earlier, but going through the stats, I think both teams are even. What I am getting at here, is that Toledo has yet to prove they're some giant killer. They've faired ok against subpar competition.
I do think FIU's competition was a little better in the fact that they played much better against their non-conference foes, and had less 1-11 and 2-10 on the schedule. While FIU might not be world beaters, I have yet to see how Toledo could possibly be any better like you guys say they are.
The SBC champs have 2 conferance losses...
We will see how the SBC does in their last bowl games, but I think if the MAC put the top 3 against the SBC top 3 it would be a more fair comparison. NIU-Troy,,,,,, Miami-FIU,,,,,, Toledo-MTSU. To be honest the MAC should win all of those.
Top to bottom tho seing how the bottom dwellers only lose by 7 to confereance leaders it would not be a leap to say the SBC is better all around.... I do believe Ark State is better than EMU and Ball State. But the difference is the MAC has stand outs that step away from those bottom teams and the SBC does not.
(12-23-2010 02:42 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: The SBC champs have 2 conferance losses...
We will see how the SBC does in their last bowl games, but I think if the MAC put the top 3 against the SBC top 3 it would be a more fair comparison. NIU-Troy,,,,,, Miami-FIU,,,,,, Toledo-MTSU. To be honest the MAC should win all of those.
Top to bottom tho seing how the bottom dwellers only lose by 7 to confereance leaders it would not be a leap to say the SBC is better all around.... I do believe Ark State is better than EMU and Ball State. But the difference is the MAC has stand outs that step away from those bottom teams and the SBC does not.
FIU is the SBC #1, not sure why you keep putting them ahead of Troy. They were beating Troy at Troy 31-7. So it's SBC #1 vs MAC #3, seems like a fair match with a slight edge to the SBC #1 based on OOC Play. If anything gives you an edge I'll say it's that you're 8-2 in bowl games (so I've heard). That's pretty impressive. I also heard you've sold 37,000 Tickets, which is quite a feat. Toledo should have the home crowd advantage. I still think FIU will be better than expected, as long as their football team doesn't share the sour grapes of their fans (which seems to have subsided, the fans aren't quite as angry anymore). Sohuld be a good game.
(12-22-2010 08:38 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: Fr RS QB Terrence Owens has come in for 4 games
and gone 68 completions for 110 attempts, passed for 949 yds, 11 TDs/ 2 Ints. That's a NCAA Passing Efficiency rating of 167.0872. If he had enough games to qualify he'd be ranked the nation's #5 passing efficiency QB behind Cam Newton, Kellen Moore,Ryan Mallett, and Scott Tolzien.
You can't outsmart me by not thinking things through. It's a reoccurring theme around here that people either don't do their homework, or they try to make something look a lot better than it is.
You played three MAC teams that went 2-10 and 3-9 for a combined 7-30 and an NIU team that went 10-3 for 17-33. But it's important to note that 3 of the 4 games you're bragging about were against three 2-10 and 3-9 MAC teams. The NIU game doesn't make up for the three teams your RF QB padded his stats on. Here are the games you hang your hat on about your QB being right up there with Cam Newton and Ryan Mallet:
Owens QB ratings Last Four Games:
Eastern Michigan (2-10): 285.71
Northern Illinois (10-3): 100.59
Bowling Green (2-10): 158.00
Central Michigan (3-9): 185.74
Going back and rechecking my research, CMU is actually 3-9, not 2-10. But it makes no difference. When it matters Toledo plays like crap. You can't tell me Owens even remotely belongs with Cam Newton and Ryan Mallet when he's only done well against terrible MAC teams. The game against Eastern Michigan where Owens racked up 285.71 was against a squad that ranks second to last (119th) in PED, and skewed his stats tremendously. Bowling Green is 91st in PED, and CMU is 64th. Not great PED teams. NIU was 33rd, but Owens struggled there. FIU is 45th, close to NIU's and way better than the three garbage MAC teams Toledo played.
Toledo also lost to a 3-9 Wyoming team, and were blown out by the two really good teams on their schedule, as well as NIU. Toledo can't say if they had their RF QB they would have faired better because his stats are made by playing terrible teams. In the last 6 games, the schedule got progressively easier, giving Toledo a false sense of security going into the FIU game. FIU isn't a 3-9 team that you scraped by in the season finale, it's one of the better 6-6 teams out there. Better be ready.
Scott Satterfield FIU's OC said Owens was going to be one of the nation's best QB's. NIU was Owen's first start.
I'm glad you love the guy. I would too, trust me. I know how fandom works, so I'm not knocking you. But really, he played the worst teams in the country, of course he looks like Brett Farve. Coaches always talk up their opponents, its what they do. Blakeney always talks about "that guy is a real player and could start anywhere in the SEC" and then we beat the hell out of them. It's coach speak so they don't look like egocentric idiots.
I thought game 9 was his first start as the previous guy only played 8. I thought NIU was game 10. Maybe I'm wrong.
Dantin was knocked out of the game the second possession for Toledo in game #9. Game #10(NIU) was Owens first start. Satterfield wasn't talking up an opponent. It was said a year ago when Satterfield was Owens QB Coach/Passing Coordinator at Toledo and Owens was being red-shirted.Satterfield developed Armanti Edwards at ASU.
(12-23-2010 01:11 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: Why are Sun belt fans acting like they play against tougher compitition, FIU's QB through 13 ints against the same competition.....!! the SBC and MAC are basically equal, actually I believe the MAC is better but I will wait out the last bowl games until I make that statement.
I don't know about the Sun Belt Conference as a whole, but I would have to agree that FIU has played a stronger schedule than Toledo. So has Troy for that matter.
An ugly loss to Wyoming and blowout losses to Northern Illinois and Arizona has me thinking that Toledo can be beat by any of the Sun Belt's bowl teams.
I don't know that Toledo's defense will be able to contain FIU's offense. FIU will likely score often. I think the key matchup will be FIU's defense against Toledo's offense. If FIU can do a reasonable job of shutting down Toledo and keeping them off the scoreboard, this game may not be the shootout that it has the potential to be.
(12-23-2010 01:11 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: Why are Sun belt fans acting like they play against tougher compitition, FIU's QB through 13 ints against the same competition.....!! the SBC and MAC are basically equal, actually I believe the MAC is better but I will wait out the last bowl games until I make that statement.
I don't know about the Sun Belt Conference as a whole, but I would have to agree that FIU has played a stronger schedule than Toledo. So has Troy for that matter.
An ugly loss to Wyoming and blowout losses to Northern Illinois and Arizona has me thinking that Toledo can be beat by any of the Sun Belt's bowl teams.
I don't know that Toledo's defense will be able to contain FIU's offense. FIU will likely score often. I think the key matchup will be FIU's defense against Toledo's offense. If FIU can do a reasonable job of shutting down Toledo and keeping them off the scoreboard, this game may not be the shootout that it has the potential to be.
This is the NCAA's Stats "Strength of Schedule" for the FBS Division based upon min 9 interdivision games sorted cumulative opposition through Dec 10, 2010.
-MAC and Sun Belt Bowl teams:
#119 MTSU
#116 Miami O.
#114 NIU
#112 Troy
#108 FIU
#107 Toledo
#106 Ohio U
(12-23-2010 06:41 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: This is the NCAA's Stats "Strength of Schedule" for the FBS Division based upon min 9 interdivision games sorted cumulative opposition through Dec 10, 2010.
-MAC and Sun Belt Bowl teams:
#119 MTSU
#116 Miami O.
#114 NIU
#112 Troy
#108 FIU
#107 Toledo
#106 Ohio U
It's amazing how these rankings can be scewed simply based on national perception. I am convinced that if FIU and Troy won every game that they lost, you'd see a drastic increase in their strength of schedules. The only reason these teams are ranked so low, is because they played "perceivably weak teams" and lost. You'll notice that practically every member of the Sun Belt is ranked 100 and below, and that's only because the nation perceives the Sun Belt to be the weakest conference in America. As a whole, maybe it is, but that's still a very dangerous assumption to group an entire conference in the depths of the FBS rankings. That's just not the reality of this issue. According to these Strength of Schedule rankings that you provided, Boca Rocket, Ohio was positioned six places higher than their bowl opponent, Troy, and yet the Bobcats still got systematically dismantled in every way, shape, and form by this team who supposedly played the "easier" schedule.
If a Troy can beat an Ohio who is positioned six places above them in a Strength of Schedule rating, then what do you think the odds will be for a Toledo who is only one place above Florida International or Miami of Ohio who is only three places above Middle Tennessee State according to the same rankings?
(12-23-2010 06:41 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: This is the NCAA's Stats "Strength of Schedule" for the FBS Division based upon min 9 interdivision games sorted cumulative opposition through Dec 10, 2010.
-MAC and Sun Belt Bowl teams:
#119 MTSU
#116 Miami O.
#114 NIU
#112 Troy
#108 FIU
#107 Toledo
#106 Ohio U
It's amazing how these rankings can be scewed simply based on national perception. I am convinced that if FIU and Troy won every game that they lost, you'd see a drastic increase in their strength of schedules. The only reason these teams are ranked so low, is because they played "perceivably weak teams" and lost. You'll notice that practically every member of the Sun Belt is ranked 100 and below, and that's only because the nation perceives the Sun Belt to be the weakest conference in America. As a whole, maybe it is, but that's still a very dangerous assumption to group an entire conference in the depths of the FBS rankings. That's just not the reality of this issue. According to these Strength of Schedule rankings that you provided, Boca Rocket, Ohio was positioned six places higher than their bowl opponent, Troy, and yet the Bobcats still got systematically dismantled in every way, shape, and form by this team who supposedly played the "easier" schedule.
If a Troy can beat an Ohio who is positioned six places above them in a Strength of Schedule rating, then what do you think the odds will be for a Toledo who is only one place above Florida International or Miami of Ohio who is only three places above Middle Tennessee State according to the same rankings?
Minnesota has the #6 toughest schedule, Oregon the #58th, or NIU #116 and Fresno St. #70. To see the MAC and Sun Belt Bowl teams in a cluster like that tells me SOS is a non-issue.
FIU is staying at the Doubletree Suites-Ft Shelby. Some nice digs. A historic downtown hi-rise hotel with about $80,000,000+ of renovations 2 yrs ago.The team and staff will like it.
(This post was last modified: 12-23-2010 11:02 AM by Boca Rocket.)
Please, no more talk of SOS...it's kinda irrelevant right now. It's a one-shot-deal and the team that's prepared for the day usually wins. The national perception is that the SBC is the cellar and CUSA and the MAC are far-and-away, better than us. I wanted NIU this season because I knew this team would get up for their bowl game, period. I can say with certainty, they would have gotten the same thing Ohio got and Toledo will get, and so will Miami, OH. Now, with the SOS conversation behind us, let's get to the Xs and Os. Team speed, FIU, better offense, FIU, better DBs...FIU...bottom line, y'all in trouble!
CMU had been in bowls the previous two years, its fresh to us, but FIU's is a different sense of urgency. FIU has got a ways to go before they become a known non AQ team. Toledo will be there in a year or two starting with his win. Most people think Flordia International's mascot is the airports. Everyone already knows who them Rockets are in Toledo. We've got the facilities we have been indoors since the beginning of December getting ready for this game. Our team is healthy, and coming off 2 big wins, to put us here against teams Toledo hadn't beaten in 4+ years. The crowd will be our fire, no one will get blown out, it will be a tight game but Rockets by 7. It will happen.
