(06-27-2010 05:41 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:42 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:28 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Every single thing said in this article was said about Cincinnati, which is why I believe that Houston could succeed at a national level in the Big East. Also, everyone talks about the UCF/USF rivalrym imagine a rivalry with TCU and a Top 25 Houston program?

FYI...UH hasn't been ranked in season ending polls since 1990.

Also, the last time UH hosted TCU in football during the regular season, an announced crowd of 21,136 decided to show up (or least be counted).

The last UCF/USF game drew an overflow soldout crowd...and this OT game was carried live on Saturday Night in PrimeTime by ESPN2.

Last time TCU and Houston played in the regular season in Houston was 2003 and both TCU and Houston have grown their programs pretty nicely since 03. Obviously not a regular season game, but when TCU and Houston met up in the Houston bowl a couple years ago it drew a crowd of 62,097.

(06-27-2010 06:28 PM)DawsonUCF Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 06:08 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  Game 4 was only big because of ESPN trying to make us look like the bad guy for not scheduling you anymore. And because your fans are obsessed with beating us (something you rarely do in any sport)

Game 3 had potential to be fun, but when were up 50 in the 3rd quarter it really sucks the life out of the game. The West Virginia game earlier that year was a lot more fun.

(06-27-2010 05:33 PM)DawsonUCF Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 03:09 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:42 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:28 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Every single thing said in this article was said about Cincinnati, which is why I believe that Houston could succeed at a national level in the Big East. Also, everyone talks about the UCF/USF rivalrym imagine a rivalry with TCU and a Top 25 Houston program?

FYI...UH hasn't been ranked in season ending polls since 1990.

Also, the last time UH hosted TCU in football during the regular season, an announced crowd of 21,136 decided to show up (or least be counted).

The last UCF/USF game drew an overflow soldout crowd...and this OT game was carried live on Saturday Night in PrimeTime by ESPN2.

FYI, UCF has never been ranked, at any point, in any poll, ever.

You are right. UCF has been close a couple of times, but didn't get in. USF didn't get ranked until they joined the BCS BE. If UCF got the BCS label, you know darned well UCF would greatly improve and gain the benefits that USF has gained. That's your worry.

What does this have to do with USF? You guys have such an inferiority complex. Everytime something negative is said about your program you try and drag USF down to that level.

You could say the same thing about Houston then. The comparison is UCF vs Houston. Is UCF the only school that will improve with a BCS label? If we are assuming that both of your schools will improve x amount with a BCS label, wouldnt Houston improving from a place far ahead of you make them that much more attractive?

No, no inferiority complex. Just responding to your post. What did your post have to do with the UCF/USF game?

And you are right about Houston and several other non-BCS teams. All would do very well with the BCS lable, just like USF.

You're blind hatred for everything UCF clouds your judgement?

The USF/UCF game post i made was responding to yours right above it?

USF was doing fine before they got BCS. Finished our last year independent ranked 26th. Had wins over top 25 teams. Big east just accelerated our upward swing.

I have no hatred for UCF. Just think youre the 5th best option for expansion, maybe 6th if Temple can get their act together.

This conversation has nothing to do with USF, despite your efforts to make it so. I dont know if youve noticed or not, but we're already in the Big East. Expansion has nothing to do with us, outside of our say in who should be let in and ultimately our vote.

You make yourself look stupid when everytime something negative is said about your school, you say "Oh but if USF wasnt in the big east theyd be the same way." Not sure if youve noticed, but we never do that with you guys. In fact if the big east expands to 12 and you guys arent included, the majority of our fans will not even think about you guys.

(06-27-2010 05:33 PM)DawsonUCF Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 03:09 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:42 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:28 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Every single thing said in this article was said about Cincinnati, which is why I believe that Houston could succeed at a national level in the Big East. Also, everyone talks about the UCF/USF rivalrym imagine a rivalry with TCU and a Top 25 Houston program?

FYI...UH hasn't been ranked in season ending polls since 1990.

Also, the last time UH hosted TCU in football during the regular season, an announced crowd of 21,136 decided to show up (or least be counted).

The last UCF/USF game drew an overflow soldout crowd...and this OT game was carried live on Saturday Night in PrimeTime by ESPN2.

FYI, UCF has never been ranked, at any point, in any poll, ever.

You are right. UCF has been close a couple of times, but didn't get in. USF didn't get ranked until they joined the BCS BE. If UCF got the BCS label, you know darned well UCF would greatly improve and gain the benefits that USF has gained. That's your worry.

USF didn't start getting ranked until they beat Auburn @Auburn and followed that up with wins over Miami and FSU, among others. USF earned the rankings, at the time they were highly ranked...

But they also earned the right to drop like a stone in the polls when they folded at the end of every season. I always thought that was due to a conditioning deficiency, and that points to poor coaching...

Its nice to see some people are respecting our program. Since every one on here is discussing UH here is an actual UH Alumni and Grad Student perspective.

Few details about UH

UH now is not the same UH as even 3 years ago. Renu Khator IS changing UH. As a student in 98' and as a Grad student now, its amazing how She has personally changed the campus. The school spirit level is drastically changing every day. Its pretty amazing. She was at USF for 22 years and helped get their school into the BCS and knows how it can change a University, she as an immigrant has worked her way to the top in what is really a good ole boy type system in Texas. She doesn't tire and has made some amazing connections with the business community that other Presidents just have never done. She will get UH to Tier 1. Its funny how USA today ranks us as a tier 4 university, but according to the TAMU report (which has a hell of a lot more credibility than US today) Ranks us as a top 50 Public Research institution. LOL we will be Tier 1 before tier 3 on the USA today report.

Check out our Master Plan for the UH campus. They are building dorms left and right, already have completed 2 major dorms (Calhoun Lofts and Cougar Village. With plans already to build more. Along with various retail zones to improve the area around campus. Eventually it will be up to around 11k to 14k living on Campus. We do have a lot of commuters and that will not change, but we will have a ton of students living on campus in the near future.

UH Master Plan


Our student base is a sleeping giant... They are waiting to be motivated. Our leaders are doing everything they can. Mack Rhodes will make the facilities happen (He has done it before (see Akron: which is why he was brought in), alongside RK who has reached out to all of the major business and political leaders, our base is stirring. When they awaken fully, it will be a scary site for our enemies. We have a ton of political clout at this time, which has been lacking in the past. We shot ourselves in the foot by playing in the Astrodome all of those years in the SWC, there was just a disconnect for the fan base, it never was our home, it was the Oilers home. It left us light years behind everyone in terms of facilities. That will change though. Letter from Politicians. Also not mentioned in that list is a number of State Senators that support us.
Future Facilities

Tier One progress:
Charts showing where we compare to other Tier One seeking schools in Texas

When the right schools come to Houston look at how our students get excited.

Ticket Line 1
Ticket line 2



In conclusion, doubt us or hate on UH if you like, but UH will eventually waken and will be a great addition to any conference.


Personally I hope the Big East actually splits its leagues to Big East Football and Big East BB and then tries to expand into Texas with TCU/Houston. It adds 2 huge markets and I think that would be an extremely successful conference, but obviously the logistics behind that would have to be highly creative. The biggest bonus is they could get into the Texas recruiting grounds and potentially gain an edge over ACC/SEC (at least in recruiting Texas kids).Yes the naysayers say we don't deliver the market but 20 to 30% of our markets are better than 75% of the markets out there. And if we are not competing against UT's time slot then we would get a hell of a lot more of the Houston TV viewer ship. Houston has a ton of sports bars, and Houston plays mostly a night, if UT is not on, you can bank that the bars will have the UH game on the main screen. Even if UT is playing, the UH game would still be on most of the side TV's.

Its all wishing though at this point, UH first has to continue to show a 25% increase in attendance over the next couple seasons. People reference our 6300 season ticket sales...its already up over 8k and will be around 10k by the beginning of the season, it will only get better as RK and MR start to see the fruits of their labors the next few years. There will be a huge bump in attendance this season as there has been every year the last few seasons. Our program was on life support for a number of years, but we are coming back strong. CUSA teams get on here and trash our attendance, but they have never played aTm, UT, TT, for 20+ years and then gotten left out of a major conference realignment. Our program which was already in a down time due to probation was shot in the back, attendance dropped 40% overnight and had to battle University leadership that was not friendly with athletics. Its been a hard fight motivating alumni that grew up watching games in the SWC to play games against Tulane...UCF...Southern Miss...ECU...because no one cares about those teams in Houston. the BE would bring in teams people have actually heard of again to Houston. That would be just what UH needs, and the BE could take advantage and get UH on the cheap.

(06-25-2010 05:52 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  What people forget when using BCS analysis is, say we do invite UCF and Memphis, they would be recruiting BCS talent NOW, they wouldn't be the same team that you're using your analysis for. If you used this analysis in 2003 Cincinnati and South Florida would have been skipped over for this same reason. Obviously, things were much more fluid and hectic back then, but as a conference, if we want to play with the big boys we have to act like one of the big boys. Forget the BCS rankings and build for the future.

Great information and right to the point. Memphis football suffers due to the fact we are not in a BCS conference. Unlike Knoxville,TN, Memphis is a urban city with different heritages. Univ. of TN is, well let me put it this way, if an African-American recruit had a choice between non-bcs Memphis and bcs TN, it would be a tough decision, but they choose TN. If that same recruit had a choice between bcs Memphis and bcs TN, it would be a no-brainer, Memphis it is. Same goes with Ole Miss and Arkansas.

(06-28-2010 02:17 PM)Mickavelli Wrote:  

(06-25-2010 05:52 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  What people forget when using BCS analysis is, say we do invite UCF and Memphis, they would be recruiting BCS talent NOW, they wouldn't be the same team that you're using your analysis for. If you used this analysis in 2003 Cincinnati and South Florida would have been skipped over for this same reason. Obviously, things were much more fluid and hectic back then, but as a conference, if we want to play with the big boys we have to act like one of the big boys. Forget the BCS rankings and build for the future.

Great information and right to the point. Memphis football suffers due to the fact we are not in a BCS conference. Unlike Knoxville,TN, Memphis is a urban city with different heritages. Univ. of TN is, well let me put it this way, if an African-American recruit had a choice between non-bcs Memphis and bcs TN, it would be a tough decision, but they choose TN. If that same recruit had a choice between bcs Memphis and bcs TN, it would be a no-brainer, Memphis it is. Same goes with Ole Miss and Arkansas.

Tennessee would still kick Memphis' butt in recruiting even if you were in the BCS because they're in the SEC.

(06-28-2010 02:26 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Tennessee would still kick Memphis' butt in recruiting even if you were in the BCS because they're in the SEC.

Not "just because they are in the SEC;" it's the program. Louisvilel often out recurits Kentucky, and Clemson out recurits South Carolina. Georgia Tech probably wins a few balltes over Georgia. Florida State and Miami have had better recuriting classes than Florida, and as recently as six years ago both were clerarly superior to the the Gators in overall football stature. It's not just the SEC.

(06-28-2010 01:55 PM)CougarMikeUH Wrote:  Its nice to see some people are respecting our program. Since every one on here is discussing UH here is an actual UH Alumni and Grad Student perspective.

Few details about UH

UH now is not the same UH as even 3 years ago. Renu Khator IS changing UH. As a student in 98' and as a Grad student now, its amazing how She has personally changed the campus. The school spirit level is drastically changing every day. Its pretty amazing. She was at USF for 22 years and helped get their school into the BCS and knows how it can change a University, she as an immigrant has worked her way to the top in what is really a good ole boy type system in Texas. She doesn't tire and has made some amazing connections with the business community that other Presidents just have never done. She will get UH to Tier 1. Its funny how USA today ranks us as a tier 4 university, but according to the TAMU report (which has a hell of a lot more credibility than US today) Ranks us as a top 50 Public Research institution. LOL we will be Tier 1 before tier 3 on the USA today report.

Check out our Master Plan for the UH campus. They are building dorms left and right, already have completed 2 major dorms (Calhoun Lofts and Cougar Village. With plans already to build more. Along with various retail zones to improve the area around campus. Eventually it will be up to around 11k to 14k living on Campus. We do have a lot of commuters and that will not change, but we will have a ton of students living on campus in the near future.

UH Master Plan


Our student base is a sleeping giant... They are waiting to be motivated. Our leaders are doing everything they can. Mack Rhodes will make the facilities happen (He has done it before (see Akron: which is why he was brought in), alongside RK who has reached out to all of the major business and political leaders, our base is stirring. When they awaken fully, it will be a scary site for our enemies. We have a ton of political clout at this time, which has been lacking in the past. We shot ourselves in the foot by playing in the Astrodome all of those years in the SWC, there was just a disconnect for the fan base, it never was our home, it was the Oilers home. It left us light years behind everyone in terms of facilities. That will change though. Letter from Politicians. Also not mentioned in that list is a number of State Senators that support us.
Future Facilities

Tier One progress:
Charts showing where we compare to other Tier One seeking schools in Texas

When the right schools come to Houston look at how our students get excited.

Ticket Line 1
Ticket line 2



In conclusion, doubt us or hate on UH if you like, but UH will eventually waken and will be a great addition to any conference.


Personally I hope the Big East actually splits its leagues to Big East Football and Big East BB and then tries to expand into Texas with TCU/Houston. It adds 2 huge markets and I think that would be an extremely successful conference, but obviously the logistics behind that would have to be highly creative. The biggest bonus is they could get into the Texas recruiting grounds and potentially gain an edge over ACC/SEC (at least in recruiting Texas kids).Yes the naysayers say we don't deliver the market but 20 to 30% of our markets are better than 75% of the markets out there. And if we are not competing against UT's time slot then we would get a hell of a lot more of the Houston TV viewer ship. Houston has a ton of sports bars, and Houston plays mostly a night, if UT is not on, you can bank that the bars will have the UH game on the main screen. Even if UT is playing, the UH game would still be on most of the side TV's.

Its all wishing though at this point, UH first has to continue to show a 25% increase in attendance over the next couple seasons. People reference our 6300 season ticket sales...its already up over 8k and will be around 10k by the beginning of the season, it will only get better as RK and MR start to see the fruits of their labors the next few years. There will be a huge bump in attendance this season as there has been every year the last few seasons. Our program was on life support for a number of years, but we are coming back strong. CUSA teams get on here and trash our attendance, but they have never played aTm, UT, TT, for 20+ years and then gotten left out of a major conference realignment. Our program which was already in a down time due to probation was shot in the back, attendance dropped 40% overnight and had to battle University leadership that was not friendly with athletics. Its been a hard fight motivating alumni that grew up watching games in the SWC to play games against Tulane...UCF...Southern Miss...ECU...because no one cares about those teams in Houston. the BE would bring in teams people have actually heard of again to Houston. That would be just what UH needs, and the BE could take advantage and get UH on the cheap.

Great post. I'd love to hear news that TCU and UH were invited and accepted.

Even better: TCU, UH, Army, Navy.

Unfortunately its probably not going to happen. We'll probably just sit where we are for a while and maybe sometime add either Memphis or UCF for 9/17

(06-28-2010 02:52 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  Great post. I'd love to hear news that TCU and UH were invited and accepted.

Even better: TCU, UH, Army, Navy.

Unfortunately its probably not going to happen. We'll probably just sit where we are for a while and maybe sometime add either Memphis or UCF for 9/17

I like that idea. Then I want UConn to be in this division :patriot::

EAST

Syracuse
Army
UConn
Rutgers
Navy
USF

I'll enjoy watching the games in this division :towel::

WEST

Pitt
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Houston
TCU

(06-28-2010 03:26 PM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(06-28-2010 02:52 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  Great post. I'd love to hear news that TCU and UH were invited and accepted.

Even better: TCU, UH, Army, Navy.

Unfortunately its probably not going to happen. We'll probably just sit where we are for a while and maybe sometime add either Memphis or UCF for 9/17

I like that idea. Then I want UConn to be in this division :patriot::

EAST

Syracuse
Army
UConn
Rutgers
Navy
USF

I'll enjoy watching the games in this division :towel::

WEST

Pitt
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Houston
TCU

Those would be cool, more likely theyd go with a North/South set up

North:
Syracuse
Rutgers
UCONN
Army
Navy
Pitt

South:
TCU
UH
USF
Louisville
Cincy
WVU

There would have to be a perminent cross division game though so pitt and wvu could play every year. Separating them though allows for a Pitt/WVU championship game which would be our biggest possible matchup.

Thats a tough conference, would do well on tv. Id feel like our bcs spot is safe regaurdless of any raids if that were the set up. Even if we go with ECU/Memphis instead of Army/Navy its still pretty good.

(06-27-2010 05:01 AM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 01:52 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  From the Big East's perspective, they remember what happened last time. Miami pinned a lot of their financial and attendance difficulties on being so far away from everyone else. They may not want to leave USF sitting on an island by themselves because as USF continues to build themselves up, they will become more and more attractive to other conferences and the same thing could happen. Or, it could just be wanting to look out for a conference mate--you don't want this program weakened financially because no one is near.

If you add TCU, they are going to be out pretty far by themselves. They will have high fees for travel for non revenue sports. Their recruits-many from Texas, may not want to play for TCU because they never play where the parents can conveniently see them play. They may want closer games for other sports.

The main reasons Houston should be looked at though is that they have a top 25 program that is starting to grow and are in a huge market and recruiting grounds.

I'm having a hard time following you on the idea that Texas recruits' parents can't see them play. If they're from Texas, their parents can see them play at the home games, right?

Being in the Big East opens up recruiting opportunities in all kinds of other states.

Yes, but if they played another Texas team or nearby (i.e. Oklahoma) program, it is much easier for friends and family to get to the games. Same idea for the Texas, A&M, TT, etc. they don't want to have only home games because most recruits are from Texas. Right now though, they are probably in the same situation playing MWC teams that are very far away.

(06-27-2010 06:44 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 05:33 PM)DawsonUCF Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 03:09 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:42 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:28 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Every single thing said in this article was said about Cincinnati, which is why I believe that Houston could succeed at a national level in the Big East. Also, everyone talks about the UCF/USF rivalrym imagine a rivalry with TCU and a Top 25 Houston program?

FYI...UH hasn't been ranked in season ending polls since 1990.

Also, the last time UH hosted TCU in football during the regular season, an announced crowd of 21,136 decided to show up (or least be counted).

The last UCF/USF game drew an overflow soldout crowd...and this OT game was carried live on Saturday Night in PrimeTime by ESPN2.

FYI, UCF has never been ranked, at any point, in any poll, ever.

You are right. UCF has been close a couple of times, but didn't get in. USF didn't get ranked until they joined the BCS BE. If UCF got the BCS label, you know darned well UCF would greatly improve and gain the benefits that USF has gained. That's your worry.

USF didn't start getting ranked until they beat Auburn @Auburn and followed that up with wins over Miami and FSU, among others. USF earned the rankings, at the time they were highly ranked...

But they also earned the right to drop like a stone in the polls when they folded at the end of every season. I always thought that was due to a conditioning deficiency, and that points to poor coaching...

I would have added:

USF didn't start getting ranked until....they joined a BCS Conf...

USF also never broke into the weekly rankings until after they enjoyed 4 BCS recruiting classes (Feb '04, Feb '05, Feb '06, Feb '07)...as USF broke into the rankings for a few weeks in 2007...till they lost 3 conf games in a row.

Weird how some teams IMPROVE after enjoying some BCS recruiting classes. Wonder if other programs can do the same?

Also, USF is 0-2 vs Miami....as the Bulls have never beaten the Canes in Football.

In 5 years of Big East Conf Games....USF's conf record is under .500....and add if you add in the 2 years they spent in CUSA....their 7 year conf record is under .500 as well.

USF has enjoyed some big wins...but most of them have been followed up by major/big losses.

(06-29-2010 06:13 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 06:44 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 05:33 PM)DawsonUCF Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 03:09 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:42 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:28 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Every single thing said in this article was said about Cincinnati, which is why I believe that Houston could succeed at a national level in the Big East. Also, everyone talks about the UCF/USF rivalrym imagine a rivalry with TCU and a Top 25 Houston program?

FYI...UH hasn't been ranked in season ending polls since 1990.

Also, the last time UH hosted TCU in football during the regular season, an announced crowd of 21,136 decided to show up (or least be counted).

The last UCF/USF game drew an overflow soldout crowd...and this OT game was carried live on Saturday Night in PrimeTime by ESPN2.

FYI, UCF has never been ranked, at any point, in any poll, ever.

You are right. UCF has been close a couple of times, but didn't get in. USF didn't get ranked until they joined the BCS BE. If UCF got the BCS label, you know darned well UCF would greatly improve and gain the benefits that USF has gained. That's your worry.

USF didn't start getting ranked until they beat Auburn @Auburn and followed that up with wins over Miami and FSU, among others. USF earned the rankings, at the time they were highly ranked...

But they also earned the right to drop like a stone in the polls when they folded at the end of every season. I always thought that was due to a conditioning deficiency, and that points to poor coaching...

I would have added:

USF didn't start getting ranked until....they joined a BCS Conf...

USF also never broke into the weekly rankings until after they enjoyed 4 BCS recruiting classes (Feb '04, Feb '05, Feb '06, Feb '07)...as USF broke into the rankings for a few weeks in 2007...till they lost 3 conf games in a row.

Weird how some teams IMPROVE after enjoying some BCS recruiting classes. Wonder if other programs can do the same?

Also, USF is 0-2 vs Miami....as the Bulls have never beaten the Canes in Football.

In 5 years of Big East Conf Games....USF's conf record is under .500....and add if you add in the 2 years they spent in CUSA....their 7 year conf record is under .500 as well.

USF has enjoyed some big wins...but most of them have been followed up by major/big losses.

You do realize that we are already in the big east right? Like you arent competing for us for a spot, your school needs to make a convincing enough case for itself that our administration, along with the rest in the big east, consider your school worthy of being admitted.

It is always funny though when a UCF fan trys to downgrade our wins, especially when their biggest win ever is over one of the teams they are trying to downgrade as a big east candidate

(06-29-2010 03:18 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 06:13 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 06:44 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 05:33 PM)DawsonUCF Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 03:09 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:42 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:28 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Every single thing said in this article was said about Cincinnati, which is why I believe that Houston could succeed at a national level in the Big East. Also, everyone talks about the UCF/USF rivalrym imagine a rivalry with TCU and a Top 25 Houston program?

FYI...UH hasn't been ranked in season ending polls since 1990.

Also, the last time UH hosted TCU in football during the regular season, an announced crowd of 21,136 decided to show up (or least be counted).

The last UCF/USF game drew an overflow soldout crowd...and this OT game was carried live on Saturday Night in PrimeTime by ESPN2.

FYI, UCF has never been ranked, at any point, in any poll, ever.

You are right. UCF has been close a couple of times, but didn't get in. USF didn't get ranked until they joined the BCS BE. If UCF got the BCS label, you know darned well UCF would greatly improve and gain the benefits that USF has gained. That's your worry.

USF didn't start getting ranked until they beat Auburn @Auburn and followed that up with wins over Miami and FSU, among others. USF earned the rankings, at the time they were highly ranked...

But they also earned the right to drop like a stone in the polls when they folded at the end of every season. I always thought that was due to a conditioning deficiency, and that points to poor coaching...

I would have added:

USF didn't start getting ranked until....they joined a BCS Conf...

USF also never broke into the weekly rankings until after they enjoyed 4 BCS recruiting classes (Feb '04, Feb '05, Feb '06, Feb '07)...as USF broke into the rankings for a few weeks in 2007...till they lost 3 conf games in a row.

Weird how some teams IMPROVE after enjoying some BCS recruiting classes. Wonder if other programs can do the same?

Also, USF is 0-2 vs Miami....as the Bulls have never beaten the Canes in Football.

In 5 years of Big East Conf Games....USF's conf record is under .500....and add if you add in the 2 years they spent in CUSA....their 7 year conf record is under .500 as well.

USF has enjoyed some big wins...but most of them have been followed up by major/big losses.

You do realize that we are already in the big east right?

Had no idea....as my remarks obviously hit too close to home.

I apologize for adding facts to the conversation...facts which you obviously do not want others to know.

(06-29-2010 04:42 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 03:18 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 06:13 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 06:44 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 05:33 PM)DawsonUCF Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 03:09 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:42 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-27-2010 12:28 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Every single thing said in this article was said about Cincinnati, which is why I believe that Houston could succeed at a national level in the Big East. Also, everyone talks about the UCF/USF rivalrym imagine a rivalry with TCU and a Top 25 Houston program?

FYI...UH hasn't been ranked in season ending polls since 1990.

Also, the last time UH hosted TCU in football during the regular season, an announced crowd of 21,136 decided to show up (or least be counted).

The last UCF/USF game drew an overflow soldout crowd...and this OT game was carried live on Saturday Night in PrimeTime by ESPN2.

FYI, UCF has never been ranked, at any point, in any poll, ever.

You are right. UCF has been close a couple of times, but didn't get in. USF didn't get ranked until they joined the BCS BE. If UCF got the BCS label, you know darned well UCF would greatly improve and gain the benefits that USF has gained. That's your worry.

USF didn't start getting ranked until they beat Auburn @Auburn and followed that up with wins over Miami and FSU, among others. USF earned the rankings, at the time they were highly ranked...

But they also earned the right to drop like a stone in the polls when they folded at the end of every season. I always thought that was due to a conditioning deficiency, and that points to poor coaching...

I would have added:

USF didn't start getting ranked until....they joined a BCS Conf...

USF also never broke into the weekly rankings until after they enjoyed 4 BCS recruiting classes (Feb '04, Feb '05, Feb '06, Feb '07)...as USF broke into the rankings for a few weeks in 2007...till they lost 3 conf games in a row.

Weird how some teams IMPROVE after enjoying some BCS recruiting classes. Wonder if other programs can do the same?

Also, USF is 0-2 vs Miami....as the Bulls have never beaten the Canes in Football.

In 5 years of Big East Conf Games....USF's conf record is under .500....and add if you add in the 2 years they spent in CUSA....their 7 year conf record is under .500 as well.

USF has enjoyed some big wins...but most of them have been followed up by major/big losses.

You do realize that we are already in the big east right?

Had no idea....as my remarks obviously hit too close to home.

I apologize for adding facts to the conversation...facts which you obviously do not want others to know.

Not really. When your remarks hit close to home youll find me posting about your school on a conference usa forum attempting to discredit everything you have accomplished.

Dont hold your breath though. The only reason i even discuss UCF is because they are a candidate for expansion in my favorite conference. The second we expand to 12 and dont include you guys, ill probably never make another post about you again.

Rarely do Temple ECU or Memphis fans get agitated when i make a post suggesting big east candidates and their school isnt one of them.

(06-29-2010 05:01 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  Dont hold your breath though. The only reason i even discuss UCF is because they are a candidate for expansion in my favorite conference. The second we expand to 12 and dont include you guys, ill probably never make another post about you again.

Sounds like you have a personal problem...that maybe a healthcare professional can help you with.

Stop hating.

Start living.

(06-29-2010 05:11 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 05:01 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  Dont hold your breath though. The only reason i even discuss UCF is because they are a candidate for expansion in my favorite conference. The second we expand to 12 and dont include you guys, ill probably never make another post about you again.

Sounds like you have a personal problem...that maybe a healthcare professional can help you with.

Stop hating.

Start living.

I guess you didnt understand what I said. Obviously if UCF were included in expansion I'd continue talking about your school because you would have some relevance to mine. In the scenario that we expand to 12 without UCF, we will have no reason to discuss you in any facet.

I hope that post was gentle enough to keep you from throwing out insults again. Next time you dont understand what someone is saying, tell them so they can explain it in a simpler form for you. Thats much easier than just insulting a poster on this forum.

(06-29-2010 05:41 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 05:11 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 05:01 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  Dont hold your breath though. The only reason i even discuss UCF is because they are a candidate for expansion in my favorite conference. The second we expand to 12 and dont include you guys, ill probably never make another post about you again.

Sounds like you have a personal problem...that maybe a healthcare professional can help you with.

Stop hating.

Start living.

I guess you didnt understand what I said. Obviously if UCF were included in expansion I'd continue talking about your school because you would have some relevance to mine. In the scenario that we expand to 12 without UCF, we will have no reason to discuss you in any facet.

(Possible) Scenario?

What you posted sounded like fact:

The second we expand to 12 and dont include you guys, ill probably never make another post about you again.

Also, I only responded to a post that incorrectly noted that USF beat Miami...which they didn't and people noted how quickly USF got ranked and then how quickly they dropped out of the polls.

(06-29-2010 06:27 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 05:41 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 05:11 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 05:01 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  Dont hold your breath though. The only reason i even discuss UCF is because they are a candidate for expansion in my favorite conference. The second we expand to 12 and dont include you guys, ill probably never make another post about you again.

Sounds like you have a personal problem...that maybe a healthcare professional can help you with.

Stop hating.

Start living.

I guess you didnt understand what I said. Obviously if UCF were included in expansion I'd continue talking about your school because you would have some relevance to mine. In the scenario that we expand to 12 without UCF, we will have no reason to discuss you in any facet.

(Possible) Scenario?

What you posted sounded like fact:

The second we expand to 12 and dont include you guys, ill probably never make another post about you again.

Also, I only responded to a post that incorrectly noted that USF beat Miami...which they didn't and people noted how quickly USF got ranked and then how quickly they dropped out of the polls.

Yeah, good to have you around to fact check. Not that youre obsessed or anything.

Lets move on.

So... Houston TCU and Navy are the only candidates that dont hurt our BCS chances... I hope those are 3 of our 4. Memphis, ECU, and UCF are all good candidates for the final spot.

ECU is my preference, but that doesnt discredit the amazing potential and abilities of the other schools mentioned in this thread. I hope that was soft enough to not hurt anyones feelings.