I can see how this is ripe for abuse. Islam is winning.

US Govt 'Creating Vast Domestic Snooping Machine'

Monday, 20 Dec 2010 08:09 AM


The U.S. government is creating a vast domestic spying network to collect information about Americans in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and subsequent terror plots, The Washington Post reported Monday.

The government is using for this purpose the FBI, local police, state homeland security offices, and military criminal investigators, the daily added.

The system collects, stores, and analyzes information about thousands of citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing, the report noted.

The government's goal is to have every state and local law enforcement agency in the country feed information to Washington to buttress the work of the FBI, noted the paper, which has conducted its own investigation of the matter.

According to the report, the network includes 4,058 federal, state, and local organizations, each with its own counterterrorism responsibilities and jurisdictions.

At least 935 of these organizations have been created since the 2001 attacks, The Post added.

The probe has revealed that technologies and techniques developed for use on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan have migrated into the hands of law enforcement agencies in the United States, the paper pointed out.

In addition, the FBI is building a database with the names and personal information of thousands of U.S. citizens and residents, the report said.

The database is accessible to an increasing number of local law enforcement and military criminal investigators, the report noted.

In a bid to counter what is seen as a threat from radical Islam, some law enforcement agencies have hired as trainers people whose extremist views on Islam and terrorism are considered inaccurate and counterproductive by U.S. intelligence agencies, the paper pointed out.

The cost of the network is difficult to measure, the paper said. But the Department of Homeland Security has given $31 billion in grants since 2003 to state and local governments for homeland security and to improve their ability to find and protect against terrorists, The Post said.

Only this year, it gave $3.8 billion to local law enforcement agencies.

Copyright 2010 AFP

Big Brother is watching. I'm sure that I occupy a file somewhere.

My goal is to bore them to death.

(12-20-2010 10:22 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  My goal is to bore them to death.

Money

And they probably have zero younger Muslim male immigrant types on the list.

I read somewhere, and I think it was in CA, that a local short line railroad or a light rail actually had a counter-terrorism task force complete with SWAT, armed deputies and other "accutrements." They were busted for fraud or something like that? Maybe something like a speeding Ferrari crashed and they found his badge?

This is what all these agencies are becoming. Little fief"dumbs" rife with small dik Napoleons, spendable cash and military surplus.

I do have fear that these quasi-military state and federal agencies have, will and will continue to operate with a Me-First, Country Second mentality. For shame.

(12-20-2010 04:01 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I read somewhere, and I think it was in CA, that a local short line railroad or a light rail actually had a counter-terrorism task force complete with SWAT, armed deputies and other "accutrements." They were busted for fraud or something like that? Maybe something like a speeding Ferrari crashed and they found his badge?

This is what all these agencies are becoming. Little fief"dumbs" rife with small dik Napoleons, spendable cash and military surplus.

I do have fear that these quasi-military state and federal agencies have, will and will continue to operate with a Me-First, Country Second mentality. For shame.

You can damn well expect that DHS will expand its scope. ALL government programs expand. It is simply their nature.
Will they become paramilitary units roaming the streets of America? Probably not...but...be assured they will become more and more intrusive into our lives.

(12-20-2010 04:01 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I read somewhere, and I think it was in CA, that a local short line railroad or a light rail actually had a counter-terrorism task force complete with SWAT, armed deputies and other "accutrements." They were busted for fraud or something like that? Maybe something like a speeding Ferrari crashed and they found his badge?

This is what all these agencies are becoming. Little fief"dumbs" rife with small dik Napoleons, spendable cash and military surplus.

I do have fear that these quasi-military state and federal agencies have, will and will continue to operate with a Me-First, Country Second mentality. For shame.

I remember Obama talking about creating a civilian military force equal in strength and funding as the current Military. Does anyone else remember that?

Yay progressivism.

Oh, and hope and change.

(12-20-2010 10:25 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Yay progressivism.

Oh, and hope and change.

Well..I'd submit that the current "clown in chief" is simply building upon the circus that he was left.

No Fo, I think he's taken those loose Lego pieces and made a castle.

Quote:According to the report, the network includes 4,058 federal, state, and local organizations, each with its own counterterrorism responsibilities and jurisdictions.

At least 935 of these organizations have been created since the 2001 attacks, The Post added

How much does this cost and what has it prevented?

(12-20-2010 10:37 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

Quote:According to the report, the network includes 4,058 federal, state, and local organizations, each with its own counterterrorism responsibilities and jurisdictions.

At least 935 of these organizations have been created since the 2001 attacks, The Post added

How much does this cost and what has it prevented?

How much does this cost; untold billions.

What has it prevented; these must be the saved jobs Obama, Biden must be talking about. Otherwise; NADA. Nothing. Zip. Zero.

(12-21-2010 12:02 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 10:37 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

Quote:According to the report, the network includes 4,058 federal, state, and local organizations, each with its own counterterrorism responsibilities and jurisdictions.

At least 935 of these organizations have been created since the 2001 attacks, The Post added

How much does this cost and what has it prevented?

How much does this cost; untold billions.

What has it prevented; these must be the saved jobs Obama, Biden must be talking about. Otherwise; NADA. Nothing. Zip. Zero.

Who knows? It's all secret. Maybe this contributed to the child porn busts lately.

Problem is, it's all secret. It's expensive, as you say, but worse, it won't be hard to start using this against "enemies of the state" whenever some leader decides it's time.

Torch, define "enemies of the state."

(12-21-2010 12:07 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Torch, define "enemies of the state."

Liberals.

(12-21-2010 12:07 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Torch, define "enemies of the state."

That's the point.

That definition is flexible enough to include anyone a particular leader dislikes.

Scary stuff.