Lakers, Hornets, Mavs, Rockets, Suns, Spurs, Thunder, Jazz, Blazers

The Griz are gonna have to take it to another level to get one of the last playoff spots. The West is still pretty tuff and the Grizz are still the Grizz.

I think you should all be buying tickets from me. lol

not gonna lie, that package deal is sweet. some good games in there

(10-12-2010 03:33 PM)playaflygb Wrote:  not gonna lie, that package deal is sweet. some good games in there

They are going fast, especially the 5-game pack. I will be in the office between 10-4p tomorrow if anyone is interested!!

(10-12-2010 02:40 PM)playaflygb Wrote:  Lakers, Hornets, Mavs, Rockets, Suns, Spurs, Thunder, Jazz, Blazers

The Griz are gonna have to take it to another level to get one of the last playoff spots. The West is still pretty tuff and the Grizz are still the Grizz.

The Grizz beat every single one of those teams last year. No reason why they can't do it again.

I know the games don't mean anything, but they've looked really good in the preseason. Perfect 4-0 so far.

(10-12-2010 10:59 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(10-12-2010 02:40 PM)playaflygb Wrote:  Lakers, Hornets, Mavs, Rockets, Suns, Spurs, Thunder, Jazz, Blazers

The Griz are gonna have to take it to another level to get one of the last playoff spots. The West is still pretty tuff and the Grizz are still the Grizz.

The Grizz beat every single one of those teams last year. No reason why they can't do it again.

I know the games don't mean anything, but they've looked really good in the preseason. Perfect 4-0 so far.

What it means is that we have a bench that can perform versus in years past. That is the good thing about preseason. The bench plays more. If we had been playing in the East, we would have been in the playoffs last year. Take away the awful beginning and we would have been in the playoffs.

Take away Allen Iverson and we would've been in the playoffs.

(10-13-2010 05:39 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  Take away Allen Iverson and we would've been in the playoffs.

How so?

The Grizz finished 40-42. So, instead of going 1-8, lets say the Grizz went 9-0 (umm, ok) that would have made the Grizz 48-34.

The 8th seed won 50 games last year.

Nice try.

50 wins with a 5th seed in the playoffs, and here is why:

1. The core starting five has gotten a year under their belts together, therfore they know their roles from the start.
2. This team has had a full year under Hollins and knows his system from the get go.
3. The team is the youngest in the NBA, and therefore can improve to a greater degree than many older teams.
4. Guys like Auther and Thabeet will be ready to contribute a full year.
5. Improved bench by adding Henry and Allen. You are essentially adding what could be two solid contributers off the bench which is two more than last year. Yes, we lost Brewer, but Brewer played in 5 games last year.
6. They have confidence from the start of the season that they can make the playoffs, not from the middle like last year.
7. Odds are the West simply cannot be as good as it was last year.
8. It took till December last year for this team to find it's groove and chemistry to start really winning games. They will have this from the start this year.
9. No distractions to start the season. Iverson was a distraction that helped this team get off to a poor 1 - 8 start.
10. They believe.

The only way this team does not pull off more wins than last year is if one of it's starters has a prolonged injury throughout the season.

(10-13-2010 08:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-13-2010 05:39 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  Take away Allen Iverson and we would've been in the playoffs.

How so?

The Grizz finished 40-42. So, instead of going 1-8, lets say the Grizz went 9-0 (umm, ok) that would have made the Grizz 48-34.

The 8th seed won 50 games last year.

Nice try.

Three of those first 8 losses were against playoff teams, so had we gone 9-0, that's 3 games to the good. We could've been the 8th seed with 48 wins, easily.

wasnt some guy named Kevin Durant leading the Thunder to the 8th seed last year? The 8th seed by the end of the year last year seemed miles away. The Spurs and Nuggets will probably take a hit this year but who knows if it will be enough for the Grizzlies to surpass them. I hope this year is different but its going to be tuff. If it were the East where we should be anyway it'd be no question whether we'd make the playoffs

(10-13-2010 09:59 AM)TigerEye Wrote:  

(10-13-2010 08:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-13-2010 05:39 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  Take away Allen Iverson and we would've been in the playoffs.

How so?

The Grizz finished 40-42. So, instead of going 1-8, lets say the Grizz went 9-0 (umm, ok) that would have made the Grizz 48-34.

The 8th seed won 50 games last year.

Nice try.

Three of those first 8 losses were against playoff teams, so had we gone 9-0, that's 3 games to the good. We could've been the 8th seed with 48 wins, easily.

Huh?

9-0 (and who REALLY would assume 9-0 anyway) STILL would only get them to 48 wins.

50 was what OKC and Portland won.

The only three playoff teams Memphis played in their first nine games were the Lakers, Nuggets, and Blazers.

The Lakers won 57 and the Nuggets 53--take away one win--and they are stil above 48.

The Blazers won 50, take away that win and give it to the Grizz as part of the 9-0 run and the Blazers still have 49 wins, which is (last I checked) more than 48.

So, again, not even with a 9-0 start (which still would be assuming the absurd) the Grizz would not have made the playoffs.

salukiblue, what the eff is your problem?

You obviously hate the Grizzlies.

You obviously hate Larry Porter, the football coach for the Tigers.

Do you hate Pastner and McFerrin too? What's your effin deal?

(10-13-2010 05:28 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  salukiblue, what the eff is your problem?

You obviously hate the Grizzlies.

You obviously hate Larry Porter, the football coach for the Tigers.

Do you hate Pastner and McFerrin too? What's your effin deal?

No..what bothers me is when people make stupid statements that need to be corrected.

Stupid statements like the one you made that are easy to refute like "the Grizz would have made the playoffs but not for their 1-8 start" when in fact, it would have been mathematically impossible anyway.

You spent the last three years railing on West, and question me?

Oh, and you went to, what, one Grizz game (with free tix from Jenkz) and you are all of a sudden Johnny Superfan.

Message board poser is what you are.

(10-13-2010 11:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  No..what bothers me is when people make stupid statements that need to be corrected.

Then you must hate every single post you make. All you post is stupid $hit.

(10-14-2010 12:45 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(10-13-2010 11:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  No..what bothers me is when people make stupid statements that need to be corrected.

Then you must hate every single post you make. All you post is stupid $hit.

Nope. I like my posts.

My post on how I think the Grizz will do is logical and takes into consideration many factors. It is not just a patent response such as "the young guys will get better" or "other teams are getting older". I also look at stats properly and, unlike some people (<cough> <cough>) don't throw out 'made up' stats that can't be justifed to make a point.

So...getting back to an older post...I'll say 42 wins--you say 50. Split the difference. If the Grizz finish with 47 or more wins--you win the bet. If they finish with 45 or fewer wins, I win. 46 wins is a push.

Loser cannot post for one year.

As much as you seem to detest me, this should be an easy bet for you.

I'm in. Just need you to say yes.

Thabeet and Conley have break out years, Grizz win 70, Mayo becomes the OJ everyone thought he'd be when he was 13 and the same height

(10-14-2010 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-14-2010 12:45 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(10-13-2010 11:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  No..what bothers me is when people make stupid statements that need to be corrected.

Then you must hate every single post you make. All you post is stupid $hit.

Nope. I like my posts.

My post on how I think the Grizz will do is logical and takes into consideration many factors. It is not just a patent response such as "the young guys will get better" or "other teams are getting older". I also look at stats properly and, unlike some people (<cough> <cough>) don't throw out 'made up' stats that can't be justifed to make a point.

So...getting back to an older post...I'll say 42 wins--you say 50. Split the difference. If the Grizz finish with 47 or more wins--you win the bet. If they finish with 45 or fewer wins, I win. 46 wins is a push.

Loser cannot post for one year.

As much as you seem to detest me, this should be an easy bet for you.

I'm in. Just need you to say yes.

What stats are you claiming are "made up"?

Last year, the Grizzlies did start 1-8 with Allen Iverson. That's documented. The team practically did an about-face as soon as he left the team. There's no doubt it is attributable to the fact that he was a major disruptive force to team chemistry and the team improved drastically when he left.

The team went on a losing streak when Marc Gasol went out with an injury. Every team has to deal with injuries, and Memphis is no differerent. Had he been healthier, they would've had a better chance of winning as he is one of the better centers in the league.

The team went on a losing streak at the end of the season due to being worn out from having to play so many minutes due to poor bench production. Instead of blaming the whole damn season on Thabeet, you've got to look at Arthur (who was injured most of the year), Tinsley (who apparently was also a chemistry problem), Carroll (who produced less than Thabeet), Brewer (who was injured almost immediately after being acquired). We picked up Allen (a defensive beast--just ask Kobe), Henry (one of the best 3-pt shooters in the draft), and Vasquez (ACC Player of the Year and second team All-American). We added defensive presence in the backcourt, three point shooting, backcourt height, and backcourt depth---the four biggest needs from last season.

Last year, rebounding and production from the four spot were the biggest concerns. We added Z-Bo, who addressed both those issues and the Grizz improved from 24 wins to 40 wins.

By addressing defensive presence in the backcourt with Allen, three point shooting with Henry, backcourt height with Henry and Vasquez (both are 6'6"), and backcourt depth (added three guards), logically the team SHOULD improve.

By giving a starting lineup of Conley, Mayo, Gay, Randolph, and Gasol an additional year of playing together, they should build BETTER team chemistry. Teams have better chemistry when they have consistency in their lineup. It's not often that the Grizz have all five starters back and now that they do it's a good thing.

As for the bet, I'd prefer the steak dinner. If I get tired of reading your rants, I can just put you on ignore.

My advice for you is to lighten the eff up. The Grizz will improve more than two games over last season. Just getting rid of Iverson will bump them more than that.

I'd go to every damn game if I could. Unfortunately, I've got a job that has me on the road. I'm in sunny Orlando this week and Virginia Beach next week. When I'm in town, I catch games when I can but I watch as many as possible on cable and the internet when I'm not.

You still didn't answer my question. Why so much hate for the Grizzlies and for Coach Larry Porter?

(10-14-2010 05:40 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(10-14-2010 08:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-14-2010 12:45 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(10-13-2010 11:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  No..what bothers me is when people make stupid statements that need to be corrected.

Then you must hate every single post you make. All you post is stupid $hit.

Nope. I like my posts.

My post on how I think the Grizz will do is logical and takes into consideration many factors. It is not just a patent response such as "the young guys will get better" or "other teams are getting older". I also look at stats properly and, unlike some people (<cough> <cough>) don't throw out 'made up' stats that can't be justifed to make a point.

So...getting back to an older post...I'll say 42 wins--you say 50. Split the difference. If the Grizz finish with 47 or more wins--you win the bet. If they finish with 45 or fewer wins, I win. 46 wins is a push.

Loser cannot post for one year.

As much as you seem to detest me, this should be an easy bet for you.

I'm in. Just need you to say yes.

What stats are you claiming are "made up"?

Last year, the Grizzlies did start 1-8 with Allen Iverson. That's documented. The team practically did an about-face as soon as he left the team. There's no doubt it is attributable to the fact that he was a major disruptive force to team chemistry and the team improved drastically when he left.

The team went on a losing streak when Marc Gasol went out with an injury. Every team has to deal with injuries, and Memphis is no differerent. Had he been healthier, they would've had a better chance of winning as he is one of the better centers in the league.

The team went on a losing streak at the end of the season due to being worn out from having to play so many minutes due to poor bench production. Instead of blaming the whole damn season on Thabeet, you've got to look at Arthur (who was injured most of the year), Tinsley (who apparently was also a chemistry problem), Carroll (who produced less than Thabeet), Brewer (who was injured almost immediately after being acquired). We picked up Allen (a defensive beast--just ask Kobe), Henry (one of the best 3-pt shooters in the draft), and Vasquez (ACC Player of the Year and second team All-American). We added defensive presence in the backcourt, three point shooting, backcourt height, and backcourt depth---the four biggest needs from last season.

Last year, rebounding and production from the four spot were the biggest concerns. We added Z-Bo, who addressed both those issues and the Grizz improved from 24 wins to 40 wins.

By addressing defensive presence in the backcourt with Allen, three point shooting with Henry, backcourt height with Henry and Vasquez (both are 6'6"), and backcourt depth (added three guards), logically the team SHOULD improve.

By giving a starting lineup of Conley, Mayo, Gay, Randolph, and Gasol an additional year of playing together, they should build BETTER team chemistry. Teams have better chemistry when they have consistency in their lineup. It's not often that the Grizz have all five starters back and now that they do it's a good thing.

As for the bet, I'd prefer the steak dinner. If I get tired of reading your rants, I can just put you on ignore.

My advice for you is to lighten the eff up. The Grizz will improve more than two games over last season. Just getting rid of Iverson will bump them more than that.

I'd go to every damn game if I could. Unfortunately, I've got a job that has me on the road. I'm in sunny Orlando this week and Virginia Beach next week. When I'm in town, I catch games when I can but I watch as many as possible on cable and the internet when I'm not.

You still didn't answer my question. Why so much hate for the Grizzlies and for Coach Larry Porter?

As for lightening up, I'm not the one who fake cusses people, calls people names and tells them to "eff" off. This is a freaking message board, not some place for people to act like badasses behind keyboards.

I Don't hate Grizz. Been going to the Grizz games for quite a while--even PAY to go the games.

Don't hate Porter either, but I have every right as a fan to wonder about stuff. Same for the Grizz. Ironic for a guy who ranted on West for years.

I Don't have one post where I personally attack Porter in any fashion, nor is there one post on here anti-Grizz. I have many times defended the Grizz to the Tiger cool-aiders that think the Grizz are evil.

You come off as Quixotic in your absoltist view of the Grizz, as if anyone who dares to question the front office or ridicule guys that make millions of dollars are not fans.

Hell, I'm also a Toronto Blue Jays fan (for last 20 years), but I won't be able to argue with a straight face they will win the AL East next year, despite the fact their young players are coming along and the Yanks will be getting 'older'. Sometimes reality trumps hope.

Hell, I wish the Grizz would get to the playoffs. I was in the Pyramid the game the Grizz were eliminated by the Spurs. And the Suns. I just realize there is a long road to hoe, and I don't think the ownership has done the team any favors.

You're full of ****.