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How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens
How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens

By Michelle Malkin
April 28, 2010

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door "to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement." But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in "Nazi-zona" last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?

-- The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset "the equilibrium of the national demographics." How's that for racial and ethnic profiling?

-- If outsiders do not enhance the country's "economic or national interests" or are "not found to be physically or mentally healthy," they are not welcome. Neither are those who show "contempt against national sovereignty or security." They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

-- Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama's illegal alien aunt -- a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

-- Law enforcement officials at all levels -- by national mandate -- must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens' arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

-- Ready to show your papers? Mexico's National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens' identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico's Ley General de PoblaciĆ³n (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy. There's been no public clamor for "comprehensive immigration reform" in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators "Smash the State," and holding signs that proclaimed "No human is illegal" and "We have rights."

But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot "in any way participate in the political affairs of the country." In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico's southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn't respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.

Meanwhile, Mexican consular offices in the United States have coordinated with left-wing social justice groups and the Catholic Church leadership to demand a moratorium on all deportations and a freeze on all employment raids across America.

Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing -- a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here's the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands:

HipĆ³critas.

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In Case You Want to Read the Real Bill

Arizona Senate Bill 1070
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How bad must the countries South of Mexico be if people are trying to come across their border?03-lmfao

Good article. Although I doubt any law is going to stop travelers..I do agree that the US should enact equivalent laws as Mexico has. What would be unfair about that?

I continue to harp on the US welfare handouts as being the major cause of the traveler problem. No one in Washington seems to want to address this issue and instead want to build walls or beef up the police state...neither of which have stemmed the flow of travelers thus far.

Stop incentivizing travelers to want to stay in the US.
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This is the real problem here. The pressure is going to be on, and remain on, until the Latin American economies get on their feet. The most effective things we can do to stem the flow of illegal immigrants are to (1) help them get their economies going, or (2) crater ours. We seem to be well on the way to (2) right now, but I'd much prefer to do (1).
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(04-28-2010 12:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  This is the real problem here. The pressure is going to be on, and remain on, until the Latin American economies get on their feet. The most effective things we can do to stem the flow of illegal immigrants are to (1) help them get their economies going, or (2) crater ours. We seem to be well on the way to (2) right now, but I'd much prefer to do (1).
So what you are saying is we should be putting puppet governments in again. Unfortunately, that was a big part of the problem. Maybe, just maybe we should try something else. One thing that can be done is for the citizens of those countries to stop giving conservatives the power and lean a little left(not as far left as Venezuela) in order to better the life for the average man vs allowing the rich to get richer.
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(04-28-2010 12:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  This is the real problem here. The pressure is going to be on, and remain on, until the Latin American economies get on their feet. The most effective things we can do to stem the flow of illegal immigrants are to (1) help them get their economies going, or (2) crater ours. We seem to be well on the way to (2) right now, but I'd much prefer to do (1).

In practical terms, ending agricultural subsidies here at home may be the best "win-win" that can be done.

(04-28-2010 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So what you are saying is we should be putting puppet governments in again. Unfortunately, that was a big part of the problem. Maybe, just maybe we should try something else. One thing that can be done is for the citizens of those countries to stop giving conservatives the power and lean a little left(not as far left as Venezuela) in order to better the life for the average man vs allowing the rich to get richer.

Disregarding the ignorance displayed following any statement of yours that begins with "So what you are saying", aren't you being a bit arrogant and xenophobic when you suggest that only puppet governments installed by the US are capable of running some other country with competence?
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(04-28-2010 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-28-2010 12:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  This is the real problem here. The pressure is going to be on, and remain on, until the Latin American economies get on their feet. The most effective things we can do to stem the flow of illegal immigrants are to (1) help them get their economies going, or (2) crater ours. We seem to be well on the way to (2) right now, but I'd much prefer to do (1).
So what you are saying is we should be putting puppet governments in again. Unfortunately, that was a big part of the problem. Maybe, just maybe we should try something else. One thing that can be done is for the citizens of those countries to stop giving conservatives the power and lean a little left(not as far left as Venezuela) in order to better the life for the average man vs allowing the rich to get richer.

Name the furthest left leaning government that has ever made life better for the average man. Can you name any?

Socialists/communists talk about making things better for average people, but average people don't seem to do too well under their regimes.
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(04-28-2010 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  One thing that can be done is for the citizens of those countries to stop giving conservatives the power and lean a little left(not as far left as Venezuela) in order to better the life for the average man vs allowing the rich to get richer.

I wouldn't think of the Latin American governments of yesteryear as true free market "conservatism". There was a mountain of crony capitalism (something true capitalists should abhor) and awful corruption to be had in many of these governments.

But you are correct to an extent in that the US would frequently back, and oftentimes facilitate, these sorts of seedy leaders simply because it "wasn't communism." The recent leftist wave across the continent - although Chile recently swung back to the right - is partly a reaction to this.
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(04-28-2010 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-28-2010 12:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  This is the real problem here. The pressure is going to be on, and remain on, until the Latin American economies get on their feet. The most effective things we can do to stem the flow of illegal immigrants are to (1) help them get their economies going, or (2) crater ours. We seem to be well on the way to (2) right now, but I'd much prefer to do (1).
So what you are saying is we should be putting puppet governments in again. Unfortunately, that was a big part of the problem. Maybe, just maybe we should try something else. One thing that can be done is for the citizens of those countries to stop giving conservatives the power and lean a little left(not as far left as Venezuela) in order to better the life for the average man vs allowing the rich to get richer.


So a puppet left government is okay, but not a puppet right government??

All you have to do is look at the Mexican constitution to see the difference between us and virtually EVERY other country. In order to own things or have power, you must come from a certain class... BOTH parents BORN in Mexico (and i guarantee their SCOTUS is more literal in its interpretations of what that means than we are) They've been exploiting eachother for centuries... most former Kingdoms have.

The best thought I have (without having thought it through completely) is to improve their economies by cancelling all purchases from China and diverting them to Mexico. Make Mexico the preferred employer for low skill jobs like farming... the jobs americans don't want to do... Instead of importing cheap labor, we intentionally choose to export specific jobs
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(04-28-2010 03:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The best thought I have (without having thought it through completely) is to improve their economies by cancelling all purchases from China and diverting them to Mexico. Make Mexico the preferred employer for low skill jobs like farming... the jobs americans don't want to do... Instead of importing cheap labor, we intentionally choose to export specific jobs

They call that 'NAFTA', and people still complain about it.
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(04-28-2010 03:53 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(04-28-2010 03:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The best thought I have (without having thought it through completely) is to improve their economies by cancelling all purchases from China and diverting them to Mexico. Make Mexico the preferred employer for low skill jobs like farming... the jobs americans don't want to do... Instead of importing cheap labor, we intentionally choose to export specific jobs
They call that 'NAFTA', and people still complain about it.

This was precisely why I supported NAFTA. Unfortunately, for several reasons, it has not turned out as well as possible. That's not a reason to ditch NAFTA, but it is a reason to try to do a better job of getting it right.

The number of jobs we actually lost due to NAFTA is tiny. Yes, a lot of jobs did move to Mexico. But those jobs were going somewhere else anyway. All that NAFTA meant was that the somewhere else was Mexico instead of China. And I think that is a good thing.

Almost certainly, the number of jobs gained through better access to Canadian and Mexican markets far outweighs the number of jobs lost.
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Our policy should be somewhat similar to Mexico's. Clearly the Arizona law isn't nearly as strict as Mexico's, so I don't see how the Mexican gubment or its citizens can point fingers at AZ and its new immigration law.

Here's an example of the hate speech in AZ

[Image: illegalprotest5.jpg]

[Image: Hate-Speach-by-Pro-Illegal-Alien.jpg]

Notice the map of Mexico extends its border to CA, NV, UT, NM, AZ, & TX in the sign below

[Image: manifest008.jpg]

Signs you won't see on CNN coverage of AZ protests
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(04-28-2010 04:40 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Signs you won't see on CNN coverage of AZ protests

Ummmm.....maybe I'm missing something but where are the original Mexicans and why are they Spanish speaking Catholics - European language and religion.
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So that's the best they've got: "500 years ago, you (...gotta love that collective 'You') illegally immigrated here too!"

Well, shoot, I'm convinced. Drop the borders. Because an action occurring five centuries ago is obviously relevant now.
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(04-28-2010 05:28 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  So that's the best they've got: "500 years ago, you (...gotta love that collective 'You') illegally immigrated here too!"

Well, shoot, I'm convinced. Drop the borders. Because an action occurring five centuries ago is obviously relevant now.

Maybe the US will consider a 2 State Solution.
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(04-28-2010 06:19 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(04-28-2010 05:28 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  So that's the best they've got: "500 years ago, you (...gotta love that collective 'You') illegally immigrated here too!"

Well, shoot, I'm convinced. Drop the borders. Because an action occurring five centuries ago is obviously relevant now.

Maybe the US will consider a 2 State Solution.

don't we already have one with the Indians?
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(04-28-2010 04:40 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Our policy should be somewhat similar to Mexico's. Clearly the Arizona law isn't nearly as strict as Mexico's, so I don't see how the Mexican gubment or its citizens can point fingers at AZ and its new immigration law.

Here's an example of the hate speech in AZ

[Image: illegalprotest5.jpg]

[Image: Hate-Speach-by-Pro-Illegal-Alien.jpg]

Notice the map of Mexico extends its border to CA, NV, UT, NM, AZ, & TX in the sign below

[Image: manifest008.jpg]

Signs you won't see on CNN coverage of AZ protests

The media is quick to point out one looney at a Tea Party rally (that most likely is a Dem in disguise) yet they won't show one of these true protesters.

Imagine the American outrage when these illegals (or some legals) are waving the MEXICAN flag at a rally against AMERICAN immigration policies on national TV?
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