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(06-28-2010 09:55 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-28-2010 09:03 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  Hmmm, a "scolding" like this from a poster who wrote:

in answer to:For the Big Ten, their consultants have told everyone that expansion makes financial sense, they have said they will all make more money, not just stand pat.

Adcorbett wrote:You are basing way to much on the info the Big Ten consultants leaked (two weeks after being hired I might add), that just so happens to benefit them, which goes against everyone else who has studied it

The Big Ten btw expanded

Hmm, I like how you edit these things and take them out of context. Considering I was responding to someone talking about expanding to involve more than 12 teams, Oh did I mention that someone in that post I made caviat that they would never expand past 12 teams without Notre Dame and Texas, and that they would never capture the New York market based on the teams they were targeting. But oh yeah, sure, I am totally off base. By the way, how many did they expand to again? and what was the subject of the blog entry we are responding to? I'd say I was on to something.

Hmm, Actually you were responding to one of my posts regarding the B10 adding 1-5 candidates, not going past 12 as you now try and pretend. But then you always have been a master of posting things then denying or trying to twist it around later to pretend you have any intelligence. You chastise Frank, yet can't admit once again YOU WERE WRONG ON THIS


(06-28-2010 09:03 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  in answer to: the SEC network that has come about due to the BTN is NOTHING like what the Big East has with it's network.

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It is exactly the same. What channel is it on? What other sports does it carry?

The SEC Network games are exactly the same as ours. They are syndicated, and mostly available on PPV if not in your market. how does that differ from ours. I live in SEC country, so I know.

Nice quote. I am waiting for the part that was incorrect. The SEC "Network" is exactly like ours. It is a trade name for the syndicated programming ESPN sells that involve SEC teams. It is not a real network. I believe I was responding to you on that quote, no? So where can I find this SEC Network you speak of? What channel is it on?

And I posted months ago how you are incorrect:http://www.secsports.com/news/default.as...leId=12966

"The SEC Network, through the efforts of ESPN, will be the largest college sports syndication television package in the country," SEC Commissioner Mike Slive said. "The comprehensive market coverage in the nine-state SEC area combined with the out-of-market reach gives us significant additional exposure for our programs."

The markets that will air the package represent more than 54 million television households, or 47 percent of the U.S. Before the first football game this season, as clearance work continues, the coverage area will be larger still. The 15-year agreement between ESPN and the SEC begins with the 2009-10 season and continues through 2023-24.

Why I post this again since you have no comprehension is a mystery even to myself--but others who read here understand so at least that is worth it.

The SEC's "channel" is ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, etc. Their events are on around the country in far more markets than BE games are (many without ppv--another difference from the BEN). There are coverage of more sports, they have studio shows and on and on. It is like the BE coverage in name only. Every day you can see SEC coverage on the ESPN networks. But of course you once again can't admit YOU WERE WRONG AGAIN.


(06-28-2010 09:03 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  In response to: Even if they stick with ESPN the ACC is due an increase,

Adcorbett wrote: The ACC is NOT due an increase. They are ALL worried because they were overpaid in the contract negotiated after expansion, and their rights fees are expected to go way down. Way down.

Well, let's see, they were not "due" an increase. And they did not get one by "sticking with ESPN," or just because ESPN thought they were owed more. They received an increase because they shopped their package to Fox, and thus the second bidder drove up the price. Any prediction can be incorrect without all relevant info. Most others who spoke on the subject, whcih you failed to post as well, thought the ACC was due for an inflation increase at best, or even a slight decrease. There was one person who insisted they would get an increase in the $100 -$120 million a year range, but no one predicted Fox would be a serious bidder.

I was wrong in my prediction, but not remotely in the way you are implying. And if you really want to go there, my wording was by "sticking with ESPN," which meant just by renegotiationg only with ESPN. Since that never happened, no one really knows what would have happend had it played out like we thought. The ACC would have been more valuable to Fox because they don't have any other eastern time zone national college sports inventory, and they would have bascially created an ACC netowrk (that they owned), and made money like we are hoping to do with a Big East Network. ESPN could not afford that to happen (and the same will happen if we have a second bidder), but of course you knew that, right? 05-nono


YOU WERE WRONG. Wrong exactly as I'm stating-not implying. YOU WERE WRONG. Just as you now have the audacity to criticize someone else--this time in Frank the Tank. The post you responded to stated that the ACC would get an increase based on the evidence-and you just had to throw your pretend knowledge in there once again. YOU WERE WRONG AGAIN.


(06-28-2010 09:03 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  In response to: The ACC is about to get an increase in tv deals.

Adcorbett wrote: Not sure where you get your information, but it is bad. very very bad

I could go on but don't have all day. I think we all get the picture from just these few statements how accurate and knowledgeable this AD character is
See above.

I do see above--ONCE AGAIN_YOU WERE WRONG. I mean, I'm not sure where you get your information from, but you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.


I suppose you could "go on all day," but so far you swing hard and missed on two, and had would would be considered a broken bat single on the third.

Now, I could go on "all day" about a poster who constantly posts subjective information, tries to pass them off as "facts," then bombard anyone who qho questions said info with requests for "factual analysis" to prove their subjective theories incorrect. I could also post about a poster who is materially incorrect about many things he posts, not that their opinion is wrong, but the actual facts being argued are incorrect. I could go on about how said poster realy is cluseless half the time about what he is talking about, but that really would not be necessary because most everyone who posts on here regularly already knows all of this.

Perhaps you need to look up subjective yourself. It is you that constantly posts subjective information (which you apparently don't understand by your lame a$$ childish signature). You post baseless information incessantly. Then when you are called out on it you pretend you said something else or meant it in a different way.
It's obvious you have no clue what you are trying to talk about, but of course everyone else here can clearly see this. You will not admit it but we all know the truth. Perhaps before criticizing other posters you should check some facts, look up the meaning of "subjective" since YOU don't know what it means, and better yet keep quiet if you don't have anything other than trying to piggyback on someone else's post's by acting like you are the local "post" critic. You'd need to have at least a basic level of comprehension to actually be able to critique someone else and from what all can see, you have very little of this. Maybe stick to criticizing your own posts for errors before you waste all of our time from now on.
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(06-28-2010 11:16 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-28-2010 11:09 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  Still waiting to see actual TV numbers. Somehow I don't believe they will be as good as "advertised". 03-wink

Cheers,
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I will say this much. I don't see how the Big Ten will lose money by adding Nebraska, especially if you add in money from a Big Tenchampionship game. So from that regard, it is a net gain.

Oh, I have no concerns with the Big Ten numbers. I was referring to the Big 12 numbers. I'm not convinced they can wind up giving UT, A&M, and OU nearly $20 million each in terms of TV dollars.

But then again, the ACC numbers shocked me, and every other business analysis I saw. Most had a modest increase of up to $105 million annually. To get $155 million annually for that product with those poor ratings shows Swofford knows what he is doing.

The question remains, will Bebee be proven right?

Cheers,
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(06-28-2010 05:22 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  Gibberish

You are a funny dude. You are so dense, you don't even realize what is wrong with your above post. 01-wingedeagle

For one, you are still trying to call me out by posting exactly what I am sayinga bove, and just don't understand it, both about expansion past 12, and the SEC "network." I honestly can't believe you actually just posted that blurb on the SEC Network to try and prove a point, as you obviously still can't comprehend what it means. In your own post, from the release, and I quote "The SEC Network, through the efforts of ESPN, will be the largest college sports syndication television package in the country." And my words, and I quote "The SEC "Network" is exactly like ours. It is a trade name for the syndicated programming ESPN sells that involve SEC teams. It is not a real network." Can you figure it out yet? Or do you need a slide rule? 04-chairshot

Yes I post subjective information. Most of us do. The difference is, we don't try to tell anyone it is factual, when it is not. But since your use of the of the word indicates you think subjective means incorrect, you will fail to see the difference. And my signature is not "childish;" I just was tired of having to write it after everytime you posting soem thread full of subjecive information and decry anyone who disagrees with your "factual analysis" as uninformed. the irony is of course your lack of understanding of what "factual analysis" actually is. If you actually took the time to look up the definitions asked in my signature line, you may find that you will no longer have 10-15 posters per thread arguing with your "facts."
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(06-28-2010 09:13 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I do think 12 is the ideal number for a league but going to 14 or 16 might work with the right set of teams for some conferences.

The easiest scenario is two groups of 8 that have little interest in playing schools from the other 8. When you start having to preserve cross-division rivalries, 14 and 16 become problematic.
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(06-28-2010 07:45 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  Oh, I have no concerns with the Big Ten numbers. I was referring to the Big 12 numbers. I'm not convinced they can wind up giving UT, A&M, and OU nearly $20 million each in terms of TV dollars.

I really cant' see it either. Especially since those three schools would seem to be the ones chosen for national TV games most weeks; where is the content for an individual school network that is going to make all of these millions coming from? And does aTm have to try to get peopel to buy their network after Texas has already sold theirs?
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(06-29-2010 10:41 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-28-2010 07:45 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  Oh, I have no concerns with the Big Ten numbers. I was referring to the Big 12 numbers. I'm not convinced they can wind up giving UT, A&M, and OU nearly $20 million each in terms of TV dollars.

I really cant' see it either. Especially since those three schools would seem to be the ones chosen for national TV games most weeks; where is the content for an individual school network that is going to make all of these millions coming from? And does aTm have to try to get peopel to buy their network after Texas has already sold theirs?

Just a guess here.....but for football.....it will have to be those 3rd tier games (games that don't get ESPN/ABC, nor FSN National)......so, you're talking about games that go PPV inside the respective state. (Maybe a game like Texas vs. Iowa State?)
Other content will have to come from Olympic Sports....lots of baseball/softball, IMO. Not sure about basketball.
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(06-29-2010 11:23 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  Just a guess here.....but for football.....it will have to be those 3rd tier games (games that don't get ESPN/ABC, nor FSN National)......so, you're talking about games that go PPV inside the respective state. (Maybe a game like Texas vs. Iowa State?)
Other content will have to come from Olympic Sports....lots of baseball/softball, IMO. Not sure about basketball.

Right, but if you have an individual team network, and nine of your games are on national TV, that means you have a network built around football and only shows three live games per year, of which most are non-conference guarantee games or against Baylor. That's what I meant. Now, if it is a network for an entire confernce, then you will have several games per week to air.
BTW, if these schools can get individual networks, then there is no reason the BE should not have a network up and running in short order.
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(06-29-2010 10:34 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-28-2010 05:22 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  Gibberish

You are so dense, you don't even realize what is wrong with your above post. 01-wingedeagle

This is why I've taken to just scrolling right on past his posts. Much easier that way.
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(06-29-2010 11:40 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  This is why I've taken to just scrolling right on past his posts. Much easier that way.


I should, but its like a car crash, I just can't resist. Especially when it is so blatant.
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(06-29-2010 11:38 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-29-2010 11:23 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  Just a guess here.....but for football.....it will have to be those 3rd tier games (games that don't get ESPN/ABC, nor FSN National)......so, you're talking about games that go PPV inside the respective state. (Maybe a game like Texas vs. Iowa State?)
Other content will have to come from Olympic Sports....lots of baseball/softball, IMO. Not sure about basketball.

Right, but if you have an individual team network, and nine of your games are on national TV, that means you have a network built around football and only shows three live games per year, of which most are non-conference guarantee games or against Baylor. That's what I meant. Now, if it is a network for an entire confernce, then you will have several games per week to air.
BTW, if these schools can get individual networks, then there is no reason the BE should not have a network up and running in short order.

I agree with your take on the individual team network idea. Seems like a better idea on paper, then in reality. Just not enough live quality football content, IMO.
The Conference network seems like a better idea. More quality content. Better value for consumers, who are slicing and dicing and picking apart their cable bills with a fine tooth comb.
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(06-28-2010 07:45 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  
(06-28-2010 11:16 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-28-2010 11:09 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  Still waiting to see actual TV numbers. Somehow I don't believe they will be as good as "advertised". 03-wink

Cheers,
Neil

I will say this much. I don't see how the Big Ten will lose money by adding Nebraska, especially if you add in money from a Big Tenchampionship game. So from that regard, it is a net gain.

Oh, I have no concerns with the Big Ten numbers. I was referring to the Big 12 numbers. I'm not convinced they can wind up giving UT, A&M, and OU nearly $20 million each in terms of TV dollars.

But then again, the ACC numbers shocked me, and every other business analysis I saw. Most had a modest increase of up to $105 million annually. To get $155 million annually for that product with those poor ratings shows Swofford knows what he is doing.

The question remains, will Bebee be proven right?

Cheers,
Neil

Swofford was an excellent AD at Carolina.
While at Chapel Hill, he was offered and turned down the AD's job at Michigan.
The ACC has an excellent management team, and Swofford is an outstanding leader.
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These two articles are must read, IMO:

http://tinyurl.com/2a39l8n

http://tinyurl.com/37aw3ky

"The Big 12’s cable deal with FSN, which runs through 2011-12, pays the conference $20 million annually. Sources say Fox provided guidance to the conference that it would be willing to increase its rights fee to $45 million next year and up to $60 million by 2016. Those were projections, though, and the conference must still go through the formal negotiations.

The conference’s $60 million-a-year contract with ABC/ESPN runs through 2015-16. Beebe received guidance that the conference would get about $100 million for those rights. Network info convinced the Big 12 that its games will bring in $160 million a year by 2016.

All told, network guidance convinced the 10-member Big 12 that media deals will bring the conference a total of about $160 million a year by 2016. That would slightly top the $155 million a year the 12-member ACC recently got from ESPN through 2023"
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(06-29-2010 10:35 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(06-28-2010 09:13 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I do think 12 is the ideal number for a league but going to 14 or 16 might work with the right set of teams for some conferences.

The easiest scenario is two groups of 8 that have little interest in playing schools from the other 8. When you start having to preserve cross-division rivalries, 14 and 16 become problematic.

That is what I think CUSA should do as it seems their eastern and western divisions have no desire to play each other. 14 would work very well for CUSA if they could stomach splitting their tv dollars by 14 instead of 12.

9 game schedule with 12 teams is the best scenario in my opinion (5 divisional games, 2 permanent cross division games, and 2 rotating cross division games). You only miss out on 2 non divisional opponents a year and this pretty much ensures all rivalries can be preserved. The ACC would be much better off if each school was given a second permanent cross divisional rival.
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