We aren't Begging :). UCF is trying to improve our sports within CUSA. If a better opportunity comes along, awesome... but we didn't build a $100 million basketball arena to put our basketball team back in the Atlantic Sun.

If the BIG EAST offers us membership as their 17th team, with all the benefits and rights thereof, then count us in!

If it's a partial membership or conditional membership with clauses, lack of $$$ etc, then I think we'll pass. We aren't going to be used by the BIG EAST like Temple was. We aren't that type of girl!

(11-02-2010 07:52 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Then UCF would no longer be under consideration if they try to dictate the terms. Also, I'd think long and hard about passing up a football-only invite to a BCS conference because if you say no and other schools accept it, and then the football schools split off and form thbeir own conference you're completely out of the loop since you would have permanently burned bridges.

I don't like FB only memberships. They are just too complicated..but..that does not mean that I would balk at that type of situation in todays market.

I know some of these ADs and Presidents may be talking a good game and saying they would not take a FB only...but...I don't believe a damn word of it. When the AQ issue and the Money start talking....I believe the bravado would quickly go away.

The true identity of Sandiss has been uncovered



Now everyone is trying to solve one his latest riddle!!

(11-02-2010 08:03 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 07:52 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Then UCF would no longer be under consideration if they try to dictate the terms.

You don't go into a partnership with someone by having one side "dictate" all the terms. It's about common goals, benefiting each other, and compromise.

So you think Nebraska, Colorado and Utah made mistakes accepting their deals?

(11-02-2010 08:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I don't like FB only memberships. They are just too complicated..but..that does not mean that I would balk at that type of situation in todays market.

Football only memberships should only be used in special situations, like say if it were Army or Navy. Yes I know neither are happening, but just wanted to point out that that would be about the only situation where a FB-only membership should even be considered.

(11-02-2010 08:10 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  We aren't Begging :). UCF is trying to improve our sports within CUSA. If a better opportunity comes along, awesome... but we didn't build a $100 million basketball arena to put our basketball team back in the Atlantic Sun.

If the BIG EAST offers us membership as their 17th team, with all the benefits and rights thereof, then count us in!

If it's a partial membership or conditional membership with clauses, lack of $$$ etc, then I think we'll pass. We aren't going to be used by the BIG EAST like Temple was. We aren't that type of girl!

You're not any type of girl, you're coming after us we're not coming after you. Again, if you really want this you better check your ego at the door. If Colorado, Utah and Nebraska are willing to accept less money to join conferences then UCF better be ready to do the same thing.

Sandiss, can you please elaborate? If VU moved up, would the BE not allow TCU to join in all sports if it only incresead membership by one?

(11-02-2010 08:10 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  We aren't Begging :). UCF is trying to improve our sports within CUSA. If a better opportunity comes along, awesome... but we didn't build a $100 million basketball arena to put our basketball team back in the Atlantic Sun.

If the BIG EAST offers us membership as their 17th team, with all the benefits and rights thereof, then count us in!

If it's a partial membership or conditional membership with clauses, lack of $$$ etc, then I think we'll pass. We aren't going to be used by the BIG EAST like Temple was. We aren't that type of girl!

I don't think any of this will occur so the discussion is really just hypothetical anyway. UCF is certainly worthy of full membership. If the BE does not see that...well...The leadership is lacking...IMO.

Breaking this "football members only" invite down. Are the bball school presidents and commish office gambling on the existing 8 plus the invited 2 won't vote to split, or are the existing 8 having to sign agreement to these guidelines?

Does this rule out a split all together?
and
why would the current 8 members agree to football only invites?

(11-02-2010 08:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 07:52 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Then UCF would no longer be under consideration if they try to dictate the terms. Also, I'd think long and hard about passing up a football-only invite to a BCS conference because if you say no and other schools accept it, and then the football schools split off and form thbeir own conference you're completely out of the loop since you would have permanently burned bridges.

I don't like FB only memberships. They are just too complicated..but..that does not mean that I would balk at that type of situation in todays market.

I know some of these ADs and Presidents may be talking a good game and saying they would not take a FB only...but...I don't believe a damn word of it. When the AQ issue and the Money start talking....I believe the bravado would quickly go away.

lol, exactly! Talking a big game is nice but when the presidents see the checks being passed up they'll jump in quickly. The fact that the Big East is expanding tells you that there won't be any major BCS expansions after this for years, accept for the Big 12. This is your last chance to get into a BCS conference, and if the Big East splits you know who's coming? The schools who accept football-only invites.

(11-02-2010 08:17 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 08:10 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  We aren't Begging :). UCF is trying to improve our sports within CUSA. If a better opportunity comes along, awesome... but we didn't build a $100 million basketball arena to put our basketball team back in the Atlantic Sun.

If the BIG EAST offers us membership as their 17th team, with all the benefits and rights thereof, then count us in!

If it's a partial membership or conditional membership with clauses, lack of $$$ etc, then I think we'll pass. We aren't going to be used by the BIG EAST like Temple was. We aren't that type of girl!

You're not any type of girl, you're coming after us we're not coming after you. Again, if you really want this you better check your ego at the door. If Colorado, Utah and Nebraska are willing to accept less money to join conferences then UCF better be ready to do the same thing.

And Terry Holland gets bashed by UCF fans for selling his program? Ummm.

I just don't think we would devalue the rest of our sports unless we had a place on-par with CUSA to stick them. Time will tell...but we have spent $100 mill already, plus another $100 mill for baseball, track, and other areas on the 10 year plan. That's a lot to invest for something less than a great conference for Olympic Sports.

(11-02-2010 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 08:10 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  We aren't Begging :). UCF is trying to improve our sports within CUSA. If a better opportunity comes along, awesome... but we didn't build a $100 million basketball arena to put our basketball team back in the Atlantic Sun.

If the BIG EAST offers us membership as their 17th team, with all the benefits and rights thereof, then count us in!

If it's a partial membership or conditional membership with clauses, lack of $$$ etc, then I think we'll pass. We aren't going to be used by the BIG EAST like Temple was. We aren't that type of girl!

I don't think any of this will occur so the discussion is really just hypothetical anyway. UCF is certainly worthy of full membership. If the BE does not see that...well...The leadership is lacking...IMO.

Exactly. I'm better that if Villanova doesn't move up Temple gets a football-only invite. Hopefully that would be the only football-only invite and the rest are All-Sports invites.

(11-02-2010 08:22 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 08:10 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  We aren't Begging :). UCF is trying to improve our sports within CUSA. If a better opportunity comes along, awesome... but we didn't build a $100 million basketball arena to put our basketball team back in the Atlantic Sun.

If the BIG EAST offers us membership as their 17th team, with all the benefits and rights thereof, then count us in!

If it's a partial membership or conditional membership with clauses, lack of $$$ etc, then I think we'll pass. We aren't going to be used by the BIG EAST like Temple was. We aren't that type of girl!

I don't think any of this will occur so the discussion is really just hypothetical anyway. UCF is certainly worthy of full membership. If the BE does not see that...well...The leadership is lacking...IMO.

Exactly. I'm better that if Villanova doesn't move up Temple gets a football-only invite. Hopefully that would be the only football-only invite and the rest are All-Sports invites.

lol, didn't they do that one already?

(11-02-2010 07:09 PM)Sandiss Wrote:  Terms and conditions like lesser payout than other football members, football only membership, only taking payments if university makes BCS bowl, finding a place for your other sports, or help getting a FCS program up to BCS level, inquiring minds would like to know, we'll see 2012 2012 2012.

I would expect new members to get less $$$ at first. Probably 3 to 5 years. Fb only is possible though I doubt it. Guess we will know on 12/22/2012

(11-02-2010 08:19 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Breaking this "football members only" invite down. Are the bball school presidents and commish office gambling on the existing 8 plus the invited 2 won't vote to split, or are the existing 8 having to sign agreement to these guidelines?

Does this rule out a split all together?
and
why would the current 8 members agree to football only invites?

I think its quite simple. While some might accuse the hoops schools as parasites, its the football schools that are the parasites. We use the hoops schools media markets for a larger hoops deal. If we split we make less money. Sad but true.

(11-02-2010 08:17 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  You're not any type of girl, you're coming after us we're not coming after you. Again, if you really want this you better check your ego at the door. If Colorado, Utah and Nebraska are willing to accept less money to join conferences then UCF better be ready to do the same thing.

It's the Football-Only membership, that most of us believe, UCF would decline. It's not the reduced revenue sharing for the honeymoon that is the problem...I would expect UCF to be jumping all over an All-Sports invite to the Big East, even if it means minimal revenue sharing at the onset.

It's sticking our other programs back into anonymity that is the concern. CUSA, while not the Big East, is leaps and bounds above the A-Sun and/or MAC, and has done wonders for our "other" sports.

- Baseball is close to being back on the map with consecutive "ranked" recruiting classes
- Men's Basketball has a lot of "buzz" right now with the hiring of Donnie Jones. Not sure if he can coach, but he can surely recruit talent.
- Both Men's and Women's Soccer are ranked Nationally at this moment
- Men's Golf is back-to-back CUSA champions
- Women's track has it's first ever Outdoor All-American
...and so on...

I know that Football drives the bus, but there is so much momentum in the other programs, that sending them back to something like the A-Sun could be detrimental to their overall development.

(11-02-2010 08:13 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 08:03 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 07:52 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Then UCF would no longer be under consideration if they try to dictate the terms.

You don't go into a partnership with someone by having one side "dictate" all the terms. It's about common goals, benefiting each other, and compromise.

So you think Nebraska, Colorado and Utah made mistakes accepting their deals?

Nope, because they worked with their conferences to get something everyone agreed upon: full membership. Anything less is an insult. Why would you devalue yourself like that? It's not like the big east is doing anyone a "favor".

(11-02-2010 08:23 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 08:22 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 08:10 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  We aren't Begging :). UCF is trying to improve our sports within CUSA. If a better opportunity comes along, awesome... but we didn't build a $100 million basketball arena to put our basketball team back in the Atlantic Sun.

If the BIG EAST offers us membership as their 17th team, with all the benefits and rights thereof, then count us in!

If it's a partial membership or conditional membership with clauses, lack of $$$ etc, then I think we'll pass. We aren't going to be used by the BIG EAST like Temple was. We aren't that type of girl!

I don't think any of this will occur so the discussion is really just hypothetical anyway. UCF is certainly worthy of full membership. If the BE does not see that...well...The leadership is lacking...IMO.

Exactly. I'm better that if Villanova doesn't move up Temple gets a football-only invite. Hopefully that would be the only football-only invite and the rest are All-Sports invites.

lol, didn't they do that one already?

It's like groundhog day! lol! Seriously though, I hate this football-only thing as much as you guys do, I think it's stupid, but I would jump at it if it's offered, better to be part of the BCS crew then not, and be in the catbird seat when we finally grow brains and split off and form our own conference, which I personally feel these moves are setting up for.

(11-02-2010 08:13 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 08:03 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  

(11-02-2010 07:52 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Then UCF would no longer be under consideration if they try to dictate the terms.

You don't go into a partnership with someone by having one side "dictate" all the terms. It's about common goals, benefiting each other, and compromise.

So you think Nebraska, Colorado and Utah made mistakes accepting their deals?

Cat I would totally expect the new teams to get limited payouts at first. probably 3 to 5 years. ECU has good options in NC for other sports, UCF really does not have any. I won't say they would not take it, UCF clearly would have in 03. But it will be a much tougher choice today. Do you keep everything in one of the better non bcs, or do you take a BE fb only and park everything else in a bottom feeder league.