I know its not at all political, I just figured more people would appreciate if it was posted here:

http://news.travel.aol.com/2010/07/27/th...seating%2F

Some cool concepts that would definitely make long distance flying awesome. Fortunately I can sleep in practically any position, so flying has never been a problem for me (I actually fell asleep in an ejection seat once), but I do wonder how much this would affect the weight of the aircraft?

I like it!

Until the TSA goes away, I would still avoid flying unless it was absolutely necessary. My last trip abroad was a damn nightmare. I spent more time standing in lines than flight time. Something is totally wrong with this picture.

(07-29-2010 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Until the TSA goes away, I would still avoid flying unless it was absolutely necessary. My last trip abroad was a damn nightmare. I spent more time standing in lines than flight time. Something is totally wrong with this picture.

Yea if it's a puddle jumper of a flight just drive.

Beyond that, I'd say choose your airport wisely. Going through security at Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Int'l sucked big time. To say nothing of parking. But at Charlotte Douglas Int'l it's quite plesant and fast. Definitely only do a carry on and get an e-boarding pass off the internet to bypass 1/2 of the bull****. I've only flown AirTran thus far (short and cross country). They're cheap, but reliable and on time. My only gripe is that I want THE ENTIRE CAN OF COKE dammit.

(07-29-2010 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Until the TSA goes away, I would still avoid flying unless it was absolutely necessary. My last trip abroad was a damn nightmare. I spent more time standing in lines than flight time. Something is totally wrong with this picture.

i don't think you can generalize here. my last trip abroad was fine. got through security no problem and my flight was on time.

(07-29-2010 10:30 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Until the TSA goes away, I would still avoid flying unless it was absolutely necessary. My last trip abroad was a damn nightmare. I spent more time standing in lines than flight time. Something is totally wrong with this picture.

i don't think you can generalize here. my last trip abroad was fine. got through security no problem and my flight was on time.

He just needed to find something about a government agency to ***** about. What he didn't tell us is WHEN this occured. Were we in an enhanced security time? Was it after some new procedure that was put into place that takes some time to work out?

(07-29-2010 10:49 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 10:30 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Until the TSA goes away, I would still avoid flying unless it was absolutely necessary. My last trip abroad was a damn nightmare. I spent more time standing in lines than flight time. Something is totally wrong with this picture.

i don't think you can generalize here. my last trip abroad was fine. got through security no problem and my flight was on time.

He just needed to find something about a government agency to ***** about. What he didn't tell us is WHEN this occured. Were we in an enhanced security time? Was it after some new procedure that was put into place that takes some time to work out?

It happened in April...flights from Myrtle Beach/Charlotte to Jamaica Between customs,TSA and generally just sorry ass service we spent longer in cue than in the air....especially the return trip...Customs was a damn nightmare. To my knowledge there was nothing unusual going on in regard to new protocols. It was business as usual.

I do not need to "find" something to ***** about when it comes to inefficient...lazy ass governmental bureaucrats. What you would need to search for is a bureaucrat that does not fit this profile.

Another thing.....Does the TSA seek out the most rude and arrogant aholes it can find to work for it? I can think of no other group of people that have such bad attitudes toward those they are serving.

(07-29-2010 11:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 10:49 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 10:30 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Until the TSA goes away, I would still avoid flying unless it was absolutely necessary. My last trip abroad was a damn nightmare. I spent more time standing in lines than flight time. Something is totally wrong with this picture.

i don't think you can generalize here. my last trip abroad was fine. got through security no problem and my flight was on time.

He just needed to find something about a government agency to ***** about. What he didn't tell us is WHEN this occured. Were we in an enhanced security time? Was it after some new procedure that was put into place that takes some time to work out?

It happened in April...flights from Myrtle Beach/Charlotte to Jamaica Between customs,TSA and generally just sorry *** service we spent longer in cue than in the air....especially the return trip...Customs was a damn nightmare. To my knowledge there was nothing unusual going on in regard to new protocols. It was business as usual.

I do not need to "find" something to ***** about when it comes to inefficient...lazy *** governmental bureaucrats. What you would need to search for is a bureaucrat that does not fit this profile.

Another thing.....Does the TSA seek out the most rude and arrogant aholes it can find to work for it? I can think of no other group of people that have such bad attitudes toward those they are serving.

Maybe it is because of the people they are dealing with(you ) everyday. Hell, if I had a-hole customers ***** at me everday for doing my job, I am not sure I would be very friendly after a period of time on hte job either(I would guess you would too).

(07-29-2010 11:57 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 11:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 10:49 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 10:30 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Until the TSA goes away, I would still avoid flying unless it was absolutely necessary. My last trip abroad was a damn nightmare. I spent more time standing in lines than flight time. Something is totally wrong with this picture.

i don't think you can generalize here. my last trip abroad was fine. got through security no problem and my flight was on time.

He just needed to find something about a government agency to ***** about. What he didn't tell us is WHEN this occured. Were we in an enhanced security time? Was it after some new procedure that was put into place that takes some time to work out?

It happened in April...flights from Myrtle Beach/Charlotte to Jamaica Between customs,TSA and generally just sorry *** service we spent longer in cue than in the air....especially the return trip...Customs was a damn nightmare. To my knowledge there was nothing unusual going on in regard to new protocols. It was business as usual.

I do not need to "find" something to ***** about when it comes to inefficient...lazy *** governmental bureaucrats. What you would need to search for is a bureaucrat that does not fit this profile.

Another thing.....Does the TSA seek out the most rude and arrogant aholes it can find to work for it? I can think of no other group of people that have such bad attitudes toward those they are serving.

Maybe it is because of the people they are dealing with(you ) everyday. Hell, if I had a-hole customers ***** at me everday for doing my job, I am not sure I would be very friendly after a period of time on hte job either(I would guess you would too).

The problem is not with the customers. It is with these workers who have been given the power of the force of government and the will and guns to back it up. It has not taken them long to become arrogant bureaucrats.

I find it offensive that in addition to what I freely pay the carrier for transportation...I must also pay these people through the theft of the fruits of my labor to abuse me. I have no problem with freely paying the carrier for security...However...I object to being forced to pay for it by an oppressive government. Of course...There is not one damn thing I can do about it. I do not have a "choice"...since governmental solutions never involve allowing the consumer choices.

(07-29-2010 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 11:57 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 11:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 10:49 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 10:30 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Until the TSA goes away, I would still avoid flying unless it was absolutely necessary. My last trip abroad was a damn nightmare. I spent more time standing in lines than flight time. Something is totally wrong with this picture.

i don't think you can generalize here. my last trip abroad was fine. got through security no problem and my flight was on time.

He just needed to find something about a government agency to ***** about. What he didn't tell us is WHEN this occured. Were we in an enhanced security time? Was it after some new procedure that was put into place that takes some time to work out?

It happened in April...flights from Myrtle Beach/Charlotte to Jamaica Between customs,TSA and generally just sorry *** service we spent longer in cue than in the air....especially the return trip...Customs was a damn nightmare. To my knowledge there was nothing unusual going on in regard to new protocols. It was business as usual.

I do not need to "find" something to ***** about when it comes to inefficient...lazy *** governmental bureaucrats. What you would need to search for is a bureaucrat that does not fit this profile.

Another thing.....Does the TSA seek out the most rude and arrogant aholes it can find to work for it? I can think of no other group of people that have such bad attitudes toward those they are serving.

Maybe it is because of the people they are dealing with(you ) everyday. Hell, if I had a-hole customers ***** at me everday for doing my job, I am not sure I would be very friendly after a period of time on hte job either(I would guess you would too).

The problem is not with the customers. It is with these workers who have been given the power of the force of government and the will and guns to back it up. It has not taken them long to become arrogant bureaucrats.

I find it offensive that in addition to what I freely pay the carrier for transportation...I must also pay these people through the theft of the fruits of my labor to abuse me. I have no problem with freely paying the carrier for security...However...I object to being forced to pay for it by an oppressive government. Of course...There is not one damn thing I can do about it. I do not have a "choice"...since governmental solutions never involve allowing the consumer choices.

Actually, I bet if you asked them about stories of customers actions, you would disagree(though I have no proof of this, it is just a guess based on working in retail when I was much younger). As for paying for the security, I know you don't feel there should be any taxes(or any government to speak of) so that response is surprising to me.

(07-29-2010 11:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Another thing.....Does the TSA seek out the most rude and arrogant aholes it can find to work for it? I can think of no other group of people that have such bad attitudes toward those they are serving.

Then obviously you haven't spoken to anyone working the phones for the IRS ....

I haven't flown much over the past several months, but in the past I've been a regular flyer to DC and Baltimore. No issues ever with TSA, even after the whole deal in August 2006 with the plan to bomb all the flights going over the Atlantic. Honestly, I've never had an issue with the TSA workers in Dayton, DC, or Baltimore. Flying out of National Airport really wasn't a big issue.

One of my biggest gripes is that in order to be comfortable, I try to get an aisle seat ... even then, I usually have one foot out in the aisle to have enough leg room, which inevitably trips up the stewardesses or carts.

But, this is a pretty cool article. I'm encouraged to know someone is actually looking at some of these issues.

back to the topic...
Airlines maximize revenue by filling their planes. These ideas make sense, but if you are trying to maximize revenue, many of these don't work. The second floor idea may be good if you can work out the aerodynamics... but you're talking about a redesign of all of our planes which will take a long time.

SIngapore airline... Virgin... UAE may do some of this on what amounts to an "all premium" flight... but it won't be anywhere near the cheapest fare

FTR, I flew back from Scotland via Amsterdam a week after the "Christmas Bomber" was on a similar flight from Amsterdam. No big deal. The lines at X-Ray can be long, and people can be rude everywhere

(07-29-2010 01:10 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 11:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Another thing.....Does the TSA seek out the most rude and arrogant aholes it can find to work for it? I can think of no other group of people that have such bad attitudes toward those they are serving.

Then obviously you haven't spoken to anyone working the phones for the IRS ....

When it comes to flying I'd rather be packaged up and mailed to my destination than go through the grief at the airports and the cramped planes. This plan seems to help out with one of my gripes.

(07-29-2010 01:03 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 11:57 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 11:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 10:49 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 10:30 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-29-2010 08:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Until the TSA goes away, I would still avoid flying unless it was absolutely necessary. My last trip abroad was a damn nightmare. I spent more time standing in lines than flight time. Something is totally wrong with this picture.

i don't think you can generalize here. my last trip abroad was fine. got through security no problem and my flight was on time.

He just needed to find something about a government agency to ***** about. What he didn't tell us is WHEN this occured. Were we in an enhanced security time? Was it after some new procedure that was put into place that takes some time to work out?

It happened in April...flights from Myrtle Beach/Charlotte to Jamaica Between customs,TSA and generally just sorry *** service we spent longer in cue than in the air....especially the return trip...Customs was a damn nightmare. To my knowledge there was nothing unusual going on in regard to new protocols. It was business as usual.

I do not need to "find" something to ***** about when it comes to inefficient...lazy *** governmental bureaucrats. What you would need to search for is a bureaucrat that does not fit this profile.

Another thing.....Does the TSA seek out the most rude and arrogant aholes it can find to work for it? I can think of no other group of people that have such bad attitudes toward those they are serving.

Maybe it is because of the people they are dealing with(you ) everyday. Hell, if I had a-hole customers ***** at me everday for doing my job, I am not sure I would be very friendly after a period of time on hte job either(I would guess you would too).

The problem is not with the customers. It is with these workers who have been given the power of the force of government and the will and guns to back it up. It has not taken them long to become arrogant bureaucrats.

I find it offensive that in addition to what I freely pay the carrier for transportation...I must also pay these people through the theft of the fruits of my labor to abuse me. I have no problem with freely paying the carrier for security...However...I object to being forced to pay for it by an oppressive government. Of course...There is not one damn thing I can do about it. I do not have a "choice"...since governmental solutions never involve allowing the consumer choices.

Actually, I bet if you asked them about stories of customers actions, you would disagree(though I have no proof of this, it is just a guess based on working in retail when I was much younger). As for paying for the security, I know you don't feel there should be any taxes(or any government to speak of) so that response is surprising to me.

Where did I say that I wanted government security? I was referring to being willing to pay for security provided by the marketplace. In fact...I have made it clear over and over that I have no problem paying fees for things I use or consider important...voluntarily. It is being FORCED to pay for things that I consider repugnant and simply theft.

BTW...I understand fully that people are generally awful. I also worked retail and often encountered jackasses. The difference is in retail I was taught that the customer is alway right and my job depended on making the customer happy.......Bureaucrats are taught that THEY are always right. They can just about say or do anything they wish to their customers because they know just how hard it is to get them removed from their jobs. This country is FULL of incompetent,rude,lazy bureaucrats that would find it very hard to hold down a job in the private sector in a "productive" capacity. I understand there are lots of government workers with good attitudes and work skills. Unfortunately...they are few and far between and usually have experience working in the marketplace.

i love how a large majority of people said they would fly more if the seats were more comfortable. i think most people put Yes, just because they like the look of the designs. I mean really, would you fly more jsut because the seats are more comfortable? I only fly when i have to fly. I'm not going to start flying more simply because the seats are more comfortable. it would be a great bonus and yes i'd be willing to pay more for a ticket, but i certainly wouldn't fly more.

I'm a fan of the smaller, regional airports. In the past few years, I've flow in and out of Columbus (OH), Toledo (OH), Akron-Canton and Sarasota. Each time, the lines moved quickly and the entire experience was just so much more enjoyable than going through Philly, New Orleans, Detroit, etc.

Amusingly swoosh... if you talk to someone in the travel industry, they'll tell you that 1 in 1000 people worry about the size or configuration of the plane... even looking at the airlines who charge for seats with more legroom, it's not a popular option. Everyone wants an aisle or a bulkhead or the exit row, but few will pay for it. People fly based on price. Not 100%, but I'm confident its more than 80.

As for regional airports, that's fine and well, so long as you aren't going particularly far.