(08-14-2010 12:04 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  Based on what I've read from reports I would say that most likely headed to the BE is in the following order:

1. Villanova (already in BE, most viable FCS upgrade)
2. Memphis (BB program at new heights, LB bowl)
3. UCF (Huge upside and now packing them in the stands)
4. Georgetown (They could pursue the Nova' plan)
4. TCU (Best BCS buster program, geography a stretch)
5. ECU (Big Time fanbase, potentially a nice ad for BE)

It sounds like the BE is most interested in building from within at this time because it has approval from all BE members.

It has the dual effect of protecting the the BE against a B10/ACC raid.

Rutgers and Maryland go B10, Syracuse to ACC, the BE lineup could be the following.

UConn
Villanova
Georgetown
Pitt
WVU
Cincinnati
Louisville
South Florida

The BE would then be back to the 8 FB/6 BB split that it was at prior to the 2003 ACC raid. ND and the minor BE programs (Marquette, DePaul, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall) would be represented in the basketball conference for tradition.

There is no way you keep the BCS status with Nova and G-town at this point!

We would split!

Uconn
Temple
Pitt
WVU
Cincinnati
Louisville
South Florida
Central Florida
Memphis
East Carolina
Houston
TCU

If Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri became avaiable this would be the conference:

Uconn
Pitt
WVU
East Carolina
South Florida
Central Florida

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State

(08-11-2010 08:15 AM)Sammy11 Wrote:  Thanks Templefootballfan. You actually replied to the premise.

(08-10-2010 11:32 PM)canewton Wrote:  LOL @ Baylor fan claiming that the Big12 is stable. It's stable so long as no one offers Texas more money. Enjoy it while it lasts.

1- Pac10 was rejected as UT had said all along that they wanted to stay but money was the only issue. ABC/ESPN has assured them the money will be there as they don't want realignment so we are pretty stable with UT. ABC doesn't want to lose their standing and current contracts go for a decade or so.
The Bevo network was not a deal breaker and therefore not the reason UT turned down the Pac10. Larry Scott said as much and it makes sense for it not to be. Pac10 has no other expansion candidates outside the Big12 that make sense. Texas is the big catch there and Scott is somehow going to risk their joining because they want a network to show payup games with NMSU and also women's volleyball? Not happening.

2- Big 10 has no interest in Tech or OU so they won't get UT. "Tech Problem" emails and public statements encourage this. While they may or may not go to 14 I doubt taking MD or RU would make the others realign. Last I heard Big 10 presidents "had little or no appetite for further expansion to 14 or 16".

3- ACC, no chance and they have stated they are fine as is.

4- SEC, Texas's administration would sooner jump into an empty swimming pool. SEC also won't start things as they love the status quo where they are top dog. Slive has also said this type of thing publicly.

5- If we did lose the Big 12 and couldn't rebuild the league we'd end up with you guys in CUSA. Don't laugh too hard at the B12.

1. I'm sure Texas will have an open invitation to the Pac-12 for any time It wants to go. We're talking about the most profitable college sports program in the country. The only reason there was so much money on the line for the Pac-16 deal was because Fox Sports was going to build the network. Fox is becoming a much bigger deal in college sports. Expect NBC/Comcast to also start making the money push. Expect another big push for Pac-10 expansion soon.

2. I doubt Texas would truck it's sports programs off the the Big10.

3. Who cares about the ACC.

4. Everyone knows Texas will never go to the SEC.

5. Trust me, I would love nothing more to spank y'alls terrible asses in football every year. It would also be a delight to see your sports programs fall apart when you lose all the Big12 money.

Another "rank the expansion candidates thread?" It's like Groundhog day all over again

(08-15-2010 09:42 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(08-14-2010 12:04 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  Based on what I've read from reports I would say that most likely headed to the BE is in the following order:

1. Villanova (already in BE, most viable FCS upgrade)
2. Memphis (BB program at new heights, LB bowl)
3. UCF (Huge upside and now packing them in the stands)
4. Georgetown (They could pursue the Nova' plan)
4. TCU (Best BCS buster program, geography a stretch)
5. ECU (Big Time fanbase, potentially a nice ad for BE)

It sounds like the BE is most interested in building from within at this time because it has approval from all BE members.

It has the dual effect of protecting the the BE against a B10/ACC raid.

Rutgers and Maryland go B10, Syracuse to ACC, the BE lineup could be the following.

UConn
Villanova
Georgetown
Pitt
WVU
Cincinnati
Louisville
South Florida

The BE would then be back to the 8 FB/6 BB split that it was at prior to the 2003 ACC raid. ND and the minor BE programs (Marquette, DePaul, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall) would be represented in the basketball conference for tradition.

There is no way you keep the BCS status with Nova and G-town at this point!

Exactly. But that's besides the point since there's no way in hell that either of those schools can / will upgrade anyway.

The Big East split is inevitable. It's only a matter of time. There will be a Catholic basketball school league that may end up merging with some of the A10 schools (i.e. Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, St. Joe's) and then there will be an FBS football league that will consist of all the state schools plus whoever they decide to add.

I believe that, if the Big East split happens sooner than later and the conference is able to add some quality FBS schools through expansion (again, this does NOT necessarily mean Temple or any of the other talked-about schools), then they will be able to maintain AQ status. If they allow the Catholic schools to drag out the process by, for example, entertaining absurd notions such as Villanova and Georgetown upgrading, then they will almost certainly lose the AQ bid. As such, anyone who is pro-Big East football should hope that the split occurs as soon as possible. Fans of the Catholic schools (i.e. OrangeCrush, the masquerading Villanova fan) will hope to delay the split as long as possible by posing outlandish / unfeasible options like Villanova upgrading.

That's really what it all comes down to.

(08-16-2010 03:14 PM)canewton Wrote:  1. I'm sure Texas will have an open invitation to the Pac-12 for any time It wants to go. We're talking about the most profitable college sports program in the country. The only reason there was so much money on the line for the Pac-16 deal was because Fox Sports was going to build the network. Fox is becoming a much bigger deal in college sports. Expect NBC/Comcast to also start making the money push. Expect another big push for Pac-10 expansion soon.
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5. Trust me, I would love nothing more to spank y'alls terrible asses in football every year. It would also be a delight to see your sports programs fall apart when you lose all the Big12 money.

1- No doubt Texas would bring value to the Pac10 but UT left them behind once the money was similar due to ESPN forking over the cash. UT admin and OU both said they wanted to stay all along and only considered leaving when it wasn't looking financially viable. If the money is still good, they will stay. Texas could have left but chose to stay and it wasn't the bevo network (the pac 10 didn't consider it a deal breaker) that stopped them.

5- I'd love nothing more than to shut up all the coog high fans that couldn't fill up a HS stadium. We brought of our fans to our Elite 8 (37,000 out of 45k) and Sweet 16 games this year than UH ever brought for football. Only big crowds you have had have been mainly other team fans even when you win.

Words Words Words

(08-15-2010 09:38 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(08-10-2010 09:34 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  As an outsider I am curious. Which teams would you take?
Understanding that the ACC, Pac10, Big 10, SEC, and Big 12 will be financially protected from the BE raiding them, your targets are in CUSA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt, and WAC.

Who do you choose?

Sammy its Baylor and Iowa State that will be headed to CUSA, WAC or the MWC! The Big East would not want your school because you are of no economic value to the BE, B10, SEC, ACC or P12. Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri, plus Memphis, Louisville and Cincinnati would make the Western Division of BE football. The East would be UConn, Pitt, West Virginia, East carolina, South florida and Central Florida.

If the BE looks at Texas, the catch is TCU and Houston.

1- Never said you BE Schools were headed to CUSA. Don't know why you imply that.
2- Baylor and ISU are stable as long as 5 B12 schools total remain. 5= retain BCS bid and raid MWC and maybe a Big East team depending on what the Big10 and ACC do as it depends on who is stronger at that point.
3- Texas isn't leaving or did you not see that they turned down the Pac10? If the money is there (ESPN says it will be and can make it happen) they stay which they said all along the process is what they wanted to do if it was financially viable. Bevo network would have been the same either way. Larry Scott even said so.
4- Are you that starved for good expansion options you have to hope UT and OU leave to get good ones? As long as they are there you can't match the money, travel, recruiting, exposure, and credibility of the B12. My question was (naturally as they just decided to) based on their staying.

(08-16-2010 04:34 PM)canewton Wrote:  Words Words Words

Before the game and the students hadn't gotten there. See the band marching? See the section roped off for students?

Here is a more accurate pic of those stands.



By the way we average 150% of what you average against the same teams this decade. We filled 40,000 fans into our stadium for UConn (a team BU historically never plays) and UH rarely puts more than 25k in their stadium. You will lose this argument as the numbers are on my side. I can go back the SWC data if you like.

For the record I like UH and wish them well as I like sumlin like Briles before him.

Congratulations on beating us in attendance? The point was that you have substantial help from schools like Texas, A&M, Tech, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc. Well done.

(08-16-2010 09:12 PM)canewton Wrote:  Congratulations on beating us in attendance? The point was that you have substantial help from schools like Texas, A&M, Tech, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc. Well done.

Obviously that cougar high reading comprehension 101 clearly shows up here.

I said attendance against the same teams this decade. So Rice (where its not even fair since they are 3 miles from you guys) Texas, Tech, TxSt, NW State, SMU, TCU, and others are averaged in each team only once. 149% raw average. Even without UT or Tech we still crush you in that department and we are:
Raw Average: BU 33,000 UH 22,000
No UT, OSU, or Tech: BU 32,000 UH 18,000

That is why no major conference will ever want UH as UH is a commuter school with little student and alumni interest. We are half your size and even when losing show up far better than your winning teams, and we are a small bcs school. We've lost a lot recently but it is turning around and we will be strong again soon. We just have a murderers row of a schedule every year and suffered under a braindead former ad who made terrible hires. In 2009 and 2008:
Texas-A&M-Tech-OU-OSU-Nebraska-Missouri-ISU-UConn-Wake Forest

At most you play 3 bcs schools a year. Thats 10 and in 08 we also played Wazzu meaning only one game was against a non bcs team.

We'd easily be a consistent bowl team in CUSA or even the big 12 north for that matter. We also played you straight up in the SWC overall and definitely got the best of you over the last 10-15 years of it so its not like UH has much room to brag over us other than a narrow win over Tech (who BU almost beat without our QB) and OSU (which was a good win but you have no chance without your QB and we didn't have ours) before UTEP and AFA humilated the coogs.

If you want to keep talking about this send me a private message. Lets not let texas school smack have a lot of time on a big east board.

Listen Bible Aggie, I just want to make sure you think that Baylor would still have your jawsome bombastic attendance if you'd been left out of the Big12. Congrats on the attendance bowl.


Also, I'm only really skimming your posts. I'm really just attempting to troll piss all over your happy day Big12 parade.