(01-12-2010 07:31 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Shorten the timeframe to the past 60 years and you'll see a decline of about 1.5 degrees. How about we go back 100, 200, 300 a,d 500 years and see what the trends are... otherwise, it certainly appears that you can pick a timeframe to tell either story... or just call it "change", which seems like the only CONSISTENT thing about the chart.

The original that I posted went back a little over 100 years. When you go back 200-500 years you start in the little ice age. I imagine the anomalies for today would be much higher if we did that. Now if you go to the medieval warm period or some earlier warm period a few thousand years ago, that might be a different story. Unfortunately we don't have data from those periods that are as accurate as what we have collected in the last 150 or so years. Then again all these maps and graphs show are December continental US temperatures, not global and not annual. Still interesting to look at in my opinion.

Damn global warming just caused the first death from hypothermia in Miami:

Miami Man dies from Hypothermia

DAMN that global warming. We need to STOP that **** before it freezes us all to death!

(01-11-2010 12:34 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(01-10-2010 10:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  What exactly are all these "impressive" charts and graphs supposed to show?

They show temps in December.

Oh. THanks. It gets cold in Chicago in December as well as January. Got any pretty graphs for January?

(01-13-2010 12:48 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Damn global warming just caused the first death from hypothermia in Miami:

Miami Man dies from Hypothermia

DAMN that global warming. We need to STOP that **** before it freezes us all to death!

Not really a surprise that someone from south Florida, who is not accustomed to cold weather and/or doesn't know how to prepare, would die in the cold. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there are more reported. As for your global warming ignorance, well, it is just what I expect.

(01-13-2010 03:29 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Not really a surprise that someone from south Florida, who is not accustomed to cold weather and/or doesn't know how to prepare, would die in the cold. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there are more reported. As for your global warming ignorance, well, it is just what I expect.

Read your statement a few more times and tell me if it makes ANY sense.

I.e., "Not really a surprise someone from Florida, who is not accustomed to the cold, would die during global warming from the cold".

Wait, what?

It's futile to try and have a conversation with a moron.

(01-13-2010 03:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 12:34 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(01-10-2010 10:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  What exactly are all these "impressive" charts and graphs supposed to show?

They show temps in December.

Oh. THanks. It gets cold in Chicago in December as well as January. Got any pretty graphs for January?

Let me see. I think that there city you mentioned is in Illinois, right? As you can see below, January mean temps in Illinois are showing a .1 degree F DECLINE, going back 115 years to 1895:



That's according to the government, though. You can't trust them.

(01-12-2010 08:01 PM)plaidtiger Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 07:31 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Shorten the timeframe to the past 60 years and you'll see a decline of about 1.5 degrees. How about we go back 100, 200, 300 a,d 500 years and see what the trends are... otherwise, it certainly appears that you can pick a timeframe to tell either story... or just call it "change", which seems like the only CONSISTENT thing about the chart.

The original that I posted went back a little over 100 years. When you go back 200-500 years you start in the little ice age. I imagine the anomalies for today would be much higher if we did that. Now if you go to the medieval warm period or some earlier warm period a few thousand years ago, that might be a different story. Unfortunately we don't have data from those periods that are as accurate as what we have collected in the last 150 or so years. Then again all these maps and graphs show are December continental US temperatures, not global and not annual. Still interesting to look at in my opinion.

Sorry plaid, I was eyeballing the trend and eyeballing the period. Maybe it's the last 40 or 50. Certainly there are plenty of snapshots you could take (as you seem to agree) that would show a different story than the catastrophic "global warming"... which is the point I'm trying to make. If you choose the period properly, you can argue almost any theory. Even this one seems to support an argument that whatever we've been doing over the past 60 years has actually REDUCED the impact of global warming, doesn't it?

If you compare the trend line to the vol... the "climate change" argument carries much less weight as well. The earth's temperature seems to be in CONSTANT and SIGNIFICANT change.... but not in one direction alone

(01-13-2010 11:39 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Sorry plaid, I was eyeballing the trend and eyeballing the period. Maybe it's the last 40 or 50. Certainly there are plenty of snapshots you could take (as you seem to agree) that would show a different story than the catastrophic "global warming"... which is the point I'm trying to make. If you choose the period properly, you can argue almost any theory.

Yup. I was playing around w/ the LIttle Rock data, and doing just that.

Cleveland...not so much.