I wanted everyone to be able to get the fire Steve talk off their chest.

I hope I have made the case for Steve. He is a good guy and lead us to a lot of success. I really think last year we could have played post season but Moore departing killed that.

This same group will be back next year, a little older and with more playing time. Gone will be two of the big holes in the team and I would think a couple of new players will be added.


At a share holders meeting in Monroe for Delta a couple of guys from New York stand up and say that they have X shares and they would like to move the share holders meeting to New York.

A guy in overalls stands up and and says he has XX amount of shares and invites them back to Monroe next year for the shareholders meetings.

(01-11-2010 10:26 AM)insideualr Wrote:  I wanted everyone to be able to get the fire Steve talk off their chest.

I hope I have made the case for Steve. He is a good guy and lead us to a lot of success. I really think last year we could have played post season but Moore departing killed that.

This same group will be back next year, a little older and with more playing time. Gone will be two of the big holes in the team and I would think a couple of new players will be added.


At a share holders meeting in Monroe for Delta a couple of guys from New York stand up and say that they have X shares and they would like to move the share holders meeting to New York.

A guy in overalls stands up and and says he has XX amount of shares and invites them back to Monroe next year for the shareholders meetings.

Sounds like Murphy Oil and El Dorado...

The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

(01-11-2010 10:38 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

If this was Fayetteville, there is no doubt that there would be a coaching change. But it's possible this administration has to worry about Hogville, even when it comes to decisions on hiring or firing a basketball coach. I don't know that. It's purely speculation. Could be entirely bogus.

(01-11-2010 10:26 AM)insideualr Wrote:  I wanted everyone to be able to get the fire Steve talk off their chest.

I hope I have made the case for Steve. He is a good guy and lead us to a lot of success. I really think last year we could have played post season but Moore departing killed that.

This same group will be back next year, a little older and with more playing time. Gone will be two of the big holes in the team and I would think a couple of new players will be added.


At a share holders meeting in Monroe for Delta a couple of guys from New York stand up and say that they have X shares and they would like to move the share holders meeting to New York.

A guy in overalls stands up and and says he has XX amount of shares and invites them back to Monroe next year for the shareholders meetings.

I'll agree Steve is a great guy. I don't agree that we would have gone to the postseason had Stevie not departed the team. We won a lot of games without him, and would have probably won a lot more if he had stayed suspended the entire year. But there are always things we'll never know. We can only go on what we actually do know. ONE MORE YEAR WE DIDN'T MAKE THE POSTSEASON.

(01-11-2010 10:42 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:38 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

If this was Fayetteville, there is no doubt that there would be a coaching change. But it's possible this administration has to worry about Hogville, even when it comes to decisions on hiring or firing a basketball coach. I don't know that. It's purely speculation. Could be entirely bogus.

Honestly what can Fayetteville do? Why would they care? The only boot on our neck I can see is that of of donors who are (I assume) in bed with Fayetteville. They buy up the seats knowing damn well they will almost always be empty and they could not care less. Those "ghosts" are the folks that we need to crowd out. We need to be popular enough that people will buy season tickets in such volume (3500+) that we can lower the ticket price because actual people will show up and buy t-shirts and concessions. We need fans to go with those funds. We need to put an exciting and "posteasonable" product on the floor. I know that this will not likely happen. The corporate ticket blocks are steady and reliable revenue even after crappy seasons. You can't count on individual customers to be that consistent.

(01-11-2010 10:53 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:42 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:38 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

If this was Fayetteville, there is no doubt that there would be a coaching change. But it's possible this administration has to worry about Hogville, even when it comes to decisions on hiring or firing a basketball coach. I don't know that. It's purely speculation. Could be entirely bogus.

Honestly what can Fayetteville do? Why would they care? The only boot on our neck I can see is that of of donors who are (I assume) in bed with Fayetteville. They buy up the seats knowing damn well they will almost always be empty and they could not care less. Those "ghosts" are the folks that we need to crowd out. We need to be popular enough that people will buy season tickets in such volume (3500+) that we can lower the ticket price because actual people will show up and buy t-shirts and concessions. We need fans to go with those funds. We need to put an exciting and "posteasonable" product on the floor. I know that this will not likely happen. The corporate ticket blocks are steady and reliable revenue even after crappy seasons. You can't count on individual customers to be that consistent.

Maybe if we start serving that Wolf brand chile at the games, we'll get more fans.

(01-11-2010 10:45 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:26 AM)insideualr Wrote:  I wanted everyone to be able to get the fire Steve talk off their chest.

I hope I have made the case for Steve. He is a good guy and lead us to a lot of success. I really think last year we could have played post season but Moore departing killed that.

This same group will be back next year, a little older and with more playing time. Gone will be two of the big holes in the team and I would think a couple of new players will be added.


At a share holders meeting in Monroe for Delta a couple of guys from New York stand up and say that they have X shares and they would like to move the share holders meeting to New York.

A guy in overalls stands up and and says he has XX amount of shares and invites them back to Monroe next year for the shareholders meetings.

I'll agree Steve is a great guy. I don't agree that we would have gone to the postseason had Stevie not departed the team. We won a lot of games without him, and would have probably won a lot more if he had stayed suspended the entire year. But there are always things we'll never know. We can only go on what we actually do know. ONE MORE YEAR WE DIDN'T MAKE THE POSTSEASON.

No doubt we make the postseason last year with Stevee. We're up 8-10 points when he gets thrown out against Western. We win that game with him and get an automatic NIT bid. The whole Stevee situation pissed me off, and is the reason I'm not the head of the Steve Shields Fan Club as LRTrojan suggested I should be. But I don't have to agree with every coaching decision to still support a coach.

I don't think FAY plays into this in anyway.

I think it is time to support Steve and the kids while they are having a down year. We will start the up swing next year with this set of kids having recieved playing time and a couple more to fill any holes on the team.

(01-11-2010 10:56 AM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't think FAY plays into this in anyway.

I think it is time to support Steve and the kids while they are having a down year. We will start the up swing next year with this set of kids having recieved playing time and a couple more to fill any holes on the team.

Agreed. I think we've all proved we will do that anyway. We all still attend the games and give our financial support to the program. Whomever is in charge of the team is up to Chris. Everything else is just discussion and opinion. We all know the "MONEY TALKS AND BS WALKS" statement. Truer words were never spoken.

(01-11-2010 10:54 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:53 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:42 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:38 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

If this was Fayetteville, there is no doubt that there would be a coaching change. But it's possible this administration has to worry about Hogville, even when it comes to decisions on hiring or firing a basketball coach. I don't know that. It's purely speculation. Could be entirely bogus.

Honestly what can Fayetteville do? Why would they care? The only boot on our neck I can see is that of of donors who are (I assume) in bed with Fayetteville. They buy up the seats knowing damn well they will almost always be empty and they could not care less. Those "ghosts" are the folks that we need to crowd out. We need to be popular enough that people will buy season tickets in such volume (3500+) that we can lower the ticket price because actual people will show up and buy t-shirts and concessions. We need fans to go with those funds. We need to put an exciting and "posteasonable" product on the floor. I know that this will not likely happen. The corporate ticket blocks are steady and reliable revenue even after crappy seasons. You can't count on individual customers to be that consistent.

Maybe if we start serving that Wolf brand chile at the games, we'll get more fans.

If we get more fans at the games we can sell more chili dogs.

(01-11-2010 11:06 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:54 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:53 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:42 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:38 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

If this was Fayetteville, there is no doubt that there would be a coaching change. But it's possible this administration has to worry about Hogville, even when it comes to decisions on hiring or firing a basketball coach. I don't know that. It's purely speculation. Could be entirely bogus.

Honestly what can Fayetteville do? Why would they care? The only boot on our neck I can see is that of of donors who are (I assume) in bed with Fayetteville. They buy up the seats knowing damn well they will almost always be empty and they could not care less. Those "ghosts" are the folks that we need to crowd out. We need to be popular enough that people will buy season tickets in such volume (3500+) that we can lower the ticket price because actual people will show up and buy t-shirts and concessions. We need fans to go with those funds. We need to put an exciting and "posteasonable" product on the floor. I know that this will not likely happen. The corporate ticket blocks are steady and reliable revenue even after crappy seasons. You can't count on individual customers to be that consistent.

Maybe if we start serving that Wolf brand chile at the games, we'll get more fans.

If we get more fans at the games we can sell more chili dogs.

Well it's definitely been chili weather. I love chili dogs.

(01-11-2010 10:56 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:45 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:26 AM)insideualr Wrote:  I wanted everyone to be able to get the fire Steve talk off their chest.

I hope I have made the case for Steve. He is a good guy and lead us to a lot of success. I really think last year we could have played post season but Moore departing killed that.

This same group will be back next year, a little older and with more playing time. Gone will be two of the big holes in the team and I would think a couple of new players will be added.


At a share holders meeting in Monroe for Delta a couple of guys from New York stand up and say that they have X shares and they would like to move the share holders meeting to New York.

A guy in overalls stands up and and says he has XX amount of shares and invites them back to Monroe next year for the shareholders meetings.

I'll agree Steve is a great guy. I don't agree that we would have gone to the postseason had Stevie not departed the team. We won a lot of games without him, and would have probably won a lot more if he had stayed suspended the entire year. But there are always things we'll never know. We can only go on what we actually do know. ONE MORE YEAR WE DIDN'T MAKE THE POSTSEASON.

No doubt we make the postseason last year with Stevee. We're up 8-10 points when he gets thrown out against Western. We win that game with him and get an automatic NIT bid. The whole Stevee situation pissed me off, and is the reason I'm not the head of the Steve Shields Fan Club as LRTrojan suggested I should be. But I don't have to agree with every coaching decision to still support a coach.

You that are regulars here know how I feel about the coaching situation, and I won't go into all of that again, and while some of you hold totally opposite feelings, I don't have a problem with that. I have made some very good friends from this Trojan gig, and I won't let this coaching situation change that.

What I do have a problem with, is several on this board have told me one thing in private, and then come on the board and sound like the president of the Steve Shields Fan Club(no mjs isn't one of those I'm speaking of). I won't call any names here, and if you do support him you should defend him, but don't give me two different doses of bull****, one in private and one on the board. I personally am about done with the men's program. I will continue to support Foley and the girls.

(01-11-2010 10:53 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:42 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:38 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

If this was Fayetteville, there is no doubt that there would be a coaching change. But it's possible this administration has to worry about Hogville, even when it comes to decisions on hiring or firing a basketball coach. I don't know that. It's purely speculation. Could be entirely bogus.

Honestly what can Fayetteville do? Why would they care? The only boot on our neck I can see is that of of donors who are (I assume) in bed with Fayetteville. They buy up the seats knowing damn well they will almost always be empty and they could not care less. Those "ghosts" are the folks that we need to crowd out. We need to be popular enough that people will buy season tickets in such volume (3500+) that we can lower the ticket price because actual people will show up and buy t-shirts and concessions. We need fans to go with those funds. We need to put an exciting and "posteasonable" product on the floor. I know that this will not likely happen. The corporate ticket blocks are steady and reliable revenue even after crappy seasons. You can't count on individual customers to be that consistent.

That is an excellent point I haven't considered. Most of our revenue likely comes from corporations who buy season tickets, club seats, suites, and advertising at the arena. Many of these folks are more likely to fly up to Fayetteville for a game then attend one of our games. They give money to our program because its local and they understand UALR is important for our community. Whether they renew their support in any given year is much more determined by their own financial ledger than UALR's won/loss record. They donate to UALR just like they do to the Rep Theater and the Arkansas Symphony. How many of those folks say "What kind of year did the Rep have?" before they renew their yearly pledge.

(01-11-2010 01:04 PM)mjs Wrote:  Many of these folks are more likely to fly up to Fayetteville for a game then attend one of our games.

VERY good point.

(01-11-2010 01:04 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:53 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:42 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:38 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

If this was Fayetteville, there is no doubt that there would be a coaching change. But it's possible this administration has to worry about Hogville, even when it comes to decisions on hiring or firing a basketball coach. I don't know that. It's purely speculation. Could be entirely bogus.

Honestly what can Fayetteville do? Why would they care? The only boot on our neck I can see is that of of donors who are (I assume) in bed with Fayetteville. They buy up the seats knowing damn well they will almost always be empty and they could not care less. Those "ghosts" are the folks that we need to crowd out. We need to be popular enough that people will buy season tickets in such volume (3500+) that we can lower the ticket price because actual people will show up and buy t-shirts and concessions. We need fans to go with those funds. We need to put an exciting and "posteasonable" product on the floor. I know that this will not likely happen. The corporate ticket blocks are steady and reliable revenue even after crappy seasons. You can't count on individual customers to be that consistent.

That is an excellent point I haven't considered. Most of our revenue likely comes from corporations who buy season tickets, club seats, suites, and advertising at the arena. Many of these folks are more likely to fly up to Fayetteville for a game then attend one of our games. They give money to our program because its local and they understand UALR is important for our community. Whether they renew their support in any given year is much more determined by their own financial ledger than UALR's won/loss record. They donate to UALR just like they do to the Rep Theater and the Arkansas Symphony. How many of those folks say "What kind of year did the Rep have?" before they renew their yearly pledge.

As a long time Rep season ticket holder, I can tell you that if the Rep was a basketball program, they'd go to the NCAA tournament every year.
The Rep is one of Little Rock's greatest treasures. As good or better than any in the country, according to some knowledgeable theater critics.

(01-11-2010 02:06 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 01:04 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:53 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:42 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:38 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

If this was Fayetteville, there is no doubt that there would be a coaching change. But it's possible this administration has to worry about Hogville, even when it comes to decisions on hiring or firing a basketball coach. I don't know that. It's purely speculation. Could be entirely bogus.

Honestly what can Fayetteville do? Why would they care? The only boot on our neck I can see is that of of donors who are (I assume) in bed with Fayetteville. They buy up the seats knowing damn well they will almost always be empty and they could not care less. Those "ghosts" are the folks that we need to crowd out. We need to be popular enough that people will buy season tickets in such volume (3500+) that we can lower the ticket price because actual people will show up and buy t-shirts and concessions. We need fans to go with those funds. We need to put an exciting and "posteasonable" product on the floor. I know that this will not likely happen. The corporate ticket blocks are steady and reliable revenue even after crappy seasons. You can't count on individual customers to be that consistent.

That is an excellent point I haven't considered. Most of our revenue likely comes from corporations who buy season tickets, club seats, suites, and advertising at the arena. Many of these folks are more likely to fly up to Fayetteville for a game then attend one of our games. They give money to our program because its local and they understand UALR is important for our community. Whether they renew their support in any given year is much more determined by their own financial ledger than UALR's won/loss record. They donate to UALR just like they do to the Rep Theater and the Arkansas Symphony. How many of those folks say "What kind of year did the Rep have?" before they renew their yearly pledge.

As a long time Rep season ticket holder, I can tell you that if the Rep was a basketball program, they'd go to the NCAA tournament every year.
The Rep is one of Little Rock's greatest treasures. As good or better than any in the country, according to some knowledgeable theater critics.

I've been quite impressed whenever I've gone, but I'm definitely no theatre critic.

(01-11-2010 03:41 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 02:06 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 01:04 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:53 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:42 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(01-11-2010 10:38 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  The only one who has shares in this firm is Peterson, I suppose. Maybe a couple of really big donors.

If this was Fayetteville, there is no doubt that there would be a coaching change. But it's possible this administration has to worry about Hogville, even when it comes to decisions on hiring or firing a basketball coach. I don't know that. It's purely speculation. Could be entirely bogus.

Honestly what can Fayetteville do? Why would they care? The only boot on our neck I can see is that of of donors who are (I assume) in bed with Fayetteville. They buy up the seats knowing damn well they will almost always be empty and they could not care less. Those "ghosts" are the folks that we need to crowd out. We need to be popular enough that people will buy season tickets in such volume (3500+) that we can lower the ticket price because actual people will show up and buy t-shirts and concessions. We need fans to go with those funds. We need to put an exciting and "posteasonable" product on the floor. I know that this will not likely happen. The corporate ticket blocks are steady and reliable revenue even after crappy seasons. You can't count on individual customers to be that consistent.

That is an excellent point I haven't considered. Most of our revenue likely comes from corporations who buy season tickets, club seats, suites, and advertising at the arena. Many of these folks are more likely to fly up to Fayetteville for a game then attend one of our games. They give money to our program because its local and they understand UALR is important for our community. Whether they renew their support in any given year is much more determined by their own financial ledger than UALR's won/loss record. They donate to UALR just like they do to the Rep Theater and the Arkansas Symphony. How many of those folks say "What kind of year did the Rep have?" before they renew their yearly pledge.

As a long time Rep season ticket holder, I can tell you that if the Rep was a basketball program, they'd go to the NCAA tournament every year.
The Rep is one of Little Rock's greatest treasures. As good or better than any in the country, according to some knowledgeable theater critics.

I've been quite impressed whenever I've gone, but I'm definitely no theatre critic.

You are astute enough to recognize excellent performance. The Rep consistently produces that result. I don't love every production because there are certain plays that just don't appeal to me, but even the ones I don't really like, the acting is always superb. And the sets are unbelievable for a rep theater. I look forward to the Rep season just like the Trojan basketball season. I have never once suggested they change directors.