(07-19-2010 02:51 PM)fsquid Wrote:  too much money and beuracracy in the youth system to tear it down.

Out here in CA, there are so many competing youth systems, that no talent scout could ever find the best and the brightest.

(07-19-2010 12:28 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-19-2010 12:21 PM)I45owl Wrote:  Shouldn't we expect the US to produce a world class striker at least once every couple of years?

We've never really had one, so I'm not sure how often we should produce one.

Rossi

(07-22-2010 10:15 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  

(07-19-2010 12:28 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-19-2010 12:21 PM)I45owl Wrote:  Shouldn't we expect the US to produce a world class striker at least once every couple of years?

We've never really had one, so I'm not sure how often we should produce one.

Rossi

Rossi is very good....much better than anything else we have, but calling him world class is a stretch. He is Jermaine Defoe without the drunk driving and the crazy family.

(07-18-2010 11:38 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-18-2010 02:31 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Bradley made some costly mistakes that probably ended up in our losing to Ghana. Starting ricardo clark over edu was indefensible and made no sense. Contuing to put findley up top when he'd produced nothing over 3 games instead of starting feilhaber was also a horrendous choice. He also probably should've stuck with onyewu in the center who, though not fully fit, wouldn't have let gyan get off that first shot like demerit and bocanegra did. Of course, if he hadn't started clark we never would've given up the first goal anyway, as clark started the breakaway by trying to go 1 on 1 with somebody in the middle of the field with nothing to gain

i was not impressed with his match to match adjustments.

Of course, the real thing the US needs is a finisher like a Klose, who picks up garbage goals and finishes chances. We create a lot but nobody knows what to do when they're one on one with the keeper

I'd agree that a world class closer is the biggest need of this team, but I was frankly disappointed with Onyewu during the cup. I thought he was a shining star out of the confederations cup last year, but I don't think the problem was entirely fitness. I believe one of the biggest problems that the US had was allowing the opposition to set up shots with the ball free from about 25 yards. No-one - including Onyewu - was closing space with them to prevent their shots. At least one of the preliminary round goals went right past Onyewu who stood to block the ball rather than closing in to the forward. For that reason, I guess I'm more sympathetic to Bradley ... but, I frankly haven't kept tabs on the strength and weaknesses of individual defenders. I was very very disappointed when Onyewu went down last year.

I agree never really have liked gooch. He is a physical player, but is dumb as a rock on the field. If you look at previous matches before his injury he did the same thing, lets his player continue on runs and just floats nonchalantly towards the are of the ball, I'm sorry but that is something that U10 players do. The one thing he has improved on are those stupid fouls he gives in the defending third

Whomever we get, I hope he plays a more attacking style and more one touch... damn it is frustrating watching a player every time make a touch and then pass it to a guy whom is less than 15 yards away.

(07-24-2010 12:26 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(07-18-2010 11:38 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-18-2010 02:31 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Bradley made some costly mistakes that probably ended up in our losing to Ghana. Starting ricardo clark over edu was indefensible and made no sense. Contuing to put findley up top when he'd produced nothing over 3 games instead of starting feilhaber was also a horrendous choice. He also probably should've stuck with onyewu in the center who, though not fully fit, wouldn't have let gyan get off that first shot like demerit and bocanegra did. Of course, if he hadn't started clark we never would've given up the first goal anyway, as clark started the breakaway by trying to go 1 on 1 with somebody in the middle of the field with nothing to gain

i was not impressed with his match to match adjustments.

Of course, the real thing the US needs is a finisher like a Klose, who picks up garbage goals and finishes chances. We create a lot but nobody knows what to do when they're one on one with the keeper

I'd agree that a world class closer is the biggest need of this team, but I was frankly disappointed with Onyewu during the cup. I thought he was a shining star out of the confederations cup last year, but I don't think the problem was entirely fitness. I believe one of the biggest problems that the US had was allowing the opposition to set up shots with the ball free from about 25 yards. No-one - including Onyewu - was closing space with them to prevent their shots. At least one of the preliminary round goals went right past Onyewu who stood to block the ball rather than closing in to the forward. For that reason, I guess I'm more sympathetic to Bradley ... but, I frankly haven't kept tabs on the strength and weaknesses of individual defenders. I was very very disappointed when Onyewu went down last year.

I agree never really have liked gooch. He is a physical player, but is dumb as a rock on the field. If you look at previous matches before his injury he did the same thing, lets his player continue on runs and just floats nonchalantly towards the are of the ball, I'm sorry but that is something that U10 players do. The one thing he has improved on are those stupid fouls he gives in the defending third

Whomever we get, I hope he plays a more attacking style and more one touch... damn it is frustrating watching a player every time make a touch and then pass it to a guy whom is less than 15 yards away.

It's hard to teach touch to adult players who don't already possess it. You need to get them young on that.

(07-24-2010 12:59 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-24-2010 12:26 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(07-18-2010 11:38 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-18-2010 02:31 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Bradley made some costly mistakes that probably ended up in our losing to Ghana. Starting ricardo clark over edu was indefensible and made no sense. Contuing to put findley up top when he'd produced nothing over 3 games instead of starting feilhaber was also a horrendous choice. He also probably should've stuck with onyewu in the center who, though not fully fit, wouldn't have let gyan get off that first shot like demerit and bocanegra did. Of course, if he hadn't started clark we never would've given up the first goal anyway, as clark started the breakaway by trying to go 1 on 1 with somebody in the middle of the field with nothing to gain

i was not impressed with his match to match adjustments.

Of course, the real thing the US needs is a finisher like a Klose, who picks up garbage goals and finishes chances. We create a lot but nobody knows what to do when they're one on one with the keeper

I'd agree that a world class closer is the biggest need of this team, but I was frankly disappointed with Onyewu during the cup. I thought he was a shining star out of the confederations cup last year, but I don't think the problem was entirely fitness. I believe one of the biggest problems that the US had was allowing the opposition to set up shots with the ball free from about 25 yards. No-one - including Onyewu - was closing space with them to prevent their shots. At least one of the preliminary round goals went right past Onyewu who stood to block the ball rather than closing in to the forward. For that reason, I guess I'm more sympathetic to Bradley ... but, I frankly haven't kept tabs on the strength and weaknesses of individual defenders. I was very very disappointed when Onyewu went down last year.

I agree never really have liked gooch. He is a physical player, but is dumb as a rock on the field. If you look at previous matches before his injury he did the same thing, lets his player continue on runs and just floats nonchalantly towards the are of the ball, I'm sorry but that is something that U10 players do. The one thing he has improved on are those stupid fouls he gives in the defending third

Whomever we get, I hope he plays a more attacking style and more one touch... damn it is frustrating watching a player every time make a touch and then pass it to a guy whom is less than 15 yards away.

It's hard to teach touch to adult players who don't already possess it. You need to get them young on that.

Wow that is hard to believe that players at that level have not played one touch.

(07-24-2010 01:46 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(07-24-2010 12:59 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-24-2010 12:26 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(07-18-2010 11:38 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-18-2010 02:31 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Bradley made some costly mistakes that probably ended up in our losing to Ghana. Starting ricardo clark over edu was indefensible and made no sense. Contuing to put findley up top when he'd produced nothing over 3 games instead of starting feilhaber was also a horrendous choice. He also probably should've stuck with onyewu in the center who, though not fully fit, wouldn't have let gyan get off that first shot like demerit and bocanegra did. Of course, if he hadn't started clark we never would've given up the first goal anyway, as clark started the breakaway by trying to go 1 on 1 with somebody in the middle of the field with nothing to gain

i was not impressed with his match to match adjustments.

Of course, the real thing the US needs is a finisher like a Klose, who picks up garbage goals and finishes chances. We create a lot but nobody knows what to do when they're one on one with the keeper

I'd agree that a world class closer is the biggest need of this team, but I was frankly disappointed with Onyewu during the cup. I thought he was a shining star out of the confederations cup last year, but I don't think the problem was entirely fitness. I believe one of the biggest problems that the US had was allowing the opposition to set up shots with the ball free from about 25 yards. No-one - including Onyewu - was closing space with them to prevent their shots. At least one of the preliminary round goals went right past Onyewu who stood to block the ball rather than closing in to the forward. For that reason, I guess I'm more sympathetic to Bradley ... but, I frankly haven't kept tabs on the strength and weaknesses of individual defenders. I was very very disappointed when Onyewu went down last year.

I agree never really have liked gooch. He is a physical player, but is dumb as a rock on the field. If you look at previous matches before his injury he did the same thing, lets his player continue on runs and just floats nonchalantly towards the are of the ball, I'm sorry but that is something that U10 players do. The one thing he has improved on are those stupid fouls he gives in the defending third

Whomever we get, I hope he plays a more attacking style and more one touch... damn it is frustrating watching a player every time make a touch and then pass it to a guy whom is less than 15 yards away.

It's hard to teach touch to adult players who don't already possess it. You need to get them young on that.

Wow that is hard to believe that players at that level have not played one touch.

Have you seen Bradley, or Edu, or Kljiestan, or Bornstein, or Altidore, or Findley, or Onyewu, or Holden, or Bedoya, or Convey, or Marshall, or Rodgers, or any MLS game? That's half of our next WC team right there and they all have feet of solid rock.

(07-24-2010 12:26 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I agree never really have liked gooch. He is a physical player, but is dumb as a rock on the field. If you look at previous matches before his injury he did the same thing, lets his player continue on runs and just floats nonchalantly towards the are of the ball, I'm sorry but that is something that U10 players do. The one thing he has improved on are those stupid fouls he gives in the defending third

I was pretty high on him before the injury, but if this is a problem that predates his injury, then I made a big error in judgement. In perspective, I've probably only seen him play 1/2 dozen games. That goes a long way to explain how the US gives up early leads.

(07-19-2010 12:28 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-19-2010 12:21 PM)I45owl Wrote:  Shouldn't we expect the US to produce a world class striker at least once every couple of years?

We've never really had one, so I'm not sure how often we should produce one.

Wynalda lit up the German first division for half a season when he first went over, that's about the closest we have had. Clint Mathis showed promise but his attitude and his affinity for beer and cigarettes did him in.