he had every right to do it under the one year scholarship rule. He gave more than anyone could expect to ASU, this season, in return for his one year scholarship. He now wants to go to a school which will likely be rated higher than ASU both athletically and academically. He is willing to sit on the bench for a full season to do so. Who are we to tell him he shouldn't go to a better school that likely will be closer to his family as well? Again, no one would have a shed a tear for him if he was run off because he didn't perform well enough.

(05-25-2010 03:37 PM)mjs Wrote:  he had every right to do it under the one year scholarship rule. He gave more than anyone could expect to ASU, this season, in return for his one year scholarship. He now wants to go to a school which will likely be rated higher than ASU both athletically and academically. He is willing to sit on the bench for a full season to do so. Who are we to tell him he shouldn't go to a better school that likely will be closer to his family as well? Again, no one would have a shed a tear for him if he was run off because he didn't perform well enough.

While I certainly don't like that some coaches run off players that they have recruited because they don't think they have performed well enough on the court, two wrongs do not make a right.

If players were allowed to transfer without some downside, then BCS schools would constantly poach mid-majors for young proven talent that they had missed in the recruiting process. Mid majors would poach on low majors, D-IIs and maybe even D-IIIs in the same fashion. It would be worse than what the NBA does in using the NCAA as a proving ground for the one and done players.

At the same time, there should be some sanction against schools who run off players without some sort of documented evidence of problems- disciplinary, academic, etc. I absolutely totally agree that runnng off a kid that has done everything that you ask of him to the best of his ability who just isn't as good as the coach thought when he recruited him, is flat out wrong.

(05-25-2010 03:58 PM)PTJR Wrote:  I absolutely totally agree that runnng off a kid that has done everything that you ask of him to the best of his ability who just isn't as good as the coach thought when he recruited him, is flat out wrong.

+1

(05-25-2010 03:37 PM)mjs Wrote:  he had every right to do it under the one year scholarship rule. He gave more than anyone could expect to ASU, this season, in return for his one year scholarship. He now wants to go to a school which will likely be rated higher than ASU both athletically and academically. He is willing to sit on the bench for a full season to do so. Who are we to tell him he shouldn't go to a better school that likely will be closer to his family as well? Again, no one would have a shed a tear for him if he was run off because he didn't perform well enough.

I think he should be able to go to any school he wishes where he thinks he can receive a better education. I just don't think he should receive a basketball scholarship to do it. Either the Sun Belt is a minor league for the BCS, or it's a D1 league, and if so should not be a farm club for the Big Shots, who already have all the advantages. Why should they be able to steal a good player out of our league after we've spent the time and money to develop a player.

I can guarantee you that if this was a UALR player who was a great player as a freshman (of course that's strictly hypothetical since we never recruit those type of players) who wasn't recruited by BCS schools, and he had a sensational freshman season and was now wanted by Arkansas, Ole Miss, Kentucky, etc., and wanted to leave for greener pastures, I don't think everyone on this board would be so kind toward that player.

Sorry. I have no sympathy for this kid at ASU. Brady gave him a chance; he did well, and now he wants to jump ship?
I would say don't give him a release. Allow him to remain on scholarship as a student, but don't allow him back on the team. That way you're living up to your promise of an education at your institution, but not the priviledge of playing basketball. If basketball is more important to him then his education then allow him pay his own way somewhere else. You would have a wasted scholarship if he decided to remain there as a student, but you'd set an example for others. You know darn well he's not going to stay there, but you've lived up to your end of the bargain.

(05-25-2010 04:24 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(05-25-2010 03:37 PM)mjs Wrote:  he had every right to do it under the one year scholarship rule. He gave more than anyone could expect to ASU, this season, in return for his one year scholarship. He now wants to go to a school which will likely be rated higher than ASU both athletically and academically. He is willing to sit on the bench for a full season to do so. Who are we to tell him he shouldn't go to a better school that likely will be closer to his family as well? Again, no one would have a shed a tear for him if he was run off because he didn't perform well enough.

I think he should be able to go to any school he wishes where he thinks he can receive a better education. I just don't think he should receive a basketball scholarship to do it. Either the Sun Belt is a minor league for the BCS, or it's a D1 league, and if so should not be a farm club for the Big Shots, who already have all the advantages. Why should they be able to steal a good player out of our league after we've spent the time and money to develop a player.

I can guarantee you that if this was a UALR player who was a great player as a freshman (of course that's strictly hypothetical since we never recruit those type of players) who wasn't recruited by BCS schools, and he had a sensational freshman season and was now wanted by Arkansas, Ole Miss, Kentucky, etc., and wanted to leave for greener pastures, I don't think everyone on this board would be so kind toward that player.

Sorry. I have no sympathy for this kid at ASU. Brady gave him a chance; he did well, and now he wants to jump ship?
I would say don't give him a release. Allow him to remain on scholarship as a student, but don't allow him back on the team. That way you're living up to your promise of an education at your institution, but not the priviledge of playing basketball. If basketball is more important to him then his education then allow him pay his own way somewhere else. You would have a wasted scholarship if he decided to remain there as a student, but you'd set an example for others. You know darn well he's not going to stay there, but you've lived up to your end of the bargain.

Not sure how you can be so adamant that a player can't leave if he wants to, but it is fine for the coach to run players off. Both are wrong.
But there is already a built in penalty for transferring- you have to sit out a year which is a heck of a long time for an 18 or 19 year old kid. Reed won't play in a game again until November of 2011- That will be 20 months from his last game in March 2010. That's why so few players transfer voluntarily. A coach should lose the scholarship, for the rest of the player's eligibility, when he runs him off. That might put an end to the practice.

Seems to me this is a very complex matter. No easy answer. I'm sure the NCAA has tried hard to think of a fair solution for situations like this. I believe if I was in Coach Brady's shoes, I would grant the player his release. Find a player who really wants to be at ASU and move on.

(05-25-2010 05:18 PM)DollarBill Wrote:  Seems to me this is a very complex matter. No easy answer. I'm sure the NCAA has tried hard to think of a fair solution for situations like this. I believe if I was in Coach Brady's shoes, I would grant the player his release. Find a player who really wants to be at ASU and move on.

Sure. What else can you do? Do you want a player there who doesn't want to be there?

(05-25-2010 08:21 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(05-25-2010 05:18 PM)DollarBill Wrote:  Seems to me this is a very complex matter. No easy answer. I'm sure the NCAA has tried hard to think of a fair solution for situations like this. I believe if I was in Coach Brady's shoes, I would grant the player his release. Find a player who really wants to be at ASU and move on.

Sure. What else can you do? Do you want a player there who doesn't want to be there?

If Reed was simply unhappy in Jonesboro I really have no problem with him leaving. I am suspicious of "tampering". I have little doubt some bigger programs somehow communicated that they would be interested in him if he were to transfer.

(05-25-2010 08:41 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(05-25-2010 08:21 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(05-25-2010 05:18 PM)DollarBill Wrote:  Seems to me this is a very complex matter. No easy answer. I'm sure the NCAA has tried hard to think of a fair solution for situations like this. I believe if I was in Coach Brady's shoes, I would grant the player his release. Find a player who really wants to be at ASU and move on.

Sure. What else can you do? Do you want a player there who doesn't want to be there?

If Reed was simply unhappy in Jonesboro I really have no problem with him leaving. I am suspicious of "tampering". I have little doubt some bigger programs somehow communicated that they would be interested in him if he were to transfer.

Reed was perfectly happy. Though admittedly he wasnt a fan of the night life. '

His father began working to convince him that ASU wasnt right for him about 2 weeks ago and his father won out. Father from what im told told Reed that if he wanted to go to the NBA he wouldnt do so at Arkansas State

(05-26-2010 01:09 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-25-2010 08:41 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(05-25-2010 08:21 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(05-25-2010 05:18 PM)DollarBill Wrote:  Seems to me this is a very complex matter. No easy answer. I'm sure the NCAA has tried hard to think of a fair solution for situations like this. I believe if I was in Coach Brady's shoes, I would grant the player his release. Find a player who really wants to be at ASU and move on.

Sure. What else can you do? Do you want a player there who doesn't want to be there?

If Reed was simply unhappy in Jonesboro I really have no problem with him leaving. I am suspicious of "tampering". I have little doubt some bigger programs somehow communicated that they would be interested in him if he were to transfer.

Reed was perfectly happy. Though admittedly he wasnt a fan of the night life. '

His father began working to convince him that ASU wasnt right for him about 2 weeks ago and his father won out. Father from what im told told Reed that if he wanted to go to the NBA he wouldnt do so at Arkansas State

I'll bet the father was damn happy when ASU gave his son a free ride when maybe nobody else would at the D1 level, for whatever reason.
And since when can't a player from the Sun Belt go to the NBA if he's good enough? Once again, it's not easy being a mid major.q

Now the story is getting more confusing. To say the player was happy at ASU but, his Dad wants him to transfer for a better shot at the NBA. Oftentimes a parent is not the best judge of their own children's talent. I recall this player did stand out quickly at beginning of the season but watching him here, I didn't notice NBA type skills. I didn't notice that his talent was too good for the Sunbelt. Anyway, this will be an interesting story to folllow. Someone mentioned the possibility of tampering. Stranger things things have happened.

I agree with mjs, though the timing is what I'm against. If he wanted to transfer, fine, but there should be a window off opportunity to do so. He was clearly past that time frame when he announced he wanted to transfer after the recruiting period had ended. That really screws ASU.