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RE: Teams BE may look at
(04-19-2010 06:48 PM)JHG722 Wrote: (04-19-2010 06:43 PM)buckaineer Wrote: (04-19-2010 06:38 PM)JHG722 Wrote: There is no chance Marshall gets in over Temple.
I have always said, if Pitt leaves and VU doesn't want to move its program up then Temple would be one of the top targets for replacement. That being said I would never say never, their football has much more history of being good than TU and they have an on campus "BE sized" stadium. TU of course has had much better bb.
And we have an NFL stadium a few minutes away from campus?
Marshall isn't exactly Alabama...
And neither is Temple----as I recall Marshall has soundly defeated Temple in football even when Temple was in a BCS conference. Doesn't mean either will get in or not.
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(04-19-2010 07:01 PM)buckaineer Wrote: And neither is Temple
I never proclaimed us to be.
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RE: Teams BE may look at
(04-19-2010 07:02 PM)JHG722 Wrote: (04-19-2010 07:01 PM)buckaineer Wrote: And neither is Temple
I never proclaimed us to be.
On the bright side for Temple even though they haven't performed to the level of say ECU in football, they are in BE territory in a very important state, in a major metropolis, have been a member before, and their biggest trump over some other candidates i.e. from CUSA is they are tier 3 academically. Plus you have great bb.
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RE: Teams BE may look at
(04-19-2010 06:38 PM)JHG722 Wrote: There is no chance Marshall gets in over Temple.
I remember a certain someone saying that about UCF too.
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(04-19-2010 06:59 PM)buckaineer Wrote: Huntington is #63 DMA so it isn't that far off from #50 Memphis. However, I never said if Marshall would get in or not, I just listed the non BCS options for the BE in the academic range that would be considered. They won't look at Greeneville, NC for sure, they might look at Orlando, Dallas/Ft. Worth (TCU) and Tulsa(another possible travel partner?) They'll look at things like keeping some sort of contiguous states as well though, and also quality of programs will be considered. There are plenty of metro areas in the list of teams I gave and the schools in those areas have decent academic standing to outstanding. Memphis isn't going to be considered if its academics aren't improved.
I'm not calling you out, I just don't understand why some people are gushing over Marshall. Memphis probably has too good a basketball program to pass up especially if you're losing Pitt, or even worse, Syracuse.
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RE: Teams BE may look at
(04-19-2010 07:22 PM)esayem Wrote: (04-19-2010 06:59 PM)buckaineer Wrote: Huntington is #63 DMA so it isn't that far off from #50 Memphis. However, I never said if Marshall would get in or not, I just listed the non BCS options for the BE in the academic range that would be considered. They won't look at Greeneville, NC for sure, they might look at Orlando, Dallas/Ft. Worth (TCU) and Tulsa(another possible travel partner?) They'll look at things like keeping some sort of contiguous states as well though, and also quality of programs will be considered. There are plenty of metro areas in the list of teams I gave and the schools in those areas have decent academic standing to outstanding. Memphis isn't going to be considered if its academics aren't improved.
I'm not calling you out, I just don't understand why some people are gushing over Marshall. Memphis probably has too good a basketball program to pass up especially if you're losing Pitt, or even worse, Syracuse.
There are other bb options-the bb schools may want to pick another northeast or catholic team anyway. Now that Calipari is gone and Memphis is under NCAA scrutiny, what was looking very good doesn't look so good anymore. Throw in low academic standing and the bb schools aren't going to be thrilled with that option.
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RE: Teams BE may look at
(04-19-2010 06:09 PM)WVUeer Wrote: (04-19-2010 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: Don't think Army or Navy are on the list. We would have heard something about that by now.
Listen to the media, I know you hate to hear it but Memphis and ECU are not that far behind. Jurich did say he expected some CUSA replacements. Unless you want to make a big push for Marshall then I dunno.
Personally I disagree with the statement about Army and Navy. Especially if ND gives up its independence. They could be a player in the end IMO.
I agree that Memphis and ECU are not far behind but those two schools are not on the list of options that Buck presented.
I've always said I think these four schools would most definitely be in the mix.....Memphis UCF, Marshall and ECU
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have Army, Navy and UCF join.
I just don't think Notre Dame, Army and Navy will give up their independent status. I could even see Navy in the Big Ten if they were in expansion debate but because of the lack of chatter I am just making the assumption they are not joining a conference anytime soon.
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RE: Teams BE may look at
(04-19-2010 05:18 PM)buckaineer Wrote: Pitino has basically said UCF is a done deal so I'll assume he knows what he is talking about.
He mentioned that another two would have to be found, (although it may be more), and that he expected the league to still be together.
The Ohio State AD also said that the other leagues would remain-just change membership and continue. Therefore the assumption here is that the BE football and remaining schools try to reconfigure. Who do they go after besides UCF? Many other CUSA teams have been brought up over and over, but the problem here is that these schools are tier 4 academically and there just aren't ANY schools at that level in the BCS.
Here is the pool of schools the Big East, with everyone voting would likely look at in an initial list. These are simply teams that have football AND basketball programs that meet the basic academic criteria the Big East and any BCS league would require.
Tier 1 schools with FBS football and basketball
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Tier 1 Masters with fbs football and basketball
Marshall
Tier 1 Masters with fcs football and basketball-note-there were a couple of Virginia and NC schools here as well but I'm assuming other than Villanova the BE wouldn't look at these other FCS schools
Villanova
Tier 3 schools with FBS football and basketball
UCF* probably in already
Temple
Kent State
Ball State
Bowling Green State
Western Michigan
Tier 1 schools with FCS football and basketball
UMASS
Delaware
Tier 3 schools with FCS football and basketball
Old Dominion
Out of this list I'd imagine things would be rather quickly narrowed to:
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Marshall
Villanova
UCF* probably in already
Temple
UMASS
Delaware
Maybe I lack a sense of humor but any list of expansion targets that doesn't include Memphis and ECU has to be a joke. Aside from UCF and Temple, none of them would help The Big East maintain it's BCS AQ.
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RE: Teams BE may look at
TCU HAS to be next and the 9th school can possible be Houston if it makes TCU feel better. Neither is going to get into the B12 because of the Texas schools already in place
TCU makes this league much more attractive in fooball
Jackson
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RE: Teams BE may look at
(04-19-2010 07:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote: (04-19-2010 05:18 PM)buckaineer Wrote: Pitino has basically said UCF is a done deal so I'll assume he knows what he is talking about.
He mentioned that another two would have to be found, (although it may be more), and that he expected the league to still be together.
The Ohio State AD also said that the other leagues would remain-just change membership and continue. Therefore the assumption here is that the BE football and remaining schools try to reconfigure. Who do they go after besides UCF? Many other CUSA teams have been brought up over and over, but the problem here is that these schools are tier 4 academically and there just aren't ANY schools at that level in the BCS.
Here is the pool of schools the Big East, with everyone voting would likely look at in an initial list. These are simply teams that have football AND basketball programs that meet the basic academic criteria the Big East and any BCS league would require.
Tier 1 schools with FBS football and basketball
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Tier 1 Masters with fbs football and basketball
Marshall
Tier 1 Masters with fcs football and basketball-note-there were a couple of Virginia and NC schools here as well but I'm assuming other than Villanova the BE wouldn't look at these other FCS schools
Villanova
Tier 3 schools with FBS football and basketball
UCF* probably in already
Temple
Kent State
Ball State
Bowling Green State
Western Michigan
Tier 1 schools with FCS football and basketball
UMASS
Delaware
Tier 3 schools with FCS football and basketball
Old Dominion
Out of this list I'd imagine things would be rather quickly narrowed to:
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Marshall
Villanova
UCF* probably in already
Temple
UMASS
Delaware
Maybe I lack a sense of humor but any list of expansion targets that doesn't include Memphis and ECU has to be a joke. Aside from UCF and Temple, none of them would help The Big East maintain it's BCS AQ.
CJ
? Ever heard of Texas Christian University? Navy also has beaten multiple BCS teams and took the Buckeyes to the wire in the shoe last year. Not sure what you are looking at. Memphis hasn't done anything of relevance in the football world for years, and ECU was good -not great for about four years, but that coach is gone and no one knows what the new one will bring. Did I mention they are tier 4 academically? Not a joke, but facts.
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If the Big East invited TCU, would the league really be in the east any longer? How far west can The Big East go and still be considered east?
CJ
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(04-19-2010 08:07 PM)CardinalJim Wrote: If the Big East invited TCU, would the league really be in the east any longer? How far west can The Big East go and still be considered east?
CJ
If the Big Ten added PSU would they really be the Big Ten--oh wait
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(04-19-2010 08:03 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: TCU HAS to be next and the 9th school can possible be Houston if it makes TCU feel better. Neither is going to get into the B12 because of the Texas schools already in place
TCU makes this league much more attractive in fooball
Jackson
Houston is a tier 4 school also, same problem as ECU and Memphis. Tulsa, which has been a pretty decent CUSA West team could be a travel partner for a TCU, but Tulsa isn't Houston in population of course.
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(04-19-2010 06:36 PM)WVUeer Wrote: (04-19-2010 06:24 PM)buckaineer Wrote: True, but honestly WVU may not need to worry about it, at least not for long.
I got a feeling that you are right about that Buck and I think Stew knows it also. Personally I think we are headed to the ACC if things take off the way we think its going to. To be honest, I'm excited about the idea of that. I hope it happens.
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/2...Big+Empty+
West Virginia football coach Bill Stewart last month spoke openly of the football breakup of the Big East and expressed little anxiety, speculating that West Virginia would then be picked up by the ACC or SEC.
Tranghese, in his radio interview, wasn't so sure.
“I just don't see it that way at all,” Tranghese said. “I just don't think that the ACC and SEC are going to expand.”
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(04-19-2010 08:22 PM)UofL07 Wrote: (04-19-2010 06:36 PM)WVUeer Wrote: (04-19-2010 06:24 PM)buckaineer Wrote: True, but honestly WVU may not need to worry about it, at least not for long.
I got a feeling that you are right about that Buck and I think Stew knows it also. Personally I think we are headed to the ACC if things take off the way we think its going to. To be honest, I'm excited about the idea of that. I hope it happens.
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/2...Big+Empty+
West Virginia football coach Bill Stewart last month spoke openly of the football breakup of the Big East and expressed little anxiety, speculating that West Virginia would then be picked up by the ACC or SEC.
Tranghese, in his radio interview, wasn't so sure.
“I just don't see it that way at all,” Tranghese said. “I just don't think that the ACC and SEC are going to expand.”
hmm, the same Tranghese who was surprised that the ACC would try and poach teams and thought the BE could sit and do nothing after the last raid? The Tranghese who thought it a good idea to create the unyeilding hybrid despite the fact it has led football to probably its demise? Yeah, he is on top of what is happening.
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(04-19-2010 08:20 PM)buckaineer Wrote: (04-19-2010 08:03 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: TCU HAS to be next and the 9th school can possible be Houston if it makes TCU feel better. Neither is going to get into the B12 because of the Texas schools already in place
TCU makes this league much more attractive in fooball
Jackson
Houston is a tier 4 school also, same problem as ECU and Memphis. Tulsa, which has been a pretty decent CUSA West team could be a travel partner for a TCU, but Tulsa isn't Houston in population of course.
Wasn't Louisville a tier 4 school when the joined the BE? Regardless, beggers can't be choosers. We don't have the luxary of getting good football schools that also have solid academics. We need schools that are good in football period. If it takes Houston to get TCU do it. It may minimize how much of our football schools lose in term of TV contracts etc
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(04-19-2010 07:25 PM)buckaineer Wrote: (04-19-2010 07:22 PM)esayem Wrote: (04-19-2010 06:59 PM)buckaineer Wrote: Huntington is #63 DMA so it isn't that far off from #50 Memphis. However, I never said if Marshall would get in or not, I just listed the non BCS options for the BE in the academic range that would be considered. They won't look at Greeneville, NC for sure, they might look at Orlando, Dallas/Ft. Worth (TCU) and Tulsa(another possible travel partner?) They'll look at things like keeping some sort of contiguous states as well though, and also quality of programs will be considered. There are plenty of metro areas in the list of teams I gave and the schools in those areas have decent academic standing to outstanding. Memphis isn't going to be considered if its academics aren't improved.
I'm not calling you out, I just don't understand why some people are gushing over Marshall. Memphis probably has too good a basketball program to pass up especially if you're losing Pitt, or even worse, Syracuse.
There are other bb options-the bb schools may want to pick another northeast or catholic team anyway. Now that Calipari is gone and Memphis is under NCAA scrutiny, what was looking very good doesn't look so good anymore. Throw in low academic standing and the bb schools aren't going to be thrilled with that option.
Last I checked the allegations are over and Memphis has the #1 recruiting class in the nation. That's not good?
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(04-19-2010 08:06 PM)buckaineer Wrote: (04-19-2010 07:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote: (04-19-2010 05:18 PM)buckaineer Wrote: Pitino has basically said UCF is a done deal so I'll assume he knows what he is talking about.
He mentioned that another two would have to be found, (although it may be more), and that he expected the league to still be together.
The Ohio State AD also said that the other leagues would remain-just change membership and continue. Therefore the assumption here is that the BE football and remaining schools try to reconfigure. Who do they go after besides UCF? Many other CUSA teams have been brought up over and over, but the problem here is that these schools are tier 4 academically and there just aren't ANY schools at that level in the BCS.
Here is the pool of schools the Big East, with everyone voting would likely look at in an initial list. These are simply teams that have football AND basketball programs that meet the basic academic criteria the Big East and any BCS league would require.
Tier 1 schools with FBS football and basketball
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Tier 1 Masters with fbs football and basketball
Marshall
Tier 1 Masters with fcs football and basketball-note-there were a couple of Virginia and NC schools here as well but I'm assuming other than Villanova the BE wouldn't look at these other FCS schools
Villanova
Tier 3 schools with FBS football and basketball
UCF* probably in already
Temple
Kent State
Ball State
Bowling Green State
Western Michigan
Tier 1 schools with FCS football and basketball
UMASS
Delaware
Tier 3 schools with FCS football and basketball
Old Dominion
Out of this list I'd imagine things would be rather quickly narrowed to:
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Marshall
Villanova
UCF* probably in already
Temple
UMASS
Delaware
Maybe I lack a sense of humor but any list of expansion targets that doesn't include Memphis and ECU has to be a joke. Aside from UCF and Temple, none of them would help The Big East maintain it's BCS AQ.
CJ
? Ever heard of Texas Christian University? Navy also has beaten multiple BCS teams and took the Buckeyes to the wire in the shoe last year. Not sure what you are looking at. Memphis hasn't done anything of relevance in the football world for years, and ECU was good -not great for about four years, but that coach is gone and no one knows what the new one will bring. Did I mention they are tier 4 academically? Not a joke, but facts.
Hell while you are at it you might as well add Utah, BYU, and Boise State....They could be travel partners...
And by the way you have mentioned that Memphis and ECU are Tier 4 schools on several occasions.....We get it, you do not want Memphis or ECU in the Big East.
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(04-19-2010 08:30 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: (04-19-2010 08:20 PM)buckaineer Wrote: (04-19-2010 08:03 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: TCU HAS to be next and the 9th school can possible be Houston if it makes TCU feel better. Neither is going to get into the B12 because of the Texas schools already in place
TCU makes this league much more attractive in fooball
Jackson
Houston is a tier 4 school also, same problem as ECU and Memphis. Tulsa, which has been a pretty decent CUSA West team could be a travel partner for a TCU, but Tulsa isn't Houston in population of course.
Wasn't Louisville a tier 4 school when the joined the BE? Regardless, beggers can't be choosers. We don't have the luxary of getting good football schools that also have solid academics. We need schools that are good in football period. If it takes Houston to get TCU do it. It may minimize how much of our football schools lose in term of TV contracts etc
Jackson
Of course the remnants and bb schools can choose whatever they want--I don't think the bb schools which will hold the power with more schools than football will go for throwing all their values out just for a diminished football conference that likely will be fluid for awhile though. They will want to associate with members they feel are peers and that they have common ground with, while still letting football reestablish itself.
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buckaineer Wrote:hmm, the same Tranghese who was surprised that the ACC would try and poach teams and thought the BE could sit and do nothing after the last raid? The Tranghese who thought it a good idea to create the unyeilding hybrid despite the fact it has led football to probably its demise? Yeah, he is on top of what is happening.
The best post of the night by far Buck.
No doubt Tranghese has much of the blame and its well deserved. How in the hell can a conference who has "The LARGEST TV Market in ANY BCS conference" end up failing as it is right before our eyes? How? I tell you how...its called piss poor management, thats how. No backbone! Terrible. Absolutley terrible! Instead of bringing in a few more "All-Sports" candidates in 2005 to help stablize the football side they bring in Marquette and Depaul for "Basketball only"? WTF? That was a horrible move. I didnt like it when they did that but they did it anyway.
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