Allah gives you cheap, stupid terrorists. He still had $5000 on him when he was arrested. Imagine if he had spent it on the bomb.

Thankfully, it didn't go off as planned.

A secret FBI test of a correctly made version of the Times Square bomb revealed that it "would have killed thousands of people" if it had been made to explode as terrorists had intended, law-enforcement sources told The Post yesterday.

Had he built the Times Square device the way he had originally intended to, terrorist Faisal Shahzad, would have turned his SUV and nearby vehicles into a fatal spray of razor-sharp fragments and transformed building windows into glass guillotines hurtling to the streets, cutting down hundreds of people walking by.

The results were discovered after feds composed the type of bomb Shahzad set out to make -- with the exact components he had initially intended to use -- and exploded it in Pennsylvania last month.

"It would have been the biggest thing ever to happen in this country since Sept. 11," another source said.

"It definitely would have been bigger than [the 1995] Oklahoma City" bombing of the federal building that killed 168 people, the source said. "There would have been a lot of casualties."

"Any car going down that block or parked nearby would have been turned into fragments, because that SUV's going to rip apart those cars. More people get killed by the fragments than the actual explosion."

Shahzad's homemade bomb -- on which he substituted less effective, cheaper components for the more expensive and deadly components he had planned to use -- was left in the back seat of his parked SUV in the middle of Times Square, where it smoldered but failed to detonate.

At the end of June, the FBI built its replica of the bomb and exploded it outside Harrisburg, Pa., to test its destructive force, sources said.

The results of the explosive test were sobering -- showing that Shahzad was on track to becoming the biggest individual mass murderer in US history, several sources said.

"This attempt failed," one source said. "But no one thinks this is the only time someone is going to try to blow something up in Times Square."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manha...z0uDixkHwB

IIRC, this was the case where various leftists, politicians and some news reporter (can't remember her name) could barely hide their disappointment that he wasn't a 'Tea Party' type?

(07-20-2010 11:05 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  IIRC, this was the case where various leftists, politicians and some news reporter (can't remember her name) could barely hide their disappointment that he wasn't a 'Tea Party' type?

I would LOVE to see evidence that "various leftists, politiciansand some news reporter" were disappointed it didn't go off. You my friend are insane and need to seek professional help.

(07-20-2010 11:12 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 11:05 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  IIRC, this was the case where various leftists, politicians and some news reporter (can't remember her name) could barely hide their disappointment that he wasn't a 'Tea Party' type?

I would LOVE to see evidence that "various leftists, politiciansand some news reporter" were disappointed it didn't go off. You my friend are insane and need to seek professional help.

All you had to do was ask....

Quote:COURIC: Law enforcement officials don`t know who left the Nissan Pathfinder behind, but at this point, the mayor believes the suspect acted alone.

BLOOMBERG: If I had to guess 25 cents, this would be exactly that, somebody—

COURIC (on camera): A home-grown.

BLOOMBERG: Home-grown, maybe a mentally deranged person or somebody with a political agenda that doesn`t like the health-care bill or something. It could be anything.

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/05/04/c...tea-party/

Quote:Anonymous sources at the scene have reported that the terrorist attack is likely related to theSarah Palin Tea Party movement. "Much like the 911 attackers, Sarah Palin's Tea Party movement also has shown a strong dislike of the United States government." one source reported.

http://electionink.com/content.php/136-T...e-SUV-bomb

Quote:It may be that the Pakistan-based Taliban, the Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP), has quietly established a Connecticut franchise while we weren't looking. That's possible. But it seems far more likely to me that the perpetrator of the bungled Times Square bomb plot was either a lone wolf or a member of some squirrely branch of the Tea Party, anti-government far right. Which actually exists in Connecticut, where, it seems, the car's licence plates were stolen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...quare-bomb

Robert,
The mainstream media really immediately pushed the theory that the bomber was home grown, right winger anti-government etc.
I can't remember for sure but I think you even posted the above thoughts, very quickly, on this board when all of this happened.
The mainstream media was cheerleading and hoping that the perp wasn't a muslim, too bad for your side of the aisle.

(07-20-2010 11:23 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 11:12 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-20-2010 11:05 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  IIRC, this was the case where various leftists, politicians and some news reporter (can't remember her name) could barely hide their disappointment that he wasn't a 'Tea Party' type?

I would LOVE to see evidence that "various leftists, politiciansand some news reporter" were disappointed it didn't go off. You my friend are insane and need to seek professional help.

All you had to do was ask....

Quote:COURIC: Law enforcement officials don`t know who left the Nissan Pathfinder behind, but at this point, the mayor believes the suspect acted alone.

BLOOMBERG: If I had to guess 25 cents, this would be exactly that, somebody—

COURIC (on camera): A home-grown.

BLOOMBERG: Home-grown, maybe a mentally deranged person or somebody with a political agenda that doesn`t like the health-care bill or something. It could be anything.

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/05/04/c...tea-party/

Quote:Anonymous sources at the scene have reported that the terrorist attack is likely related to theSarah Palin Tea Party movement. "Much like the 911 attackers, Sarah Palin's Tea Party movement also has shown a strong dislike of the United States government." one source reported.

http://electionink.com/content.php/136-T...e-SUV-bomb

Quote:It may be that the Pakistan-based Taliban, the Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP), has quietly established a Connecticut franchise while we weren't looking. That's possible. But it seems far more likely to me that the perpetrator of the bungled Times Square bomb plot was either a lone wolf or a member of some squirrely branch of the Tea Party, anti-government far right. Which actually exists in Connecticut, where, it seems, the car's licence plates were stolen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...quare-bomb

I don't see how ANY of those is anyone WANTING the bomb to be successful.

(07-20-2010 11:39 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Robert,
The mainstream media really immediately pushed the theory that the bomber was home grown, right winger anti-government etc.
I can't remember for sure but I think you even posted the above thoughts, very quickly, on this board when all of this happened.
The mainstream media was cheerleading and hoping that the perp wasn't a muslim, too bad for your side of the aisle.

What is your point? I may have thought it was a rightwing group and others may have thought it was a rightwing group but that doesn't mean that any of us were disappointed that it didn't blow up.

Re-read Motown's post, Robert.

He said the disappointment was due to the fact that this ******* wasn't a tea party nut, not that it didn't go off.

Or continue to look foolish. Your call.

(07-20-2010 12:06 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Re-read Motown's post, Robert.

He said the disappointment was due to the fact that this ******* wasn't a tea party nut, not that it didn't go off.

Or continue to look foolish. Your call.

THose still don't say that they were disappointed that it wasn't a "tea party type".

Oh, Robert. You misquote someone, and argue about your quote... and then when corrected, you suddenly think details are important?? Give it a rest.

The media certainly advanced the idea from the start that it WASN'T a foriegn extremist, but a home grown extremist... and put "the tea party" in that category. You've been given proof of that. You have absolutely ZERO evidence that the tea party represents violence in any way, and while you might dislike their politics, they are more educated and more affluent than either party... not exactly the "target market" for extremist recruiters. The Tea Party is no more extremist than the Republican or Democratic party and thus no more likely to do this than anyone else... yet not ONE source suggested it could be a left-leaning anti-war activist or a left leaning environmental nut... OR THE OBVIOUS AND ULTIMATELY CORRECT assumption that it was someone with ties to radical Islam.

Whether or not they "expressed disappointment", they certainly expressed a willingness to slander a law-abiding group of people who have NOT ONCE been associated with violence in order to spare a group of people with a long and horrible history of violence.

FTR - The Tea Party by definition isn't a bunch of anti-government anarchists as you and other suggest. SMALL government doesn't IN ANY WAY mean UNIMPORTANT government.

Contessa Brewer Wrote:I mean the thing is is that and I get frustrated and there was part of me that was hoping this was not going to be anybody with ties to any kind of Islamic country because there are a lot of people who want to use this terrorist intent to justify writing off people who believe in a certain way or come from certain countries or whose skin color is a certain way. I mean they use it as justification for really outdated bigotry.

And so there was part of me was really hoping this would not be the case that here would be somebody who is not the defined. I mean he’s accused he’s arrested you know I don’t want to convict him before it’s time to do so. He’s the guy authorities say is involved. But that being said I mean we know even in recent history you have the Hutaree militia from Michigan who have plans to let’s face it create terror.

That’s what they were planning to do and they were doing so from far different backgrounds then what this guy is coming from. So, the threat is not just coming from people who decide that America is the place to be and you know come here and want to become citizens. Obviously this guy did.

Robert,

Me: " ... disappointment that he wasn't a 'Tea Party' type."
You: "I would LOVE to see evidence ... were disappointed it didn't go off."



End of story.

Classic Roberta

(07-20-2010 12:46 PM)RobertN Wrote:  THose still don't say that they were disappointed that it wasn't a "tea party type".

Your strawman attempt and/or comprehension error aside, I'll go ahead and address this.

To have a "*********" caught red-handed (before he had the chance to commit the act, if I need to spell it out for you) would give the Left its 'holy grail'. Tea Party activitists, and all supporters and like-minded individuals, will be resoundly painted with this brush until the group was in constant defense-mode (guilty by association) and in tatters. "Terrorist organization!" even has far more punch than "Racist!".

So, please don't tell me with a straight face that - upon hearing about this failed attempt in NYC - frequenters to Daily Kos, HuffPo, DemUnderground, etc, weren't secretly (or not so secretly) hoping it was some "dumb rural hick" with a screw loose.

Nidal Malik Hasan, the Ft Hood killer was a Muslim terrorist with ties to al Qaeda and the Obama Admin. and the Lame Stream Media won't even call it that.

They wont call real, self admitted, convicted terrorists, be they Muslim or "friends of Obama", terrorists but they relish repeating, with no evidence, "potential terrorists" when discussing the tea party.