I've seen enough of Kennesaw this year to know that they have guys who have the ability to shoot the ball well and yet are shooting very poorly. ETSU has the exact same problem. At ETSU many of us feel this is a result of coaching. Why do you guys feel Kennesaw is struggling in this department?

Gold, I know many KSU fans that believe coaching has a lot to do with it and I agree.

well really its twofold on this board. many of us, like you at etsu, think its a coaching issue. the ones who are slow to put the blame on the coaching staff shift their excuses to the lack of a true point guard. our PG today had 15 pts and 8 assists, so im not really sure that argument holds up much. I'm not saying fire ingle tomorrow, however, I am afraid that since he won the D-II national championship in 2004 he's kind of been given a free pass in some areas.

I'm going to go with coaching too. Though our pg play is far from consistent, we have enough fire power and talent to make up for it. We have too much talent to be playing this poor. Kurtis Woods, Ladaris Green, Markeith Cummings, and Matt Heramb were all recruits that were looked at by a good amount of d-1 schools, some of those schools being in the major conferences.

I would of understood if we had this record a few years ago, but with the players we got, we should have a better record then we do now. Something just isnt clicking with the players and coaches this year.

I am one of the guys that is very slow to blame coaching, because there is simply too much as fans we don't know. You are correct in saying that we have some guys who are good shooters, but I think Kennesaw's main problem is that we simply don't have a low post presence. Our best post player is Markeith, and he is a wing player. We don't have a guy that we can put in the post and create his own shot, which means that team crowd us on the perimeter (thus making our good shooters struggle at times).

For what it is worth, I think that Bartow is a solid coach, and any ETSU fan that complains too much about him is pretty crazy.

(01-18-2010 07:30 AM)KennesawBasketball Wrote:  I am one of the guys that is very slow to blame coaching, because there is simply too much as fans we don't know. You are correct in saying that we have some guys who are good shooters, but I think Kennesaw's main problem is that we simply don't have a low post presence. Our best post player is Markeith, and he is a wing player. We don't have a guy that we can put in the post and create his own shot, which means that team crowd us on the perimeter (thus making our good shooters struggle at times).

For what it is worth, I think that Bartow is a solid coach, and any ETSU fan that complains too much about him is pretty crazy.

Kennesaw Basketball, you are spot on again and I hope your words stick with some on this board who continue to want to find other excuses. Our most recent best season was 2007-08 when we had the inside presence of Tanner Jacobs, a 6'7", 220 pound freshman from Kentucky, who we could put on the box and dump the ball inside to. He would make positive things happen and made strong moves to score or get to the freethrow line. He also passed well out of the post to Wooten and others. He shot 48 percent from the field and took 19 percent of our shots. He played an average of 22 minutes a game. Over the span of a 40 minute game he would have averaged 9 rebounds a game and 5 of them would have been offensive. This gave our team balance.

Unfortunately, he got homesick and left the program and has not adequately been replaced and I feel that this is the true problem. On the current roster, we have the POTENTIAL to get this type of performance from a few of our players, but they have flaws.

I won't beat a dead horse here.

(01-18-2010 07:30 AM)KennesawBasketball Wrote:  I am one of the guys that is very slow to blame coaching, because there is simply too much as fans we don't know. You are correct in saying that we have some guys who are good shooters, but I think Kennesaw's main problem is that we simply don't have a low post presence. Our best post player is Markeith, and he is a wing player. We don't have a guy that we can put in the post and create his own shot, which means that team crowd us on the perimeter (thus making our good shooters struggle at times).

For what it is worth, I think that Bartow is a solid coach, and any ETSU fan that complains too much about him is pretty crazy.

I think that's all fair, but coaching isn't totally up to par either. It's difficult to allow coaching to slide with the "if we only had X kind of player" excuse. Good coaches run schemes that take advantage of the talent they have, and to minimize the impact of the other team's strengths. Poor coaches insist on running a particular style of offense even if the talent isn't there to support it.

Now I'm NOT saying that Ingle is a poor coach, but I think it's clear that this coaching staff isn't changing up the scheme to match the talent. Perhaps in a few years we'll have a true center and Green will put on 30 pounds, but until then we should certainly be able to beat many of the teams on our schedule that we've lost to thus far.

The frustrating thing about last year was that we started out mediocre and got worse as the season progressed. This year, we played Notre Dame and St. Louis respectably, and beat Lipscomb, but it seems as if we're starting to do the same thing -- get worse as the season progresses. That too has to be laid at the feet of the coaches.

Ingle has some time -- people will clearly be patient coming out of the reclass period, but the key word to his continued tenure in the next 3-4 years will be "progress".

(01-18-2010 07:30 AM)KennesawBasketball Wrote:  I am one of the guys that is very slow to blame coaching, because there is simply too much as fans we don't know. You are correct in saying that we have some guys who are good shooters, but I think Kennesaw's main problem is that we simply don't have a low post presence. Our best post player is Markeith, and he is a wing player. We don't have a guy that we can put in the post and create his own shot, which means that team crowd us on the perimeter (thus making our good shooters struggle at times).

For what it is worth, I think that Bartow is a solid coach, and any ETSU fan that complains too much about him is pretty crazy.

I am with you KB. Most people on these boards would say that Rick Byrd is a good coach and has been for years. Right now, Belmont is not shooting well. Did he suddenly stop coaching well?

I think in some cases, I think coaching can be a contributing factor, but it is not the only reason.

(01-18-2010 09:03 AM)Go Fly Win Owls! Wrote:  

(01-18-2010 07:30 AM)KennesawBasketball Wrote:  I am one of the guys that is very slow to blame coaching, because there is simply too much as fans we don't know. You are correct in saying that we have some guys who are good shooters, but I think Kennesaw's main problem is that we simply don't have a low post presence. Our best post player is Markeith, and he is a wing player. We don't have a guy that we can put in the post and create his own shot, which means that team crowd us on the perimeter (thus making our good shooters struggle at times).

For what it is worth, I think that Bartow is a solid coach, and any ETSU fan that complains too much about him is pretty crazy.

Kennesaw Basketball, you are spot on again and I hope your words stick with some on this board who continue to want to find other excuses. Our most recent best season was 2007-08 when we had the inside presence of Tanner Jacobs, a 6'7", 220 pound freshman from Kentucky, who we could put on the box and dump the ball inside to. He would make positive things happen and made strong moves to score or get to the freethrow line. He also passed well out of the post to Wooten and others. He shot 48 percent from the field and took 19 percent of our shots. He played an average of 22 minutes a game. Over the span of a 40 minute game he would have averaged 9 rebounds a game and 5 of them would have been offensive. This gave our team balance.

Unfortunately, he got homesick and left the program and has not adequately been replaced and I feel that this is the true problem. On the current roster, we have the POTENTIAL to get this type of performance from a few of our players, but they have flaws.

I won't beat a dead horse here.

Spot on with how much we miss Tanner. I think a lot of people forget just how tough he was his frosh year here. Theres no question that a lack of talent (and inside game) is a good bit of the problem.

I also feel theres no quesiton that we aren't playing as good right now as we were at the start of the season. This falls on the coach to keep finding ways to motivate his players.

Also its Ingle's job to replace Tanner.. I know post players don't grow on trees but he's had a few years to bring in help.

All in all its not black and white. We have issues with coaching and talent in my opinion.

There are always issues when we are obtaining L's in the column. I think everyone here would be happy to quit venting if we could string together some wins :)