(11-06-2010 08:41 AM)BarsemaBone Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 08:29 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  You would think that if it was something big or something bad, they would have said something about it right away last year. Perhaps his words were taken out of context a bit or he is just using a little incident to psyche up himself and the rest of the Huskies for this game.

It may have seemed like a little incident at the time, but I can assure you it was not. The ramifications affected the Huskies all throughout the offseason and the start of this season.

This is what is confusing. If it affected the Huskies all throughout the offseason and the start of this season, then it couldn't have been something small.....and you would thinking something would have come out about it before this.

Based on your comment, I can only come to the conclusion that you are talking about Harnish. There were still 7 more games for NIU last year after the Toledo game. Harnish played in the last 4 games of the season, after missing the next 3. He shouldn't have played in the last 4 games if he was hurt so badly that it affected the Huskies all throughout the offseason and the start of this season.

Injuries happen. I'm sure Desmond Marrow remembers the hit below the waist from a NIU player in the 2008 game that cost him the rest of the 2008 season and all of the 2009 season with a knee injury that needed surgery. I'm sure Toledo remembers that NIU knocked QB Aaron Opelt out of the game in 2008 and QB Austin Dantin out of the game in 2009.

But heck, it's football and injuries happen. Sometimes a guy gets hit in a way that shouldn't have happened, and if the defender could have taken it back he would have.....because no one ever means to hurt someone else or to hit them in a way that is against the rules. But it does happen sometime, and real men get past the injury and don't whine about it or look for ways to get revenge on someone. I certainly hope no NIU players are hoping to cause any injuries Tuesday night. That could backfire and cause them to hurt them self as well as be a very bad sportsmanship thing that I would really believe neither Jerry Kill nor Tim Beckman would endorse in any way.

James Harrison tries to hurt people

(11-06-2010 09:35 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 08:41 AM)BarsemaBone Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 08:29 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  You would think that if it was something big or something bad, they would have said something about it right away last year. Perhaps his words were taken out of context a bit or he is just using a little incident to psyche up himself and the rest of the Huskies for this game.

It may have seemed like a little incident at the time, but I can assure you it was not. The ramifications affected the Huskies all throughout the offseason and the start of this season.

This is what is confusing. If it affected the Huskies all throughout the offseason and the start of this season, then it couldn't have been something small.....and you would thinking something would have come out about it before this.

Based on your comment, I can only come to the conclusion that you are talking about Harnish. There were still 7 more games for NIU last year after the Toledo game. Harnish played in the last 4 games of the season, after missing the next 3. He shouldn't have played in the last 4 games if he was hurt so badly that it affected the Huskies all throughout the offseason and the start of this season.

Injuries happen. I'm sure Desmond Marrow remembers the hit below the waist from a NIU player in the 2008 game that cost him the rest of the 2008 season and all of the 2009 season with a knee injury that needed surgery. I'm sure Toledo remembers that NIU knocked QB Aaron Opelt out of the game in 2008 and QB Austin Dantin out of the game in 2009.

But heck, it's football and injuries happen. Sometimes a guy gets hit in a way that shouldn't have happened, and if the defender could have taken it back he would have.....because no one ever means to hurt someone else or to hit them in a way that is against the rules. But it does happen sometime, and real men get past the injury and don't whine about it or look for ways to get revenge on someone. I certainly hope no NIU players are hoping to cause any injuries Tuesday night. That could backfire and cause them to hurt them self as well as be a very bad sportsmanship thing that I would really believe neither Jerry Kill nor Tim Beckman would endorse in any way.

It's not the fact that Harnish was injured. It's how it happened that made a lot of people angry...

(11-06-2010 09:39 PM)armour248 Wrote:  James Harrison tries to hurt people

I said college, not NFL. Unfortunately I do believe there are a few people in the NFL that are so twisted and brainwashed that they do try to hurt people. In college, at least at the MAC level, and more importantly at Toledo and NIU........I would find it very hard to believe that either one of our team's have any players that are trying to hurt someone.

(11-06-2010 09:41 PM)BarsemaBone Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 09:35 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 08:41 AM)BarsemaBone Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 08:29 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  You would think that if it was something big or something bad, they would have said something about it right away last year. Perhaps his words were taken out of context a bit or he is just using a little incident to psyche up himself and the rest of the Huskies for this game.

It may have seemed like a little incident at the time, but I can assure you it was not. The ramifications affected the Huskies all throughout the offseason and the start of this season.

This is what is confusing. If it affected the Huskies all throughout the offseason and the start of this season, then it couldn't have been something small.....and you would thinking something would have come out about it before this.

Based on your comment, I can only come to the conclusion that you are talking about Harnish. There were still 7 more games for NIU last year after the Toledo game. Harnish played in the last 4 games of the season, after missing the next 3. He shouldn't have played in the last 4 games if he was hurt so badly that it affected the Huskies all throughout the offseason and the start of this season.

Injuries happen. I'm sure Desmond Marrow remembers the hit below the waist from a NIU player in the 2008 game that cost him the rest of the 2008 season and all of the 2009 season with a knee injury that needed surgery. I'm sure Toledo remembers that NIU knocked QB Aaron Opelt out of the game in 2008 and QB Austin Dantin out of the game in 2009.

But heck, it's football and injuries happen. Sometimes a guy gets hit in a way that shouldn't have happened, and if the defender could have taken it back he would have.....because no one ever means to hurt someone else or to hit them in a way that is against the rules. But it does happen sometime, and real men get past the injury and don't whine about it or look for ways to get revenge on someone. I certainly hope no NIU players are hoping to cause any injuries Tuesday night. That could backfire and cause them to hurt them self as well as be a very bad sportsmanship thing that I would really believe neither Jerry Kill nor Tim Beckman would endorse in any way.

It's not the fact that Harnish was injured. It's how it happened that made a lot of people angry...

Did you read my post? Nobody's trying to hurt someone. There was a bit of a late hate on Harnish. It's not like a late hit has never happened in the history of college football before. It's not like there's never been a NIU player that came in late and hit someone when he shouldn't have. It happens, and the player that hits someone late didn't actually mean to commit a personal foul and didn't try to hurt someone.

I'm sorry your feelings and some of the NIU players feelings were hurt. It's obvious some in NIU land are very sensitive.

There's no such thing as "a bit of" a late it. It either is or it isn't.

So James Harrison suddenly changed modes when he went from college football to the NFL? I'm pretty sure that is his mentality as a defensive player and it makes him one of the best players in the NFL.

And yeah NIU fans are more sensitive than others because our QB got hurt on "a bit of a late hit" and our team apparently took exception to it. The fact is nobody knows what was going on on the field except the players, and that's the way it should be. Maybe the NIU defense wants to send a message on Tuesday and is using everything possible to get fired up for the game...sorry for being so sensitive.

(11-04-2010 02:24 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  yes Spann is good, but our Defense was very bad last year and we held you guys to 19. Spann hasn't gotten 15 times better in one year. + Toledo's defense has vastly improved. He will probably have a TD but I can't see him scoring 3 times. And NIU's passing game doesnt scare me one bit. I saw one play of the WMU game and it was a harnish INT that was very short of the defender in the enzone, and WMU's D is terrible. I think Harnish's running threat is what concerns me, the duel threat between him and Spann.

Wow, that's some good analysis of our passing game. You saw one play against WMU? I saw one play in the Toledo game, can't remember which one, where the Toledo qb got sacked. Your offensive line and qb must be bad.

I saw Peyton Manning throw an interception one time. That guy blows.

(11-07-2010 11:37 AM)armour248 Wrote:  I saw Peyton Manning throw an interception one time. That guy blows.

I saw that one too. He sucks. Only reason he has any good games is because of the stud at offensive tackle. I think his name is Diem.

(11-07-2010 10:44 AM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  There's no such thing as "a bit of" a late it. It either is or it isn't.

Whatever, nice job of using what you can off my post because you know I am right.

Like I said, a late hit is against the rules and is a penalty. It happens, and I seriously doubt anyone on either Toledo's team or NIU's team ever means to hit someone late or even means to try to hurt someone. It just happens sometime. NIU has not gone through their existence in college football without having players called for late hits. Why, because it happens. I'm sure in every single case an NIU player never meant to hit someone late, but it still happened.

Talk about injuries all you want, but Toledo fans know all about them. It sucks, but happens. Back in 2004 Bruce Gradkowski broke his hand in the MACC Game and it affected him in the bowl game bit time. He also suffered a concussion on a late hit against Temple that year and missed our next game at Fresno State. In 2006 our top two QB's got hurt against WMU. Aaron Opelt was our QB for the last four years, but he was hurt in parts of each season. Last year we played part of the year with a 3rd string QB because of injuries to the top two quarterbacks, just like in 2008. Going by the success Toledo has had with QB's getting hurt over the last several years, I would say that NIU has been rather lucky with their QB's.

As for Harrison. I could be wrong, but I don't remember him being the same in college. He was a good player, but he wasn't going after people's heads like he has been the last couple of years in the NFL. I think the NFL game is much, much different and much more physical than the college game, and the killer instinct has got into his head.

But at schools like Toledo, and I'm sure NIU as well, they are not taught to have the killer instinct. They are taught to go out there and make the stop, to hit the guy, and it is very competitive and fierce.......but no one is talking about going out and taking someone's head off or trying to hurt someone. I know for a fact.

WOW. Talk about sensitive.

(11-07-2010 04:46 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  WOW. Talk about sensitive.

Who's sensitive? I agree that NIU fans are being sensitive by complaining because their QB got hurt on a late hit last year. My comments aren't being sensitive, it's proving my point. All of the injuries listed there were to show a point, not complain that we've had those injuries. I leave the complaining and excuses to NIU fans. Win or lose, I graciously take my lumps and give congrats to the other team. 2 years ago when NIU beat down Toledo I was the first one on here giving you congrats and wishing you luck against CMU.

(11-05-2010 01:57 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  And the venom has spilled onto the field. Coffman and Thomas both confirmed there were less-than-cordial words exchanged between the Huskies and Rockets last year.

"They did some things last year up at their place that still churns my stomach a bit," Coffman said. "It definitely gets me ready to play. It's not going to be hard to get up to play Toledo, I can tell you that.

All I need to hear. Huskies 42, Rockets 10

Damn! My 32 point spread was off by 3!

While my points total / attendance were low, I did call the Melvin interception. No reason for that kid to not be on the field at all times.

(11-07-2010 11:29 AM)sugnug Wrote:  

(11-04-2010 02:24 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  yes Spann is good, but our Defense was very bad last year and we held you guys to 19. Spann hasn't gotten 15 times better in one year. + Toledo's defense has vastly improved. He will probably have a TD but I can't see him scoring 3 times. And NIU's passing game doesnt scare me one bit. I saw one play of the WMU game and it was a harnish INT that was very short of the defender in the enzone, and WMU's D is terrible. I think Harnish's running threat is what concerns me, the duel threat between him and Spann.

Wow, that's some good analysis of our passing game. You saw one play against WMU? I saw one play in the Toledo game, can't remember which one, where the Toledo qb got sacked. Your offensive line and qb must be bad.

As you saw Tuesday night, our offensive line is not good. They are an experienced group that played very well last year, but they've been missing blocking assignments all year. Several times NIU DE's and DT's went right past the OL guy, and this has been a problem all year for Toledo. I know your point above is correct, but just thought I'd vent my frustration on our offensive line anyway.