(04-21-2010 09:43 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-21-2010 07:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The problem is you likely have to add either ECU or Memphis now. The BB schools will not accept a all sports member school right now, and I don't know if UCF would take a fb only, with the risk of having no good places to put other teams if B10 decided against expansion.

UCF would take a FB only. As I stated in another thread, any FB only would likely be a full member anyway in a couple years in the event the BE loses a team or teams, and UCF, ECU, and Memphis knows this.

I seriously doubt we would take a FB only bid at this point. 7 years ago when the first Big East blowup occurred, we would have for sure. Not now, though. We have not put $200+ million into facilities since then just to sacrifice the rest of our sports back to the Atlantic Sun. ECU would take a FB only bid and their AD has said so publicly.

I don't see it helping. May even complicate things more.

No. Must wait and see what happens...

No, and basically do away with all the work USF has done to build our program and getting recruits interested in us over UF, FSU, and Miami and other Big East schools. Why throw another obstacle in our way? BTW, what has UCF accomplished?

(04-21-2010 11:29 AM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  No, and basically do away with all the work USF has done to build our program and getting recruits interested in us over UF, FSU, and Miami and other Big East schools. Why throw another obstacle in our way? BTW, what has UCF accomplished?

I agree with this 100%. However if it happens it happens. I have given up worrying about if UCF joins the BE. USF won't vote for it, but if the others vote them in, so be it.

(04-21-2010 11:34 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-21-2010 11:29 AM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  No, and basically do away with all the work USF has done to build our program and getting recruits interested in us over UF, FSU, and Miami and other Big East schools. Why throw another obstacle in our way? BTW, what has UCF accomplished?

I agree with this 100%. However if it happens it happens. I have given up worrying about if UCF joins the BE. USF won't vote for it, but if the others vote them in, so be it.

I don't see any reason for UCF fans to feel proud about being a frontrunner. Now, let me state that I recognize that they are indeed a frontrunner for expansion. The reasons though are not due to performance, but rather their location. It's not because they have tradition, history, or anything else for that matter where things really should count. They just happen to be located 20 miles outside of downtown Orlando, so they're a shoe-in. What's to be proud of? Being the C-USA location Champions? Get serious. That's nothing to be proud of and if my school were accepted to a new conference based upon that achievement, and not on the field performance accomplishments, quite frankly I'd be somewhat embarrassed about it.

UCF built facilities because....well....they didn't have any. They didn't have a football field so they built an aluminum stands one for the price tag of 40MM or about the price of Southern Miss and ECU's endzone and upper deck expansions. They didn't have a hoops court, so they built one, otherwise they'd still be playing on that old volleyball court. Why should they get praise for building facilities they didn't have before? Why do they get credit for doing things they SHOULD do and HAVE to do to be a D1 school? Do you get credit for taking care of your kids? How about for not killing people? NO! Those are givens.

UCF is a frontrunner for absolutely no other reason than the fact that they reside in the Orlando DMA. Not because they're competitive where it should count.

As I recall, and please correct me if I'm wrong, UCF was given the opportunity to join the Big East as a football only member a few years back when they were renting their stadium, the Citrus Bowl (may have even been the Citronauts then, I can't recall since their mascot changes seemingly year over year due to lack of tradition and in turn, identity). They were given that opportunity based upon their location. Not their facilities (had none) and certainly not because they were any good at football (obviously they weren't...still aren't).

UCF turned that opportunity down and South Florida got the nod.

UCF considered solely due to their location, nothing else. Same thing applies today.

Congratulations on your location, UCF fans. You sure have a lot to be proud of.

Hey! //MPower's learned how to copy/paste from his earlier posts! Who knew that message boards could be such an educational experience for 13 year olds.

Dude, seriously. You're a troll. A pathetically sad one at that (how cute! He knows about the Citronaut!). GTFO.

KnightTower, would you like to argue any points or just run your mouth? Feel free.

Why would I want to punish myself by dedicating my own time and resources into arguing a childish troll? I repeat, GTFO.

(04-21-2010 12:18 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Why would I want to punish myself by dedicating my own time and resources into arguing a childish troll? I repeat, GTFO.

I didn't think so.

Sorry, you can't bait me.

Oh, and welcome to my ignore list. I'm fairly confident you'll never say anything of relevance that needs to be read.

Who's trying to bait you? I simply posted the reason why you were a potential front runner for Big East expansion. If you don't agree with what I'm posting, feel free to object with facts as I've presented. If you do agree, then STFU and GTFO of the thread. kthanks

(04-21-2010 11:49 AM)///MPower Wrote:  As I recall, and please correct me if I'm wrong, UCF was given the opportunity to join the Big East as a football only member a few years back when they were renting their stadium, the Citrus Bowl (may have even been the Citronauts then, I can't recall since their mascot changes seemingly year over year due to lack of tradition and in turn, identity). They were given that opportunity based upon their location. Not their facilities (had none) and certainly not because they were any good at football (obviously they weren't...still aren't).

UCF turned that opportunity down and South Florida got the nod.

Actually, I believe this is a misnomer. When the last expansion happened UCF was selected to be the "FB only" invite, we had a stronger FB program than USF at this point in time, and a larger fanbase (I would argue we still have a better established fanbase), however the invitation was never extended because Boston College decided they were going to the ACC too, that open up an all sports spot and the Big East decided to go with USF because, at the time, they had admittedly better basketball facilities.

USF was brought up because of their facilities and basketball program, when the invite was FB only (meaning that Football was the ONLY deciding factor) UCF was their choice.

The success seen at USF would have been near identical to the success that UCF would have had, had they been brought up. It is a product of the system. Are you telling me UCONN would have a successful football program if their FB team was in CUSA or the MAC, come on man, use your head.

(04-21-2010 12:27 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  

(04-21-2010 11:49 AM)///MPower Wrote:  As I recall, and please correct me if I'm wrong, UCF was given the opportunity to join the Big East as a football only member a few years back when they were renting their stadium, the Citrus Bowl (may have even been the Citronauts then, I can't recall since their mascot changes seemingly year over year due to lack of tradition and in turn, identity). They were given that opportunity based upon their location. Not their facilities (had none) and certainly not because they were any good at football (obviously they weren't...still aren't).

UCF turned that opportunity down and South Florida got the nod.

Actually, I believe this is a misnomer. When the last expansion happened UCF was selected to be the "FB only" invite, we had a stronger FB program than USF at this point in time, and a larger fanbase (I would argue we still have a better established fanbase), however the invitation was never extended because Boston College decided they were going to the ACC too, that open up an all sports spot and the Big East decided to go with USF because, at the time, they had admittedly better basketball facilities.

USF was brought up because of their facilities and basketball program, when the invite was FB only (meaning that Football was the ONLY deciding factor) UCF was their choice.

The success seen at USF would have been near identical to the success that UCF would have had, had they been brought up. It is a product of the system. Are you telling me UCONN would have a successful football program if their FB team was in CUSA or the MAC, come on man, use your head.

No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying, repeatedly even, is that the only reason UCF is considered as an expansion target is due to their proximity to Orlando and not because of anything they've ever done outside of having a specific physical location.

(04-21-2010 12:33 PM)///MPower Wrote:  

(04-21-2010 12:27 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  

(04-21-2010 11:49 AM)///MPower Wrote:  As I recall, and please correct me if I'm wrong, UCF was given the opportunity to join the Big East as a football only member a few years back when they were renting their stadium, the Citrus Bowl (may have even been the Citronauts then, I can't recall since their mascot changes seemingly year over year due to lack of tradition and in turn, identity). They were given that opportunity based upon their location. Not their facilities (had none) and certainly not because they were any good at football (obviously they weren't...still aren't).

UCF turned that opportunity down and South Florida got the nod.

Actually, I believe this is a misnomer. When the last expansion happened UCF was selected to be the "FB only" invite, we had a stronger FB program than USF at this point in time, and a larger fanbase (I would argue we still have a better established fanbase), however the invitation was never extended because Boston College decided they were going to the ACC too, that open up an all sports spot and the Big East decided to go with USF because, at the time, they had admittedly better basketball facilities.

USF was brought up because of their facilities and basketball program, when the invite was FB only (meaning that Football was the ONLY deciding factor) UCF was their choice.

The success seen at USF would have been near identical to the success that UCF would have had, had they been brought up. It is a product of the system. Are you telling me UCONN would have a successful football program if their FB team was in CUSA or the MAC, come on man, use your head.

No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying, repeatedly even, is that the only reason UCF is considered as an expansion target is due to their proximity to Orlando and not because of anything they've ever done outside of having a specific physical location.

Unfortunately my friend that's just they way things work in life. As any businessman will tell you it's all about location, location, location... In fact, outside of it's academics, it's location is a large factor why UCF fans choose to get their degree at UCF.

Look, the BCS machine could make ANY football program a winner if they wanted too, on the field performance can be fixed. Location, potential TV sets, enrollment, etc. can not.

I for one would be perfectly fine with having my Alma Mater selected for a BCS AQ conference based solely on location. In fact, I am sure that USF fans were perfectly fine with being called up for the same exact reasons.

(04-20-2010 11:18 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  I know there addition will not prevent schools from going to the B10 and will mean less football money in the short term...but from where I sit it might be the wise move. Adding the Knights this summer gets the two year old waiting period to leave CUSA started, and gets UCF an extra year to recruit as a "BCS school" so if the B10 does expand there football program will be more prepared to hit the ground running when the leftover schools may be in crisis mode. If nothing happens we have our 9th member and our football trip to Fla everyear

Thoughts?

Jackson

How many BCS schools can Florida support or any state?

You can make case for any school with “BCS” label but we are talking about 4 BCS schools already in the state.

A 9th school in this suggestion really not adding any value perception wise or monetary wise, just a warm body, if that is the case, why not look for school with potential to grow beyond 2nd class citizen. If you really care about the future, look at UConn today compare them to 10 years ago and years from now. Visiting Florida every year will not help you if you have to compete with them in recruiting. No, I don’t see any benefit just more mouth to feed and harder for our coaches for recruiting in that state. All other sports trips have to be multiply by 2, this is not Miami.

(04-21-2010 08:24 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-21-2010 08:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis is NOT taking a football only, anywhere.

I recall our AD publicly stating that we would (about a year ago).

Exactly right, both He and and ECU big wig said the same. UCF because of location does not have many good options as to where to put other sports.

(04-21-2010 11:29 AM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  No, and basically do away with all the work USF has done to build our program and getting recruits interested in us over UF, FSU, and Miami and other Big East schools. Why throw another obstacle in our way? BTW, what has UCF accomplished?

I really don't get this attitude at all. You're telling me that if UCF joins the Big East, that USF goes back to square one? That USF recruiting is going to crumble away, and we'll never be able to challenge UM, UF, and FSU for recruits? That we'll never beat ranked teams again? If this program is that shallow that it needs the BCS tag advantage over UCF to be successful, then frankly, we're screwed anyways.

I could understand the idea of USF's legitimacy being challenged if UCF were some crap program, but they're not. As long as UCF plays up to our level, which I fully expect, then there shouldn't be an issue. There are plenty of recruits in the state of Florida, and I think they'll challenge other BCS teams as much as they'll challenge USF. Competitiveness isn't a bad thing, especially if the competition pushes USF even harder to make a better program. We haven't accomplished a whole lot, and I'd rather us be on our guard with UCF joining the conference, than to get lazy with "Oh, we're BCS and we were #2 for a week, so our program is completely fine". That kind of attitude is what got FSU in to the position they are today.

UCF does provide some negatives to USF, no doubt, but I'm more worried about a bad program joining and bringing down the prestige of the conference, than I am UCF joining.

(04-21-2010 12:47 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(04-21-2010 08:24 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-21-2010 08:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis is NOT taking a football only, anywhere.

I recall our AD publicly stating that we would (about a year ago).

Exactly right, both He and and ECU big wig said the same. UCF because of location does not have many good options as to where to put other sports.

And I am saying things have changed, and that is no longer his position. I had honestly forgotten he ever said that. I know for a fact that is no longer the official position.

(04-21-2010 12:48 PM)BullsFanatic Wrote:  

(04-21-2010 11:29 AM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  No, and basically do away with all the work USF has done to build our program and getting recruits interested in us over UF, FSU, and Miami and other Big East schools. Why throw another obstacle in our way? BTW, what has UCF accomplished?

I really don't get this attitude at all. You're telling me that if UCF joins the Big East, that USF goes back to square one? That USF recruiting is going to crumble away, and we'll never be able to challenge UM, UF, and FSU for recruits? That we'll never beat ranked teams again? If this program is that shallow that it needs the BCS tag advantage over UCF to be successful, then frankly, we're screwed anyways.

I could understand the idea of USF's legitimacy being challenged if UCF were some crap program, but they're not. As long as UCF plays up to our level, which I fully expect, then there shouldn't be an issue. There are plenty of recruits in the state of Florida, and I think they'll challenge other BCS teams as much as they'll challenge USF. Competitiveness isn't a bad thing, especially if the competition pushes USF even harder to make a better program. We haven't accomplished a whole lot, and I'd rather us be on our guard with UCF joining the conference, than to get lazy with "Oh, we're BCS and we were #2 for a week, so our program is completely fine". That kind of attitude is what got FSU in to the position they are today.

UCF does provide some negatives to USF, no doubt, but I'm more worried about a bad program joining and bringing down the prestige of the conference, than I am UCF joining.

It's refreshing to see this type of an attitude on a message board...