(11-15-2010 05:35 PM)fsquid Wrote: I travel all over the world. Every country/region seems to have its own rules for airline customers. Sometimes it's a breeze to get through security, other times it's tedious. Just the nature of the beast. If you can't deal with the rules, don't fly. Simple as that. The dude in San Diego just sounds like a real tool.
I've been tossed in the "bad guy" pen 3 times upon re-entry into the US because of my very common name, despite traveling on an official passport (different than a common civilian passport). A nuisance? You bet. But I kept my sense of humor about it. No reason to be a d!ck about things in my opinion. Just the price of doing business with the travel industry.
Now if you want to complain, complain about the lack of extra equipment at these security checks to better process passengers. That's the bigger issue to me than a full body scan or patdown.
Agreed. WAY too many people these days are claiming rights they don't have and crying foul when those fictitious rights are violated. You don't have a RIGHT to cheap airfares.
(11-16-2010 10:29 AM)moe24 Wrote: (11-15-2010 05:19 PM)fsquid Wrote: doubtful, I think if you want to fly, some of your privacy rights go out the window. If you don't like it, rent a car and drive.
I honestly think this may be the most idiotic statement I have ever read on here. 
A perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you don't like the rules, then don't fly. How about THIS... GO THROUGH THE SCANNER. It's not as if you're being FORCED into a pat-down in order to fly. You have options, and you're refusing all of them.... yet you still think you should be able to fly??
(11-16-2010 05:53 PM)DrTorch Wrote: 1. It's the people who fly a lot who complain the most about these infringments. We're the ones who are taking the risk, so yes, we'll settle for the consequences.
Except you aren't making that decision for yourself alone. You're making it for me as well on the plane, or even on the ground. You don't have the right to make that decision for me.
Quote:2. If some people really want the added feeling of security, then let the market decide. Airline A can go lean w/ "just" the metal detector, luggage x-ray, and ion-mobility sniffer. Airline B can go crazy w/ their passenger x-ray, pat down, etc; and of course charge for all of it.
If your argument is that this doesn't improve security, fine... go be an adult and petition the TSA/government... don't cause some scene at the airport and inconvenience everyone else.
The market already HAS decided... and that's why there is a single group that manages security for everyone. You can always connect to the larger airport from a smaller one with less stringent security and pay the difference. Alternatively, you can charter a small plane yourself.
Quote:3. There are other, more effective measures, that can be taken that don't require these violations and added burden on passengers.
Fine... go propose them to the TSA. I'm pretty convinced that TSA agents don't "look forward" to handling your "junk". When someone said "we'll have child molesters lining up to work for the TSA"... my gut reaction was good... the damage to the child would be significantly less than what that person would have PREFERRED to do to them, AND, I'm betting they'd get tired of it. Perhaps the lesser of two evils.... and don't go accusing me of SUGGESTING this... it was merely my gut reaction to the paranoid fear of molesters run rampant.
Quote:4. People should read that Salon article that was listed here, then they'd see that worse events happened in the past, and life went on w/o these measures.
This is immaterial. Bad things happen all the time, but that doesn't mean life won't go on or we shouldn't try and limit them. I agree that the nail file ban was stupid... but that doesn't mean that scanning for metal isn't a good idea.
Quote:5. People should recognize that true security is an illusion. Bad guys can attack commuter trains, sports stadiums, or stopped traffic on the freeway. Planes aren't special.
well, yeah they kinda are.... but this kind of comment is just as bad as the paranoid extreme. You're BASICALLY arguing that you can't stop it, so just deal with it. I guess we should just get rid of the police as well. They certainly haven't STOPPED crime.
(11-16-2010 07:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: I refuse to go through the scanners. I have no problem making the TSA agents humiliate "themselves" and waste their time in the secondary procedure. I will also clearly state my objection on constitutional grounds and that my refusal is an act of civil disobedience designed to slow the system to a grinding halt. I hope others do the same.
Only through mass civil disobedience will this nonsense be stopped. Begging is not going to be effective. We must make the jobs and lives of those that are enforcing this outrage as uncomfortable as possible.
meh... First of all... air travel isn't protected by the Constitution... so you don't have the rights you're claiming, NOR is it "civil disobedience". You may as well walk into a restaurant without shirt or shoes and claim the Health department is violating your rights by allowing the restaurant to refuse to serve you and make you leave. As for making the TSA people's job miserable... yeah... THAT will be effective. This isn't some company trying to win customers... All you're going to do is make that employee more abusive to you and everyone else... make him go home and beat his kids or kick his dog. It's a federal beauracracy. Go complain to your congressman
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California man to TSA agent "you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested"
