(05-14-2010 04:08 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 02:55 PM)CMJ Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 03:38 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 02:14 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 11:54 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 08:32 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Well since you asked...

There's too much emphasis track and field and there's far too many points allotted to it. Indoor track and outdoor track should not be separate but worth half of a total composite for track.

Also each sport should be worth the same total point value regardless of number of participants. A first place win in track is worth more than a first place in football...really?

Of course I'd say this regardless of the fact that we do suck at track.

Indoor track and outdoor track are two different sports and should be viewed as such.

There are two sides to every argument, but the system in which points are scaled by the number of sponsoring schools is the way to do it. Sure right now Track and Field gets more points than football, but if you made all sports equal in scoring, the winner of Men's swim and dive, which only has four participants, would get the same number of points as the winner of football, which would be completely ridiculous. It would give a tremendous advantage to men's swimming schools as they could earn the same number of points by beating three other schools as another team could earn by beating eight other schools in football or eleven other schools in basketball.

Your problem is, you're trying to put more emphasis on certain sports because they're more popular, but that's completely counterintuitive to an "all-sport trophy". All sports are equally important and the only way points should vary is how they currently do which is by the number of sponsoring schools.

Nope, sorry. If only 4 schools participate in a sport, then it shouldn't be included in the all sports trophy. What's the use of an all sports trophy if not all schools participate in all sports?

But congrats to MT for consistently figuring Buba out.

Here's the thing:
Take away Middle's points for sports that the schools below them don't sponsor and we're still on top.

Weight football and basketball more and we're still on top.

Make track count once and we're still on top.

Take track out and we're still on top.

In a previous thread, someone posted about five different variations on the formula and one thing remained the same: MT on top.

We have the best top to bottom athletic program in the league, and outside of WKU, it's not even close.

Hey now...this year WKU will only beat us by a point or two! We are closing the gap on yall

Without any points from baseball.

Congratulations on closing the gap w/WKU.

But considering this will probably be our largest margin of victory ever, apparently we're extending our lead.

(05-15-2010 10:10 AM)theboro Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 04:08 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 02:55 PM)CMJ Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 03:38 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 02:14 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 11:54 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 08:32 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Well since you asked...

There's too much emphasis track and field and there's far too many points allotted to it. Indoor track and outdoor track should not be separate but worth half of a total composite for track.

Also each sport should be worth the same total point value regardless of number of participants. A first place win in track is worth more than a first place in football...really?

Of course I'd say this regardless of the fact that we do suck at track.

Indoor track and outdoor track are two different sports and should be viewed as such.

There are two sides to every argument, but the system in which points are scaled by the number of sponsoring schools is the way to do it. Sure right now Track and Field gets more points than football, but if you made all sports equal in scoring, the winner of Men's swim and dive, which only has four participants, would get the same number of points as the winner of football, which would be completely ridiculous. It would give a tremendous advantage to men's swimming schools as they could earn the same number of points by beating three other schools as another team could earn by beating eight other schools in football or eleven other schools in basketball.

Your problem is, you're trying to put more emphasis on certain sports because they're more popular, but that's completely counterintuitive to an "all-sport trophy". All sports are equally important and the only way points should vary is how they currently do which is by the number of sponsoring schools.

Nope, sorry. If only 4 schools participate in a sport, then it shouldn't be included in the all sports trophy. What's the use of an all sports trophy if not all schools participate in all sports?

But congrats to MT for consistently figuring Buba out.

Here's the thing:
Take away Middle's points for sports that the schools below them don't sponsor and we're still on top.

Weight football and basketball more and we're still on top.

Make track count once and we're still on top.

Take track out and we're still on top.

In a previous thread, someone posted about five different variations on the formula and one thing remained the same: MT on top.

We have the best top to bottom athletic program in the league, and outside of WKU, it's not even close.

Hey now...this year WKU will only beat us by a point or two! We are closing the gap on yall

Without any points from baseball.

Congratulations on closing the gap w/WKU.

But considering this will probably be our largest margin of victory ever, apparently we're extending our lead.

OK, so the Muts are the class of the Belt. Gimme a little help here.

Since joining the Belt:

1. Muts have 2 bowl games; one in Detroit, one in New Orleans. Is it correct that the Muts have never won the Belt championship outright or even as co-champs earned a trip to New Orleans ? The NO trip, I beleive, was because the conference champ went to the GMAC bowl.

2. How many NCAA appearances has the Muts men's basketball team made ?

3. How many NCAA appearances has the Muts soccer team made ?

4. How many NCAA appearances has the Muts baseball team made ?

5. I know the Muts lady's basketball team has made post season appearances, but other than them what Muts teams have represented the conference in post season NCAA play ?

I applaude the Muts for winning the Bubas Trophy, but seems that you haven't fared as well as several others in advancing to post season NCAA events and representing the conference. Where is the 'seperation' that you seem to imply ?

(05-15-2010 01:30 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(05-15-2010 10:10 AM)theboro Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 04:08 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(05-14-2010 02:55 PM)CMJ Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 03:38 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 02:14 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 11:54 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 08:32 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Well since you asked...

There's too much emphasis track and field and there's far too many points allotted to it. Indoor track and outdoor track should not be separate but worth half of a total composite for track.

Also each sport should be worth the same total point value regardless of number of participants. A first place win in track is worth more than a first place in football...really?

Of course I'd say this regardless of the fact that we do suck at track.

Indoor track and outdoor track are two different sports and should be viewed as such.

There are two sides to every argument, but the system in which points are scaled by the number of sponsoring schools is the way to do it. Sure right now Track and Field gets more points than football, but if you made all sports equal in scoring, the winner of Men's swim and dive, which only has four participants, would get the same number of points as the winner of football, which would be completely ridiculous. It would give a tremendous advantage to men's swimming schools as they could earn the same number of points by beating three other schools as another team could earn by beating eight other schools in football or eleven other schools in basketball.

Your problem is, you're trying to put more emphasis on certain sports because they're more popular, but that's completely counterintuitive to an "all-sport trophy". All sports are equally important and the only way points should vary is how they currently do which is by the number of sponsoring schools.

Nope, sorry. If only 4 schools participate in a sport, then it shouldn't be included in the all sports trophy. What's the use of an all sports trophy if not all schools participate in all sports?

But congrats to MT for consistently figuring Buba out.

Here's the thing:
Take away Middle's points for sports that the schools below them don't sponsor and we're still on top.

Weight football and basketball more and we're still on top.

Make track count once and we're still on top.

Take track out and we're still on top.

In a previous thread, someone posted about five different variations on the formula and one thing remained the same: MT on top.

We have the best top to bottom athletic program in the league, and outside of WKU, it's not even close.

Hey now...this year WKU will only beat us by a point or two! We are closing the gap on yall

Without any points from baseball.

Congratulations on closing the gap w/WKU.

But considering this will probably be our largest margin of victory ever, apparently we're extending our lead.

OK, so the Muts are the class of the Belt. Gimme a little help here.

Since joining the Belt:

1. Muts have 2 bowl games; one in Detroit, one in New Orleans. Is it correct that the Muts have never won the Belt championship outright or even as co-champs earned a trip to New Orleans ? The NO trip, I beleive, was because the conference champ went to the GMAC bowl.

2. How many NCAA appearances has the Muts men's basketball team made ?

3. How many NCAA appearances has the Muts soccer team made ?

4. How many NCAA appearances has the Muts baseball team made ?

5. I know the Muts lady's basketball team has made post season appearances, but other than them what Muts teams have represented the conference in post season NCAA play ?

I applaude the Muts for winning the Bubas Trophy, but seems that you haven't fared as well as several others in advancing to post season NCAA events and representing the conference. Where is the 'seperation' that you seem to imply ?

Women's bball
six of the last seven NCAA tournaments
with three wins

Baseball
four NCAA regionals
with one win

Football
two bowl games
with one win

Volleyball
four straight NCAA tourney appearances
w/ four wins and a Sweet 16 appearance

Track
three Top 25 finishes

Golf
three straight NCAA Regionals
with a finals appearance in 2008 (finished 15th)

Men's tennis
Two NCAA appearances (with a doubles national title)

In the last 12 months we've been in the Top 25 or receiving votes in football, volleyball, women's basketball, baseball, men's golf, women's track.

That's just off the top of my head. Feel free to try and match it.

Oh yeah!? Well...um...seperation...hmmm...

Touche' Troy Fan. Touche'.

I'm giving you rep points for that.