Ok its offseason and expansion is the topic on the minds of many college football fans, so here is another question. Lets say the Big East takes Memphis, UCF, and ECU from the CUSA and the SBC decides to go to 12 teams. Which three teams would you add from CUSA?

Since we already have 10 teams we should only add 2. I would first pick USM and then UAB.

Quote:Poll: Which tree teams would you add?

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(05-10-2010 03:24 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

Quote:Poll: Which tree teams would you add?

Stanford

Sorry about the typo grammar police officer.

Do you guys know how far you have to go to get to UTEP? Sure you wanna expand into Mexico.

LOL @ taking teams from C-USA.

I am going with public schools and markets in this one: UAB and Houston.

Don't get your panties in a wad. Thought it was funny.

(05-10-2010 03:45 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 03:24 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

Quote:Poll: Which tree teams would you add?

Stanford

Sorry about the typo grammar police officer.

(05-10-2010 05:07 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Don't get your panties in a wad. Thought it was funny.

(05-10-2010 03:45 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 03:24 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

Quote:Poll: Which tree teams would you add?

Stanford

Sorry about the typo grammar police officer.

Kajun, you need to pay mor atentiun to ur spellin'. Folks hear like to pounce to show ya there book lernin and how smartt they ere.

(05-10-2010 04:10 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  LOL @ taking teams from C-USA.

I tend to agree with you on this one, however, if the Big East raids C-USA, the Sun Belt brass would be foolish to just rest on their laurels and watch C-USA raid the Sun Belt. If the Big East took multiple C-USA teams I think you could see simultaneous offers from C-USA to the Sun Belt(and perhaps La Tech) and the Sun Belt making two offers to existing C-USA members. Depending on the implications of the Big East raid of C-USA, the Sun Belt might end up being a better fit for some current C-USA schools.

Of course there is also the scenario of a shuffling of multiple current non-AQ conferences. If the MWC is raided by the Pac-10/Big 12 it's certainly possible that they look to reload or reorganize with C-USA west members.

The point is, there are far more ridiculous things floating out there than a pair of C-USA schools filling out the Sun Belt.

ummmm...won't there be 10 teams when USA comes aboard in football? So, actually it would be just a need for 2 teams...

I can't vote on this. C-USA has like 5 bowl ties. The Sun Belt has 2. I'm almost positive their teams get a larger conference payout then teams in the belt. I can't see the Belt raiding C-USA. If they lose teams, they will raid the Sun Belt, and schools like North Texas will be hoping to get an invite.

(05-10-2010 08:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I can't vote on this. C-USA has like 5 bowl ties. The Sun Belt has 2. I'm almost positive their teams get a larger conference payout then teams in the belt. I can't see the Belt raiding C-USA. If they lose teams, they will raid the Sun Belt, and schools like North Texas will be hoping to get an invite.

If the conference can stand together like they did several years ago when the WAC came calling, this will become a contest of wills. If CUSA needs teams to stay viable and the SBC members stick together, who outside of La Tech can they turn to? Perhaps the MAC, but that seems pretty unlikely. However, if the SBC instead proposes a compete reorganization of the two conferences or a merger into a larger conference themselves, CUSA may be forced to listen and then some geographically intelligent decisions may be made.

SBC presidents have mentioned in articles about how the Sun Belt needs to be the active player instead of sitting on it's bum while CUSA raids it. So it isn't too far fetched.

I can see it happening if the Big East takes some teams like East Carolina, Memphis, and UCF. Plus there is a chance the MWC would like to expand with everyone else and get a championship game. So they could pick and choose from Houston, UTEP, Tulsa, or SMU.

Might want to contemplate the rule book.

If C-USA were to lose 7, which isn't out of the realm of possibility if MWC, Big XII, Big East are raided, C-USA would not have an automatic bid, all bowl and TV contracts would be voidable, and the NCAA units would be paid to the school that earned them rather than the conference. When C-USA was raided last time, ESPN sliced the rights fee significantly and reduced the number of games it was obligated to take. That is what led to CBS-C taking so many games.

Everyone assumes that the Big East is simply going to pick up as many C-USA teams as they have vacancies created. That's easier said than done because they need eight full members who are FBS. I may be crazy but I don't see schools like Georgetown, Villanova, DePaul, and Marquette being in favor of adding schools like UCF and ECU that not only won't help basketball, they will hurt it. The older UNT fans may recall that a similar situation happened with the Big West when the hoop schools elected to block adding any new full members that played football. That helped form Sun Belt football and eventually led to there being no FBS schools in the league at all.

If the Big East football schools are to survive they may well have to leave the Big East. If that happens and the ACC isn't expanding they are left with merging with the wreckage of the Big XII, merging with C-USA, and starting a new league. If they start a new league, schools like Temple and Buffalo could be in the mix based on geography and markets.

While the NCAA is looking at modifying those rules, they have not as yet drafted any actual language, and past history suggests we are looking at 2012 before those changes are adopted.

(05-10-2010 08:34 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 08:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I can't vote on this. C-USA has like 5 bowl ties. The Sun Belt has 2. I'm almost positive their teams get a larger conference payout then teams in the belt. I can't see the Belt raiding C-USA. If they lose teams, they will raid the Sun Belt, and schools like North Texas will be hoping to get an invite.

If the conference can stand together like they did several years ago when the WAC came calling, this will become a contest of wills. If CUSA needs teams to stay viable and the SBC members stick together, who outside of La Tech can they turn to? Perhaps the MAC, but that seems pretty unlikely. However, if the SBC instead proposes a compete reorganization of the two conferences or a merger into a larger conference themselves, CUSA may be forced to listen and then some geographically intelligent decisions may be made.

There is a big difference between standing together against the WAC which is a few timezones away, and passing on C-USA, which shares the same region as the Sun Belt. If it comes down to it, the best we can hope for is same kind partnership with C-USA. Things would have to get catastrophic for a merger to enter the picture.

(05-12-2010 08:41 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 08:34 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 08:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I can't vote on this. C-USA has like 5 bowl ties. The Sun Belt has 2. I'm almost positive their teams get a larger conference payout then teams in the belt. I can't see the Belt raiding C-USA. If they lose teams, they will raid the Sun Belt, and schools like North Texas will be hoping to get an invite.

If the conference can stand together like they did several years ago when the WAC came calling, this will become a contest of wills. If CUSA needs teams to stay viable and the SBC members stick together, who outside of La Tech can they turn to? Perhaps the MAC, but that seems pretty unlikely. However, if the SBC instead proposes a compete reorganization of the two conferences or a merger into a larger conference themselves, CUSA may be forced to listen and then some geographically intelligent decisions may be made.

There is a big difference between standing together against the WAC which is a few timezones away, and passing on C-USA, which shares the same region as the Sun Belt. If it comes down to it, the best we can hope for is same kind partnership with C-USA. Things would have to get catastrophic for a merger to enter the picture.

As Arkstfan posted earlier, CUSA may get raided so heavily that they may not have "hand" in a realignment scenario. In my opinion, if the dominoes fall so that the BCS conferences are taking from CUSA, that's exactly the position they'll find themselves in. At that point, if the few schools that CUSA will make overtures to hold their ground, then some smart decisions can be made on the future of both conferences.

why would anyone want UAB? their football is just aweful, and the rest of their athletic department isnt much to admire either. other than bringing in the fine UAB Medical School, i can't see them bringing anything to the Conference but another mouth to feed. they would not finish in the top three in football.

Like several others, I think a brand new conference will rise from all the shakeups, possibly coming from the ranks of the non-BCS if not of the Big East football schools. They'll get to start fresh with a new conference history, new rivals, and possibly a new TV home. BCS or not, that might be pretty exciting.

Anyone want aboard the 'Great Eastern Conference'?

(05-12-2010 08:41 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 08:34 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 08:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I can't vote on this. C-USA has like 5 bowl ties. The Sun Belt has 2. I'm almost positive their teams get a larger conference payout then teams in the belt. I can't see the Belt raiding C-USA. If they lose teams, they will raid the Sun Belt, and schools like North Texas will be hoping to get an invite.

If the conference can stand together like they did several years ago when the WAC came calling, this will become a contest of wills. If CUSA needs teams to stay viable and the SBC members stick together, who outside of La Tech can they turn to? Perhaps the MAC, but that seems pretty unlikely. However, if the SBC instead proposes a compete reorganization of the two conferences or a merger into a larger conference themselves, CUSA may be forced to listen and then some geographically intelligent decisions may be made.

There is a big difference between standing together against the WAC which is a few timezones away, and passing on C-USA, which shares the same region as the Sun Belt. If it comes down to it, the best we can hope for is same kind partnership with C-USA. Things would have to get catastrophic for a merger to enter the picture.

A 'stand united' facing a C-USA with just six or less members might work in the SBC's favor in any forged alliance.

OTOH, the NCAA requires eight members for a recognized conference, right? Imagine how dangerous it might prove for the SBC if C-USA were only down to the magical number of seven members, and most of them are within the greater SBC footprint. How hard would it be for that united front to hold if C-USA only needs one football-playing defector to stay an all-sports conference?

(05-12-2010 10:26 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  why would anyone want UAB? their football is just aweful, and the rest of their athletic department isnt much to admire either. other than bringing in the fine UAB Medical School, i can't see them bringing anything to the Conference but another mouth to feed. they would not finish in the top three in football.

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