(05-13-2010 09:06 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  RB.. I said, that it's just my opinion it's stupid / wrong to upset people on purpose, you're just being a ******* to do so. I'm not saying it shouldn't be legal just that it makes you a douche bag.

So antagonize immigrants all you want on your free time. That's your business, I think it's obnoxious, but I'm not going to stop you or suggest it shouldn't be legal.

But in a school setting, I do think it's the principals job to keep his students safe, which is what he was doing.

If I walk through a Muslim neighborhood with an American or Israeli flag T-shirt, would it be right for the police pull me over and force me to take my shirt off?

Again DF.. that's not in a school and you aren't a kid.

Like I said, if you want to be a dick and antagonize people on your own time, go for it. It's your own life, do what you want.

(05-13-2010 09:26 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Again DF.. that's not in a school and you aren't a kid.

Like I said, if you want to be a **** and antagonize people on your own time, go for it. It's your own life, do what you want.

Well, let's see if the courts decide that civil rights are not applicable to a school.

(05-13-2010 09:26 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Again DF.. that's not in a school and you aren't a kid.

Like I said, if you want to be a **** and antagonize people on your own time, go for it. It's your own life, do what you want.

Both of the following actions are clearly wrong, and very likely illegal:

A) Send Americans home from school because they wore shirts with American flags on them on 5/5, even though this is not prohibited by the school.

B) Send Mexicans home who are thought to likely fight with the kids in A) above.

So, since they are both the wrong thing to do, HF84, why do you think A is okay and not B???? And given all the crap with illegals going on in California, I don't think any kid is being, to use your term "a douchebag" because he wears something with the American flag on it. Hell, when I was in school we pledged allegiance to the flag every day. Should the school not do this on 5/5??? Really, your reasoning astounds me.

(05-13-2010 09:06 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  RB.. I said, that it's just my opinion it's stupid / wrong to upset people on purpose, you're just being a ******* to do so. I'm not saying it shouldn't be legal just that it makes you a douche bag.

So antagonize immigrants all you want on your free time. That's your business, I think it's obnoxious, but I'm not going to stop you or suggest it shouldn't be legal.

But in a school setting, I do think it's the principals job to keep his students safe, which is what he was doing.

How did the Assistant Principal know that there would be touble. If he heard some students were going to start a fight, he should have brought them in and sent them home.

If you are just going to defend people because they are Americans, even though you know they tried to start a fight and upset people, and were at fault, so be it.

Enjoy basing your moral compass on geography. I can't argue with that logic because I will never understand it. If that makes me unAmerican so be it.

(05-13-2010 09:48 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  If you are just going to defend people because they are Americans, even though you know they tried to start a fight and upset people, and were at fault, so be it.

Enjoy basing your moral compass on geography. I can't argue with that logic because I will never understand it. If that makes me unAmerican so be it.

Just like I don't fall for your baiting BS, so should the mexican students.

Baiting BS.. go on, explain?

My unwillingness to be upset that a principal did his job and kept his students safe? How is that baiting anyone?

(05-13-2010 09:48 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  If you are just going to defend people because they are Americans, even though you know they tried to start a fight and upset people, and were at fault, so be it.

Enjoy basing your moral compass on geography. I can't argue with that logic because I will never understand it. If that makes me unAmerican so be it.

You REPEATEDLY keep saying these students wanted to start a fight, yet you either refuse or cannot (probably the latter) come up with anything showing that they were trying to do that.

(05-13-2010 09:53 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Baiting BS.. go on, explain?

My unwillingness to be upset that a principal did his job and kept his students safe? How is that baiting anyone?

The wrong people were sent home.

RB.. are you serious? Or are you just arguing to argue? I didn't think it was possible you could actually think otherwise so I didn't care to reply earlier, but you keep asking so I guess it needs to be adressed.

You don't think these kids were trying to antagonize the Mexican students? Is that really what you are saying? Am I reading what you've said correctly? I'm hoping that's not the case, I find it hard to believe someone with a college education is that naive to think these shirts were worn with good intentions.


I guess if you're just playing devil's advocate, fine. I get it, it's remotely possible, a group of friends happened to all wear American Flag shirts and bandanna's to school on the same day that happens to be a Mexican holiday. If you want to believe that's really the case though, I have a lot of bridges to sell you.. great discount prices, just PM me and we'll see if we can't work out a finance plan that fits your budget.

(05-13-2010 10:13 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  RB.. are you serious? Or are you just arguing to argue? I didn't think it was possible you could actually think otherwise so I didn't care to reply earlier, but you keep asking so I guess it needs to be adressed.

You don't think these kids were trying to antagonize the Mexican students? Is that really what you are saying? Am I reading what you've said correctly? I'm hoping that's not the case, I find it hard to believe someone with a college education is that naive to think these shirts were worn with good intentions.


I guess if you're just playing devil's advocate, fine. I get it, it's remotely possible, a group of friends happened to all wear American Flag shirts and bandanna's to school on the same day that happens to be a Mexican holiday. If you want to believe that's really the case though, I have a lot of bridges to sell you.. great discount prices, just PM me and we'll see if we can't work out a finance plan that fits your budget.

So, at least you now admit that it's just your opinion they were trying to antagonize the Mexicans. You logic is moronic. When a Blackhawks fan wears a Hawks jersey to a game in Vancouver, are they trying to antagonize the other fans, or show support for the Hawks? In the vast majority of cases it's the latter, because if it was the former you'd get you ass kicked. But I've watched almost every Hawks game this year, and there are often Hawks fans wearing Hawks jerseys on the road, and I've never heard about any of them being attacked for doing so.

If the kids wore American clothing to make a statement that they are sick of the way the government deals with illegals - GREAT!!!! And if it annoys Mexicans, again - TOO BAD!!! You clearly won't change you mind, and I DEFINITELY won't change mine on this topic, so we are going to have to agree to disagree. That's the beauty of America - we can do that and not have to beat each other up over it. Apparently you don't think the Mexicans have such restraint.

Public schools are extensions of government, and, therefore, can't officially stifle freedom of speech. However, they are required to provide a "safe and conducive" learning environment. If a garment is intended to provoke, then it can't be tolerated. If you honestly think these kids are THAT excited about America, then fine. I'd be willing to bet each and every one of you that these kids rarely, if ever, wear clothing with the stars and stripes on them. So, they decided to get together and wear the same USA gear on Cinco de Mayo in an effort to piss people off.

If a group of white kids wore confederate flag shirts to a southside chicago high school on MLK day and the administration didn't step in, there would probably be dead white kids. But hey, I'm fine with what you guys are saying. Let these kids get their asses kicked...it'll teach them a valuable lesson about being an insensitive ******* on purpose. Then you can do whatever you want with the kids who started the fight...probably a suspension or expulsion.

(05-13-2010 10:58 AM)armour248 Wrote:  Public schools are extensions of government, and, therefore, can't officially stifle freedom of speech. However, they are required to provide a "safe and conducive" learning environment. If a garment is intended to provoke, then it can't be tolerated. If you honestly think these kids are THAT excited about America, then fine. I'd be willing to bet each and every one of you that these kids rarely, if ever, wear clothing with the stars and stripes on them. So, they decided to get together and wear the same USA gear on Cinco de Mayo in an effort to piss people off.

If a group of white kids wore confederate flag shirts to a southside chicago high school on MLK day and the administration didn't step in, there would probably be dead white kids. But hey, I'm fine with what you guys are saying. Let these kids get their asses kicked...it'll teach them a valuable lesson about being an insensitive ******* on purpose. Then you can do whatever you want with the kids who started the fight...probably a suspension or expulsion.

Or hopefully throw their asses in jail if they are legal and out of the country if illegal. Your example is a poor one though - my guess is that confederate t-shirts wouldn't be allowed any day; and neither should the stupid Malcom X-wear, but for some reason that specific racist is approved of by too many.

(05-13-2010 11:05 AM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  Or hopefully throw their asses in jail if they are legal and out of the country if illegal. Your example is a poor one though - my guess is that confederate t-shirts wouldn't be allowed any day; and neither should the stupid Malcom X-wear, but for some reason that specific racist is approved of by too many.

Why would wearing a confederate or Malcom X t-shirt be banned? Aren't we talking about free speech here? If one truly believes in free speech, why would the values of the confederacy or Malcom X's teachings be banned? Free speech for what you believe in (USA) but not for what other people believe in (Confederacy, Malcom X)? In all honesty, those two ideas could present a lot more thought provoking and intelligent discussion then a group of kids going to school decked out in USA gear. Would these ideas be banned because they could cause a violent situation in the classroom?

As for the kids going to jail or being sent out of the country, I'm sure they'd figure something out. In the meanwhile, people like you would be flipping out asking why the principal didn't provide a safe environment for the kids who got their asses kicked. I'm a big proponent of free speech, but I believe that school rules and the situation at the school have to be taken into consideration in this scenario. I also believe this is a really ****** use of free speech. Anyone using free speech to deliberately piss off another population of people is abusing their powers of free speech.

And before you even respond with "So you're assuming they wore the shirts to antagonize the Hispanic students?"

Yes, I am.