I think you all have a lot of options in your market.

Your attendance will always reflect that choice in the saturated fan base. the Bearcats will be successful, and a great contributor to the conference.

Happy you're with us.

(11-22-2010 11:52 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Oh please...

And the leader of the "we're smarter then everybody else around here" crew chimes in with his usual garbage.

Have fun continuing your usual constant flow of name dropping so you feel like the coolest kid on the block, it's almost funny when you do it. I mean do you think 99% of the people around here really gives 2 sh!ts what person you had dinner with this one time, or sat next to this other time, or blew in a bathroom this other time? Because believe me most of us have always just laughed behind your back in PM's about your incessant name dropping.

You've been by far the person I've personally gotten the most complaints about, including chatter, in my time as a mod and have been by far the one to run the most good, quality posters off with your "I'm smarter than you so shut up" routine.

Have fun continuing to ruin this board.

Oops, thought i mistakenly logged in to my daughter's facebook page. I come to this site to get some insight on uc sports because the enquirer hardly exists. reading the Banter gods hurling lightening bolts at each other is amusing but somewhat sad. back to attendance, "shrinkage" is embarrasing to the loyal fan base and makes emotions run high. I go to the games not to make a point but because
i love basketball as everyone here does. Attendance is a lagging, not leading indicator of interest. Just like the housing market and unemployment, it will take years to heal, might as well get used to it.

O, we sincerely missed you. Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Until we part ways once again....

(11-23-2010 01:42 AM)BringBackthe Glory Wrote:  Well, we got him UC, the same guy that upped and jumped ship to go to Louisville and let Pitino draw first blood as soon as he was hired. Ole' Spaghetti Sauce Man knew EXACTLY who to go to. He couldn't find the chink in the UC armor himself and he knew who would fall on his knees and start blabbering away like a little child. That guy just happens to now be our Head Coach.
Go Bearcats!!

Or there is reality...1) Zero Huggins assistants as D1 coaches when Mick left. 2) Huggs having one foot out the door and Mick not wanting to live in hick town USA. 3) Pitino never needed anyone's help to get over on Huggins. That's alright though keep twisting the facts to suit your last man standing argument.

Never have I seen so many align with an academic carpetbagger and her crew of enablers to bring down one of the truly great coaches of this era...and for, nothing? And to see and hear UC fans support this and take her side...

I have nothing against Mick Cronin...but this constant crying about what he started with and dealt with...guys just DON'T PLAY HARD for him on a consistent basis...don't know why, don't pretend to...but this is at least as apparent as the supposed handicap Cronin walked into...

As the years have gone by, all of a sudden it's half a decade and I'm still hearing the same excuses...and people wonder why there's only 4k in the Shoe?...It has turned into a shell game, and the people who originally rejected Cronin as another conspirator in the high tech lynching that occurred, now recognize him for what he is...an opportunist who thought nothing of trampling over others to attain the level of his own incomptence...a walking, talking Peter Principle.

I don't know any of you...but I thought I shared a love of this University with all...And O's post made me realize that some don't share a love, but an agenda to support some and denigrate others...

all of us are not journalists on this board, were not trained as such, but the guidelines and ethics of same mean we don't post rumor and conjectrure and remain neutral with our thoughts, WE DON"T HAVE FRIENDS when behind the keyboard...

I cannot find one thread on this board that legitimately discusses Mick Cronin as a coach, because they consist of people that hate him because of Huggins and people that love him for some unknown reason. (BTW...if anyone ever finds another job with a five year get out of jail free card, sign me up). I thought what took place in 2005 was distasteful, dishonest and without ethics. But I wanted this program to succeed, continue. Went to games, contributed to UCATS...

The unfortunate truth is that there are many now who don't spend money, don't go, DON"T CARE. The successful dismantling of the Huggins era is complete, and UC is now starting from scratch. People may fill up the arena one day, but many will be new, different people. I am concerned about this. There are several games not televised this year, and others on internet only. When did we become Coppin State? We used to have every game on over the air TV or ESPN. Instead of talk over this, people continue to obsess over the coaches. Folks, the Titanic is going down...whoever has the captain's suit on at this point better just grab a life preserver.

I, too, am joining O as my last post. I am an insignificant part of this community, and understand that. But I love the University too much and cherish my experiences too much to participate in the discourse here. We got a building burning down,and we are wondering who is gonna hold the fire hose.

May the good Lord bless the University of Cincinnati.

(11-22-2010 10:42 AM)SGT-T Wrote:  Sooo... what was this thread about?

True. I probably should never have commented on my experience related to mlb's post if for no other reason than to keep this now Hall of Fame level thread on topic. Mods who have not quit the board twice in 36 hours, feel fee to use your scalpel liberally to get us back on track.

Speaking of which, another small crowd last night. But I get the feeling folks are getting ready to buy in a bit more. It's not a great team but they bust their a$$es. Say what you will about fans in this area, we like floorburns and hustle.

(11-22-2010 10:13 PM)Tymanh99 Wrote:  so AK helped kill the program by doing this, not doing that, saying this, etc. etc. okay--let's say this is indeed true....once again, where was mike thomas during all of this? our athletic director didn't know or care, that AK wasn't out recruiting? he didn't know or care that his kids weren't going to class? looks to me like he came in during year 1 and sat with his feet up on his desk while he watched the program stumble, collected his paycheck, spent 50 grand of UC's $$ to find mick, and called it a day.

thanks, mike!

Mike Thomas came in midway through the season where AK was coach. By then the damage was done. Everyone's hero Bob Goin had it really happen under his watch (although I do think that Zimpher is probably more to blame than BG).

(11-22-2010 11:50 PM)oleskl Wrote:  I'm out. G or B_R delete my account.

Thank God we have such a martyr for the board... Bye.

(11-23-2010 01:31 AM)BringBackthe Glory Wrote:  As for the Huggs/AK/ radio show thing. I could care less if Bob and Andy "literally" stood up on stage and continously flipped the bird to everyone in attendance till they walked to their car. The way those guys were treated not just by the admin. - but by those that supposedly cared about both of them - IMO gave both of them a license to do whatever the fook they wanted to do.

At the risk of being labled by Oleskl, I'd say you are the epitome of a Bob Huggins fan. Look, I've known you for a long time through here and the old BCN Forum, but I bleed red and black. I want UC to win as much or more than anybody else. I also realize that Huggins had in some ways dug his own grave. I don't like the way things were handled, and I wish it had never happened, but character is shown based on what you do when you are put in a bad situation. Revenge is generally a sign of bad character. I still root for Huggins' teams at WVU when not playing UC, but that is because I love watching the way his teams play. Personally, I lost a lost of respect for the guy after finding out what happened during the months following his dismissal.

(11-23-2010 01:31 AM)BringBackthe Glory Wrote:  

(11-22-2010 10:24 AM)mlb Wrote:  I find it amazing some of the people on here... including certain moderators.

It seems to be apparent that the people with the money to buy out Cronin (as in, donating money to make things happen) have no interest in doing it. They obviously told Thomas to re-up Cronin's contract before last season as well.

For the Pro-Huggins/Kennedy people... I'm going to drop a story on you that I've never seen posted in public here. Maybe it has, but I haven't seen it.

The last coaches show after Kennedy's 1 season at the helm had a "Hugg's Unplugged" after it went off the air. Kennedy and Huggins were up on stage talking and answering questions... at one point Huggins and Kennedy started laughing about how they had killed the UC program thanks to what they had done since Huggins had been run out of town. They were giving each other high fives, bragged about telling recruits to go elsewhere. They essentially told all the UC boosters in attendance (of which that show usually has a good number of big $$ boosters in attendance) that they had killed their love for years to come, possibly forever.

How can you still support Huggins or Kennedy knowing that they did everything they could to kill the program? Kennedy allowed his players to fail out of school as it was, knowing it would hurt the APR.

Now maybe you understand why Anthony Buford wants nothing to do with Huggins, a guy who he followed from Akron to UC to play for. Now you understand why last year he said he hasn't talked to Huggins much in years and that Huggins won't talk to him (due to him being upset with the way Huggins and Kennedy tried to kill a program he loves). You can add Chuck Machock to that list as well... although he is still on good terms with Huggins, he has shown no interest to follow him on to Morgantown, and actually continues to do radio for UC. Maybe that is a sign that he didn't agree with the way that Huggins and Kennedy handled themselves in the last months they were here.

Cronin may not be the right guy, but the people with the money do not want him out. He has allies that know what happened before he came in and are giving him what they think is needed to continue to build the program the right way. It is that simple.

I have no problem if you give or don't give to UCATS, but don't belittle people who continue to give money to UCATS just because you believe it will help get rid of Cronin. Until the big $$ boosters step in and say it is time for him to go, he is here to stay. All you do is hurt the program more by cutting funding to an already bleeding athletic department at a time when at a moments notice the Big East could cease to exist. Cutting funding at this point only puts UC in a worse shape when being reviewed by any potential conferences if the super conferences should come to be.

I have said from the beginning, give MC a ten year contract, heck - give him a straight up fifteen year contract for all I care. I know where the program will be end up - just like I knew where it would end up back when he was hired, though many said the opposite and they're still sticking to their gun.

As for the Huggs/AK/ radio show thing. I could care less if Bob and Andy "literally" stood up on stage and continously flipped the bird to everyone in attendance till they walked to their car. The way those guys were treated not just by the admin. - but by those that supposedly cared about both of them - IMO gave both of them a license to do whatever the fook they wanted to do.

UC fans were just collateral damage, caused because certain people's johnsons weren't as big as Bobs - and that's a fact jack. Only in Cincinnati could such a freeking fiasco go down. No other sports team from grade school to the Pro franchises would have handled the situation the way they did. They made their bed and now that bed is starting to stink pretty bad and the ones that love the stink are trying to tell everyone else that "it doesn't stink that bad.":wingedeagle:

I'll sleep in my clean bed thank you very much.
Go Cats and Bring Back The Glory.

Bob wasn't exactly this innocent victim you like to portray. Talk to coaches and AD personnel serving in UC's athletic department when Bob was there sometime. Bob acted as if no one could touch him, behaved as if no one was going to touch him, and constantly started pissing contests with everyone. Goin was his enabler. No one is untouchable. You piss off the wrong people and eventually your going to get run out of town. As for AK - got to know him and his family the year he was our coach. Glad he is not here anymore. He had an axe to grind and openly discussed either being hired or ripping the program to the ground.

(11-23-2010 09:07 AM)mlb Wrote:  Mike Thomas came in midway through the season where AK was coach.

Quote:Thomas, who succeeds retiring UC AD Bob Goin, will take office on Dec. 1.

http://www.gobearcats.com/genrel/102005aab.html

during that season, we only played 4 games before december 1, so mike thomas had plenty of time to realize what was going on with the program. he sat on his ass for 3 months and did nothing about it. didn't care.

still doesn't care.

What was he supposed to do, go recruit players himself?

Seriously? You expect an AD who comes in after the season had started to be able to do much to keep a coach from tearing it down? He, essentially, started day one with evaluating possible new coaches at UC. The recruiting stopped in August, under Bob Goins watch.

Sorry, once again, you can't blame MT for what happened at that time. You can possibly complain about his hiring and extension of Cronin, but when he was hired he was pretty much the homerun guy. A UC guy who had recruiting contacts everywhere and had taken Murray State to the NCAA tourney 2 out of his 3 seasons as head coach. It hasn't worked out, but at this point, as I've said multiple times, until the big $$ boosters step up with money to buy him out he is here. It is that simple.

On a side note, I actually feel better about him as coach this year more than any other. He recruited a great class coming in next season, his current team is playing harder than I've ever seen them play. If he can keep them under control on offense (I know, a HUGE if based on MC's previous 4 UC teams) then I think they could be much better than everyone's expectations.

nope--just his job.

This thread is amazing. It's like going back in time 5 years ago. Lucky for me I no longer care about who did what, when, where, or how.

I just want UC basketball to succeed. Let's hope they make it back to the NCAA tournament this year.

(11-23-2010 09:26 AM)mlb Wrote:  Seriously? You expect an AD who comes in after the season had started to be able to do much to keep a coach from tearing it down? He, essentially, started day one with evaluating possible new coaches at UC. The recruiting stopped in August, under Bob Goins watch.

Sorry, once again, you can't blame MT for what happened at that time. You can possibly complain about his hiring and extension of Cronin, but when he was hired he was pretty much the homerun guy. A UC guy who had recruiting contacts everywhere and had taken Murray State to the NCAA tourney 2 out of his 3 seasons as head coach. It hasn't worked out, but at this point, as I've said multiple times, until the big $$ boosters step up with money to buy him out he is here. It is that simple.

On a side note, I actually feel better about him as coach this year more than any other. He recruited a great class coming in next season, his current team is playing harder than I've ever seen them play. If he can keep them under control on offense (I know, a HUGE if based on MC's previous 4 UC teams) then I think they could be much better than everyone's expectations.

we'll have to agree to disagree about MT, but i agree with the rest of your post. hope this is 'the year' and the stars align for us.

(11-23-2010 09:26 AM)Tymanh99 Wrote:  nope--just his job.

And what part of his job was going to change what happened during the AK year?

He was in a tough spot Ty...being the the new guy in a high pressure situation...with a crowd of people in "Hire Andy" shirts. The chants for Hire Andy went throughout the season...was he going to fire the popular interim coach mid year? Career suicide, tough spot being in a lose-lose situation IMO.

Sure Mike Thomas messed up...unplugging the mike for fear of what AK was going to say. Water under the bridge for me, he did bring in Brian Kelly and I do like Butch Jones (just not his record yet at UC, but I think he rights the ship).

I agree with you, to some extent Ty, but what was Thomas supposed to do? Fire AK, then go to Martin? How many different HC's can a group of kids deal with in a 6-month time frame?