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As an stAte fan, I am not voting in the poll. On the face of it, it is a no brainer to keep Shields. Those arguments are well stated. You have had one of the best runs in program history and have run a program without major incident with no know apr problems. The only hint of controversy in the last 2-3 years being the quality players that have left the program deep in their careers. Your crowds are by historical and current measures pretty good and the over athletic program seems fairly healthy financially.

On the other hand, if you believe that Shields is not going to be able to bring in athletes that are "Sun Belt quality", that is a major concern.

I think there are some similiarities between Shields and Steve Roberts. Both improved and stabalized their programs, both seemed to hit a glass ceiling (or as Bum Phillips said failed to "Kick the door down") and then Roberts saw a bad regression (4-8) in the wake of a wave of injuries. Shields may be headed that way. Fans get board and want more.

We have Roberts for at least 1 more season (in significant part due to financial reasons). We will see how that turns out.

I'm guessing Shields gets another year. We'll see if either Steve can turn it back around and take a step they have not taken before.
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RE: Jerry's fire Steve poll
(01-10-2010 11:37 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 11:33 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:56 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:31 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 08:44 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 08:18 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 05:19 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  If I were AD, I would retain Steve at least one more year. After the team winning 43 games in two years I think that rates a mulligan. However, I am not AD. I figure he would survive 12 wins. I don't know if he would survive 4 wins, and I fear the total may be closer to 4 than to 12.

I think its absolutely insane that some of this "fire Steve" talk started in the midst of the best 2 year run this program has had in 20 years. I thought it was nuts 3 weeks ago, as we were losing to a bunch of teams headed to the postseason, while we were clearly in a rebuilding mode. But, I do agree that if we continue to lose to average Sun Belt teams (we haven't even played WKU, Denver, or Troy yet) Steve's seat my start getting pretty warm.

I really believe it started when we looked horrible in the tournament at Hot Springs, and it seemed as if Chris was so disappointed that we wouldn't accept an invitation to one of the tournaments some of you wanted us to go to. The head man himself said it was imperative to reach the postseason and we didn't. So that was sort of what started it in some folks minds.

Being the best two years in our program in a long time is like a girl weighing 250 pounds and being the slimmest in her class. Not a real feat. I know. 23 wins. But what did it get us? Nada. You were probably upset when we terminated Jim Platt. We all liked him, but liking doesn't mean someone should be able to stay forever without producing some championships. We like Steve, but can he take us any further. If we want to remain at our level of competence, then I guess we don't do anything, but in order to move up, we must at some point take a chance on change. Whether this is the right time is really not for me to say. I have an opinion like everyone, but we'll just take a wait and see attitude and continue to support the kids for now.04-cheers

Well, it looks like all the votes are in. 8-3 to keep Steve the first time. 6-5 the second time. So one loss changed two people's minds. Interesting, one game trumps 6 and a half years. At least, LRTrojan has always remained consistent. He's said a tournament win and an NCAA bid wouldn't change his mind and it shouldn't. If you believe a coach is not the man for the job then 3 "lucky" wins shouldn't change that. It's why I believe if Chris wants to make a change he'll fire Steve before the tournament. There would be no reason not to- a successful tournament (i.e. getting to the Final) would only make his decision more difficult.

Guys I officially have joined the LRTrojan club I think it is time to move the program in another direction. Personally, I will support the team and contribute to the Trojan foundation but I'm just not excited about the men's program at this point. I'm not a big dollar donor but I will say this, my fellow alums that are in my age group are a commodity that this program will need in the future (30 somethings). Some of my buddies had fun in the past when we would go as a group to Alltel and cheer the Trojans on but I never wanted to say this...the majority of them call our games boring and do not attend anymore. We have to find someone that will get the younger generation motivated to attend games. If not we this program will go through a drought when you seasoned and die hard fans unfortunately will not be able to support the program due to health or other issues.

I have heard every excuse in the book on why people I know don't attend UALR basketball games. Maybe your friends are telling the truth. I hope they come back if we get a new coach, but from my experience (with people I know) I won't hold my breath. It seems like once people stop coming, for whatever reason, it's hard to get them back.

Another poster has come out of the closet. I always said we had 12 posters. It's now 7-5 in favor of keeping Steve, at least, for one more year. Who knows if this is representative sample of our fans. It is certainly a sample of our most hardcore fans. Apparently, we are not at the mutiny stage as of yet.

Is there any chance we can get Chris to post his vote?04-cheers
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RE: Jerry's fire Steve poll
(01-10-2010 10:54 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:43 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:38 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:35 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:31 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 08:44 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 08:18 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 05:19 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  If I were AD, I would retain Steve at least one more year. After the team winning 43 games in two years I think that rates a mulligan. However, I am not AD. I figure he would survive 12 wins. I don't know if he would survive 4 wins, and I fear the total may be closer to 4 than to 12.

I think its absolutely insane that some of this "fire Steve" talk started in the midst of the best 2 year run this program has had in 20 years. I thought it was nuts 3 weeks ago, as we were losing to a bunch of teams headed to the postseason, while we were clearly in a rebuilding mode. But, I do agree that if we continue to lose to average Sun Belt teams (we haven't even played WKU, Denver, or Troy yet) Steve's seat my start getting pretty warm.

I really believe it started when we looked horrible in the tournament at Hot Springs, and it seemed as if Chris was so disappointed that we wouldn't accept an invitation to one of the tournaments some of you wanted us to go to. The head man himself said it was imperative to reach the postseason and we didn't. So that was sort of what started it in some folks minds.

Being the best two years in our program in a long time is like a girl weighing 250 pounds and being the slimmest in her class. Not a real feat. I know. 23 wins. But what did it get us? Nada. You were probably upset when we terminated Jim Platt. We all liked him, but liking doesn't mean someone should be able to stay forever without producing some championships. We like Steve, but can he take us any further. If we want to remain at our level of competence, then I guess we don't do anything, but in order to move up, we must at some point take a chance on change. Whether this is the right time is really not for me to say. I have an opinion like everyone, but we'll just take a wait and see attitude and continue to support the kids for now.04-cheers

Well, it looks like all the votes are in. 8-3 to keep Steve the first time. 6-5 the second time. So one loss changed two people's minds. Interesting, one game trumps 6 and a half years. At least, LRTrojan has always remained consistent. He's said a tournament win and an NCAA bid wouldn't change his mind and it shouldn't. If you believe a coach is not the man for the job then 3 "lucky" wins shouldn't change that. It's why I believe if Chris wants to make a change he'll fire Steve before the tournament. There would be no reason not to- a successful tournament (i.e. getting to the Final) would only make his decision more difficult.

Playing devils advocate we have won two back to back division championships but will have 3 losing seasons out of 5.

LRAlum, do you think Chris was in Atlanta to have a "chat" with Dennis Felton? Let's get a good rumor started and see how fast it travels.

I don't know but my question to former d1 would be was Peterson at the ULM game? If not, it is mysterious that Peterson was in Atlanta. Was he here for pleasure or business. I'm sure he would not have thought someone that supports UALR would see him at the Atlanta airport. From what I understand Felton still lives right outside of Athens and close to the Atlanta metro area. Also, Atlanta is a good meeting point for all things east, west, north and south since alot of flights connect in Atl. As Scotto (I miss you bud...you gotta post some) would say we will know more come March.

Boy, it's really a small world. What are the odd's that a UALR supporter and one of the 12 posters on this board would run into Chris in the Atlanta airport? I bet Chris has been to the Little Rock airport dozens of times without running into a UALR fan. I think Felton would be someone who would excite anyone who knows anything about college basketball. However, like you said, Atlanta is a great central meeting point and a place where Chris could be "sure" no one he knew would see him.

I still believe he was meeting Tiger Woods about becoming the golf coach.04-cheers
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RE: Jerry's fire Steve poll
(01-10-2010 10:35 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:31 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 08:44 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 08:18 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 05:19 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  If I were AD, I would retain Steve at least one more year. After the team winning 43 games in two years I think that rates a mulligan. However, I am not AD. I figure he would survive 12 wins. I don't know if he would survive 4 wins, and I fear the total may be closer to 4 than to 12.

I think its absolutely insane that some of this "fire Steve" talk started in the midst of the best 2 year run this program has had in 20 years. I thought it was nuts 3 weeks ago, as we were losing to a bunch of teams headed to the postseason, while we were clearly in a rebuilding mode. But, I do agree that if we continue to lose to average Sun Belt teams (we haven't even played WKU, Denver, or Troy yet) Steve's seat my start getting pretty warm.

I really believe it started when we looked horrible in the tournament at Hot Springs, and it seemed as if Chris was so disappointed that we wouldn't accept an invitation to one of the tournaments some of you wanted us to go to. The head man himself said it was imperative to reach the postseason and we didn't. So that was sort of what started it in some folks minds.

Being the best two years in our program in a long time is like a girl weighing 250 pounds and being the slimmest in her class. Not a real feat. I know. 23 wins. But what did it get us? Nada. You were probably upset when we terminated Jim Platt. We all liked him, but liking doesn't mean someone should be able to stay forever without producing some championships. We like Steve, but can he take us any further. If we want to remain at our level of competence, then I guess we don't do anything, but in order to move up, we must at some point take a chance on change. Whether this is the right time is really not for me to say. I have an opinion like everyone, but we'll just take a wait and see attitude and continue to support the kids for now.04-cheers

Well, it looks like all the votes are in. 8-3 to keep Steve the first time. 6-5 the second time. So one loss changed two people's minds. Interesting, one game trumps 6 and a half years. At least, LRTrojan has always remained consistent. He's said a tournament win and an NCAA bid wouldn't change his mind and it shouldn't. If you believe a coach is not the man for the job then 3 "lucky" wins shouldn't change that. It's why I believe if Chris wants to make a change he'll fire Steve before the tournament. There would be no reason not to- a successful tournament (i.e. getting to the Final) would only make his decision more difficult.

Playing devils advocate we have won two back to back division championships but will have 3 losing seasons out of 5.

You're probably the only person on this board that has truly made a salient point. Most of us see what we want to see. Is the glass half full or half empty. Most of the "keep Steve for one more year" have probably focused on the division championships. That's the "half full" group. But when you see it the other way, 3 losing seasons in the last five, it doesn't look quite as good. If both of those, or either of those, had also resulted in postseason appearances, this discussion probably wouldn't be taking place, and if we had great players at every position coming back next year and a run at a championship, that would certainly make the case for another season.

There's no doubt we'll be a little better next season. Might even win 16 or 17 games, but we've been there and done that for the last 20 years or so. We've upgraded everything about our program but the talent level. And sadly, there's no way to get around who's responsible for that. I'm really surprised there are so many who still want to wait one more year. But hey, I'm surprised at what music people pay money to listen to today. LRAlum said we'll know something in March. Certainly by next November.04-cheers
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(01-11-2010 10:10 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  There's no doubt we'll be a little better next season. Might even win 16 or 17 games, but we've been there and done that for the last 20 years or so. We've upgraded everything about our program but the talent level. And sadly, there's no way to get around who's responsible for that. I'm really surprised there are so many who still want to wait one more year. But hey, I'm surprised at what music people pay money to listen to today. I think it was one of our guests who said we'll know something in March. Certainly by next November.04-cheers

Guests? Guest of what? On this board? Guests can't post. What are you talking about.
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(01-11-2010 10:21 AM)Robert C Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:10 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  There's no doubt we'll be a little better next season. Might even win 16 or 17 games, but we've been there and done that for the last 20 years or so. We've upgraded everything about our program but the talent level. And sadly, there's no way to get around who's responsible for that. I'm really surprised there are so many who still want to wait one more year. But hey, I'm surprised at what music people pay money to listen to today. I think it was one of our guests who said we'll know something in March. Certainly by next November.04-cheers

Guests? Guest of what? On this board? Guests can't post. What are you talking about.
I corrected my statement. It was LRAlum. When I said guest, I was thinking of the Western Kentucky and ASU fan who post regularly on this board. I thought they counted as guests, since they are fans of other teams. But whatever, it's always nice to hear their points of view.04-cheers
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(01-11-2010 10:34 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:21 AM)Robert C Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:10 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  There's no doubt we'll be a little better next season. Might even win 16 or 17 games, but we've been there and done that for the last 20 years or so. We've upgraded everything about our program but the talent level. And sadly, there's no way to get around who's responsible for that. I'm really surprised there are so many who still want to wait one more year. But hey, I'm surprised at what music people pay money to listen to today. I think it was one of our guests who said we'll know something in March. Certainly by next November.04-cheers

Guests? Guest of what? On this board? Guests can't post. What are you talking about.
I corrected my statement. It was LRAlum. When I said guest, I was thinking of the Western Kentucky and ASU fan who post regularly on this board. I thought they counted as guests, since they are fans of other teams. But whatever, it's always nice to hear their points of view.04-cheers

Thanks for clearing that up :04-cheers
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(01-11-2010 09:41 AM)hb8 Wrote:  As an stAte fan, I am not voting in the poll. On the face of it, it is a no brainer to keep Shields. Those arguments are well stated. You have had one of the best runs in program history and have run a program without major incident with no know apr problems. The only hint of controversy in the last 2-3 years being the quality players that have left the program deep in their careers. Your crowds are by historical and current measures pretty good and the over athletic program seems fairly healthy financially.

On the other hand, if you believe that Shields is not going to be able to bring in athletes that are "Sun Belt quality", that is a major concern.

I think there are some similiarities between Shields and Steve Roberts. Both improved and stabalized their programs, both seemed to hit a glass ceiling (or as Bum Phillips said failed to "Kick the door down") and then Roberts saw a bad regression (4-8) in the wake of a wave of injuries. Shields may be headed that way. Fans get board and want more.

We have Roberts for at least 1 more season (in significant part due to financial reasons). We will see how that turns out.

I'm guessing Shields gets another year. We'll see if either Steve can turn it back around and take a step they have not taken before.

Thanks for the unbiased opinion. Comparison to Roberts seems like a good one. I think he's done a very nice job at ASU, and it seems like just a couple of years ago ASU fans thought he hung the moon. I was surprised to see so many folks want him gone (at least, some of the vocal ones on the ASU board). I agree Shields, like Roberts, will get another year. He's won 43 games the last 2 years, our players graduate and don't get in trouble (knock on wood). An injury and a player dismissal turned this team from a 11-7 conference team to what we see now. Our attendance is about what it always is and financially we seem more stable than we have ever been. And maybe most important, like you guys, we don't have the financial resources to "buy out" a coach even if we wanted to.
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(01-11-2010 10:46 AM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 09:41 AM)hb8 Wrote:  As an stAte fan, I am not voting in the poll. On the face of it, it is a no brainer to keep Shields. Those arguments are well stated. You have had one of the best runs in program history and have run a program without major incident with no know apr problems. The only hint of controversy in the last 2-3 years being the quality players that have left the program deep in their careers. Your crowds are by historical and current measures pretty good and the over athletic program seems fairly healthy financially.

On the other hand, if you believe that Shields is not going to be able to bring in athletes that are "Sun Belt quality", that is a major concern.

I think there are some similiarities between Shields and Steve Roberts. Both improved and stabalized their programs, both seemed to hit a glass ceiling (or as Bum Phillips said failed to "Kick the door down") and then Roberts saw a bad regression (4-8) in the wake of a wave of injuries. Shields may be headed that way. Fans get board and want more.

We have Roberts for at least 1 more season (in significant part due to financial reasons). We will see how that turns out.

I'm guessing Shields gets another year. We'll see if either Steve can turn it back around and take a step they have not taken before.

Thanks for the unbiased opinion. Comparison to Roberts seems like a good one. I think he's done a very nice job at ASU, and it seems like just a couple of years ago ASU fans thought he hung the moon. I was surprised to see so many folks want him gone (at least, some of the vocal ones on the ASU board). I agree Shields, like Roberts, will get another year. He's won 43 games the last 2 years, our players graduate and don't get in trouble (knock on wood). An injury and a player dismissal turned this team from a 11-7 conference team to what we see now. Our attendance is about what it always is and financially we seem more stable than we have ever been. And maybe most important, like you guys, we don't have the financial resources to "buy out" a coach even if we wanted to.

The last sentence of your post might make the most sense. We might not be in a position to buy out a coach's contract. Maybe the Razorback Foundation could loan us the money. Hey Scotto. Could you make a call for us?04-cheers
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(01-11-2010 10:46 AM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 09:41 AM)hb8 Wrote:  As an stAte fan, I am not voting in the poll. On the face of it, it is a no brainer to keep Shields. Those arguments are well stated. You have had one of the best runs in program history and have run a program without major incident with no know apr problems. The only hint of controversy in the last 2-3 years being the quality players that have left the program deep in their careers. Your crowds are by historical and current measures pretty good and the over athletic program seems fairly healthy financially.

On the other hand, if you believe that Shields is not going to be able to bring in athletes that are "Sun Belt quality", that is a major concern.

I think there are some similiarities between Shields and Steve Roberts. Both improved and stabalized their programs, both seemed to hit a glass ceiling (or as Bum Phillips said failed to "Kick the door down") and then Roberts saw a bad regression (4-8) in the wake of a wave of injuries. Shields may be headed that way. Fans get board and want more.

We have Roberts for at least 1 more season (in significant part due to financial reasons). We will see how that turns out.

I'm guessing Shields gets another year. We'll see if either Steve can turn it back around and take a step they have not taken before.

Thanks for the unbiased opinion. Comparison to Roberts seems like a good one. I think he's done a very nice job at ASU, and it seems like just a couple of years ago ASU fans thought he hung the moon. I was surprised to see so many folks want him gone (at least, some of the vocal ones on the ASU board). I agree Shields, like Roberts, will get another year. He's won 43 games the last 2 years, our players graduate and don't get in trouble (knock on wood). An injury and a player dismissal turned this team from a 11-7 conference team to what we see now. Our attendance is about what it always is and financially we seem more stable than we have ever been. And maybe most important, like you guys, we don't have the financial resources to "buy out" a coach even if we wanted to.

Holy crap. I was wrong. We have, at least, 13 posters on this board. 8-5 in favor of giving Steve, at least, one more year. 13 posters- now the administration will really have to take notice (sarcasm intended).
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(01-11-2010 10:49 AM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:46 AM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 09:41 AM)hb8 Wrote:  As an stAte fan, I am not voting in the poll. On the face of it, it is a no brainer to keep Shields. Those arguments are well stated. You have had one of the best runs in program history and have run a program without major incident with no know apr problems. The only hint of controversy in the last 2-3 years being the quality players that have left the program deep in their careers. Your crowds are by historical and current measures pretty good and the over athletic program seems fairly healthy financially.

On the other hand, if you believe that Shields is not going to be able to bring in athletes that are "Sun Belt quality", that is a major concern.

I think there are some similiarities between Shields and Steve Roberts. Both improved and stabalized their programs, both seemed to hit a glass ceiling (or as Bum Phillips said failed to "Kick the door down") and then Roberts saw a bad regression (4-8) in the wake of a wave of injuries. Shields may be headed that way. Fans get board and want more.

We have Roberts for at least 1 more season (in significant part due to financial reasons). We will see how that turns out.

I'm guessing Shields gets another year. We'll see if either Steve can turn it back around and take a step they have not taken before.

Thanks for the unbiased opinion. Comparison to Roberts seems like a good one. I think he's done a very nice job at ASU, and it seems like just a couple of years ago ASU fans thought he hung the moon. I was surprised to see so many folks want him gone (at least, some of the vocal ones on the ASU board). I agree Shields, like Roberts, will get another year. He's won 43 games the last 2 years, our players graduate and don't get in trouble (knock on wood). An injury and a player dismissal turned this team from a 11-7 conference team to what we see now. Our attendance is about what it always is and financially we seem more stable than we have ever been. And maybe most important, like you guys, we don't have the financial resources to "buy out" a coach even if we wanted to.

Holy crap. I was wrong. We have, at least, 13 posters on this board. 8-5 in favor of giving Steve, at least, one more year. 13 posters- now the administration will really have to take notice (sarcasm intended).

Are we certain that some are not voting twice. Do we have some voters in Conway County? Where is Marlin Hawkins when you really need him.01-lauramac2
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(01-11-2010 10:53 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:49 AM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:46 AM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 09:41 AM)hb8 Wrote:  As an stAte fan, I am not voting in the poll. On the face of it, it is a no brainer to keep Shields. Those arguments are well stated. You have had one of the best runs in program history and have run a program without major incident with no know apr problems. The only hint of controversy in the last 2-3 years being the quality players that have left the program deep in their careers. Your crowds are by historical and current measures pretty good and the over athletic program seems fairly healthy financially.

On the other hand, if you believe that Shields is not going to be able to bring in athletes that are "Sun Belt quality", that is a major concern.

I think there are some similiarities between Shields and Steve Roberts. Both improved and stabalized their programs, both seemed to hit a glass ceiling (or as Bum Phillips said failed to "Kick the door down") and then Roberts saw a bad regression (4-8) in the wake of a wave of injuries. Shields may be headed that way. Fans get board and want more.

We have Roberts for at least 1 more season (in significant part due to financial reasons). We will see how that turns out.

I'm guessing Shields gets another year. We'll see if either Steve can turn it back around and take a step they have not taken before.

Thanks for the unbiased opinion. Comparison to Roberts seems like a good one. I think he's done a very nice job at ASU, and it seems like just a couple of years ago ASU fans thought he hung the moon. I was surprised to see so many folks want him gone (at least, some of the vocal ones on the ASU board). I agree Shields, like Roberts, will get another year. He's won 43 games the last 2 years, our players graduate and don't get in trouble (knock on wood). An injury and a player dismissal turned this team from a 11-7 conference team to what we see now. Our attendance is about what it always is and financially we seem more stable than we have ever been. And maybe most important, like you guys, we don't have the financial resources to "buy out" a coach even if we wanted to.

Holy crap. I was wrong. We have, at least, 13 posters on this board. 8-5 in favor of giving Steve, at least, one more year. 13 posters- now the administration will really have to take notice (sarcasm intended).

Are we certain that some are not voting twice. Do we have some voters in Conway County? Where is Marlin Hawkins when you really need him.01-lauramac2


I think the "Keep Shields" supporters have hired ACORN to register voters for this poll.
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(01-11-2010 10:59 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:53 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:49 AM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:46 AM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 09:41 AM)hb8 Wrote:  As an stAte fan, I am not voting in the poll. On the face of it, it is a no brainer to keep Shields. Those arguments are well stated. You have had one of the best runs in program history and have run a program without major incident with no know apr problems. The only hint of controversy in the last 2-3 years being the quality players that have left the program deep in their careers. Your crowds are by historical and current measures pretty good and the over athletic program seems fairly healthy financially.

On the other hand, if you believe that Shields is not going to be able to bring in athletes that are "Sun Belt quality", that is a major concern.

I think there are some similiarities between Shields and Steve Roberts. Both improved and stabalized their programs, both seemed to hit a glass ceiling (or as Bum Phillips said failed to "Kick the door down") and then Roberts saw a bad regression (4-8) in the wake of a wave of injuries. Shields may be headed that way. Fans get board and want more.

We have Roberts for at least 1 more season (in significant part due to financial reasons). We will see how that turns out.

I'm guessing Shields gets another year. We'll see if either Steve can turn it back around and take a step they have not taken before.

Thanks for the unbiased opinion. Comparison to Roberts seems like a good one. I think he's done a very nice job at ASU, and it seems like just a couple of years ago ASU fans thought he hung the moon. I was surprised to see so many folks want him gone (at least, some of the vocal ones on the ASU board). I agree Shields, like Roberts, will get another year. He's won 43 games the last 2 years, our players graduate and don't get in trouble (knock on wood). An injury and a player dismissal turned this team from a 11-7 conference team to what we see now. Our attendance is about what it always is and financially we seem more stable than we have ever been. And maybe most important, like you guys, we don't have the financial resources to "buy out" a coach even if we wanted to.

Holy crap. I was wrong. We have, at least, 13 posters on this board. 8-5 in favor of giving Steve, at least, one more year. 13 posters- now the administration will really have to take notice (sarcasm intended).

Are we certain that some are not voting twice. Do we have some voters in Conway County? Where is Marlin Hawkins when you really need him.01-lauramac2


I think the "Keep Shields" supporters have hired ACORN to register voters for this poll.

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(01-11-2010 09:41 AM)hb8 Wrote:  As an stAte fan, I am not voting in the poll. On the face of it, it is a no brainer to keep Shields. Those arguments are well stated. You have had one of the best runs in program history and have run a program without major incident with no know apr problems. The only hint of controversy in the last 2-3 years being the quality players that have left the program deep in their careers. Your crowds are by historical and current measures pretty good and the over athletic program seems fairly healthy financially.

On the other hand, if you believe that Shields is not going to be able to bring in athletes that are "Sun Belt quality", that is a major concern.

I think there are some similiarities between Shields and Steve Roberts. Both improved and stabalized their programs, both seemed to hit a glass ceiling (or as Bum Phillips said failed to "Kick the door down") and then Roberts saw a bad regression (4-8) in the wake of a wave of injuries. Shields may be headed that way. Fans get board and want more.

We have Roberts for at least 1 more season (in significant part due to financial reasons). We will see how that turns out.

I'm guessing Shields gets another year. We'll see if either Steve can turn it back around and take a step they have not taken before.


I said almost the same thing in one of my posts some time ago, that I saw Shields and Steve Robert in essentially the same way. Both are good men and run clean programs. And both have taken their programs as far as their abilities can.
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(01-11-2010 10:10 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:35 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
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(01-10-2010 08:44 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  
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(01-10-2010 05:19 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  If I were AD, I would retain Steve at least one more year. After the team winning 43 games in two years I think that rates a mulligan. However, I am not AD. I figure he would survive 12 wins. I don't know if he would survive 4 wins, and I fear the total may be closer to 4 than to 12.

I think its absolutely insane that some of this "fire Steve" talk started in the midst of the best 2 year run this program has had in 20 years. I thought it was nuts 3 weeks ago, as we were losing to a bunch of teams headed to the postseason, while we were clearly in a rebuilding mode. But, I do agree that if we continue to lose to average Sun Belt teams (we haven't even played WKU, Denver, or Troy yet) Steve's seat my start getting pretty warm.

I really believe it started when we looked horrible in the tournament at Hot Springs, and it seemed as if Chris was so disappointed that we wouldn't accept an invitation to one of the tournaments some of you wanted us to go to. The head man himself said it was imperative to reach the postseason and we didn't. So that was sort of what started it in some folks minds.

Being the best two years in our program in a long time is like a girl weighing 250 pounds and being the slimmest in her class. Not a real feat. I know. 23 wins. But what did it get us? Nada. You were probably upset when we terminated Jim Platt. We all liked him, but liking doesn't mean someone should be able to stay forever without producing some championships. We like Steve, but can he take us any further. If we want to remain at our level of competence, then I guess we don't do anything, but in order to move up, we must at some point take a chance on change. Whether this is the right time is really not for me to say. I have an opinion like everyone, but we'll just take a wait and see attitude and continue to support the kids for now.04-cheers

Well, it looks like all the votes are in. 8-3 to keep Steve the first time. 6-5 the second time. So one loss changed two people's minds. Interesting, one game trumps 6 and a half years. At least, LRTrojan has always remained consistent. He's said a tournament win and an NCAA bid wouldn't change his mind and it shouldn't. If you believe a coach is not the man for the job then 3 "lucky" wins shouldn't change that. It's why I believe if Chris wants to make a change he'll fire Steve before the tournament. There would be no reason not to- a successful tournament (i.e. getting to the Final) would only make his decision more difficult.

Playing devils advocate we have won two back to back division championships but will have 3 losing seasons out of 5.

You're probably the only person on this board that has truly made a salient point. Most of us see what we want to see. Is the glass half full or half empty. Most of the "keep Steve for one more year" have probably focused on the division championships. That's the "half full" group. But when you see it the other way, 3 losing seasons in the last five, it doesn't look quite as good. If both of those, or either of those, had also resulted in postseason appearances, this discussion probably wouldn't be taking place, and if we had great players at every position coming back next year and a run at a championship, that would certainly make the case for another season.

There's no doubt we'll be a little better next season. Might even win 16 or 17 games, but we've been there and done that for the last 20 years or so. We've upgraded everything about our program but the talent level. And sadly, there's no way to get around who's responsible for that. I'm really surprised there are so many who still want to wait one more year. But hey, I'm surprised at what music people pay money to listen to today. LRAlum said we'll know something in March. Certainly by next November.04-cheers


There you go again Doc. No doubt huh? And didn't you predict 17 wins this year? I just wish you'd tell us what stuff you're on, so I can get some of it too. Evidently it really makes you feel good.
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(01-11-2010 12:00 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(01-11-2010 10:10 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:35 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 10:31 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 08:44 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 08:18 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 05:19 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  If I were AD, I would retain Steve at least one more year. After the team winning 43 games in two years I think that rates a mulligan. However, I am not AD. I figure he would survive 12 wins. I don't know if he would survive 4 wins, and I fear the total may be closer to 4 than to 12.

I think its absolutely insane that some of this "fire Steve" talk started in the midst of the best 2 year run this program has had in 20 years. I thought it was nuts 3 weeks ago, as we were losing to a bunch of teams headed to the postseason, while we were clearly in a rebuilding mode. But, I do agree that if we continue to lose to average Sun Belt teams (we haven't even played WKU, Denver, or Troy yet) Steve's seat my start getting pretty warm.

I really believe it started when we looked horrible in the tournament at Hot Springs, and it seemed as if Chris was so disappointed that we wouldn't accept an invitation to one of the tournaments some of you wanted us to go to. The head man himself said it was imperative to reach the postseason and we didn't. So that was sort of what started it in some folks minds.

Being the best two years in our program in a long time is like a girl weighing 250 pounds and being the slimmest in her class. Not a real feat. I know. 23 wins. But what did it get us? Nada. You were probably upset when we terminated Jim Platt. We all liked him, but liking doesn't mean someone should be able to stay forever without producing some championships. We like Steve, but can he take us any further. If we want to remain at our level of competence, then I guess we don't do anything, but in order to move up, we must at some point take a chance on change. Whether this is the right time is really not for me to say. I have an opinion like everyone, but we'll just take a wait and see attitude and continue to support the kids for now.04-cheers

Well, it looks like all the votes are in. 8-3 to keep Steve the first time. 6-5 the second time. So one loss changed two people's minds. Interesting, one game trumps 6 and a half years. At least, LRTrojan has always remained consistent. He's said a tournament win and an NCAA bid wouldn't change his mind and it shouldn't. If you believe a coach is not the man for the job then 3 "lucky" wins shouldn't change that. It's why I believe if Chris wants to make a change he'll fire Steve before the tournament. There would be no reason not to- a successful tournament (i.e. getting to the Final) would only make his decision more difficult.

Playing devils advocate we have won two back to back division championships but will have 3 losing seasons out of 5.

You're probably the only person on this board that has truly made a salient point. Most of us see what we want to see. Is the glass half full or half empty. Most of the "keep Steve for one more year" have probably focused on the division championships. That's the "half full" group. But when you see it the other way, 3 losing seasons in the last five, it doesn't look quite as good. If both of those, or either of those, had also resulted in postseason appearances, this discussion probably wouldn't be taking place, and if we had great players at every position coming back next year and a run at a championship, that would certainly make the case for another season.

There's no doubt we'll be a little better next season. Might even win 16 or 17 games, but we've been there and done that for the last 20 years or so. We've upgraded everything about our program but the talent level. And sadly, there's no way to get around who's responsible for that. I'm really surprised there are so many who still want to wait one more year. But hey, I'm surprised at what music people pay money to listen to today. LRAlum said we'll know something in March. Certainly by next November.04-cheers


There you go again Doc. No doubt huh? And didn't you predict 17 wins this year? I just wish you'd tell us what stuff you're on, so I can get some of it too. Evidently it really makes you feel good.

I confess. I did predict 17 wins this season and was obviously dead wrong. But I told you the first time I ever heard Elvis that I predicted in six months nobody would ever hear of him again. That should have given you a hint as to my ability to predict the future. And what I'm on?
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(01-10-2010 01:48 PM)insideualr Wrote:  One more thing, I would like to see all the posters way in on this. If you are a lurker, signup and vote because I promise you will have more say than you think in what happens about mens program.

I've never once advocated the firing of a UALR basketball coach . . not Happy . . . not Kestenbaum . . . not New not Platt . . . not Sidney . . . not anyone else. I don't advocate the firing of Steve. When I start believing that my judgment on such personnel matters is better than that of our A.D's, then I will advocate the firing of the A.D., but until then, I won't engage in the totally time-wasting exercise of advocating for a coaching change.
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(01-11-2010 11:11 PM)Ynocpirt Wrote:  
(01-10-2010 01:48 PM)insideualr Wrote:  One more thing, I would like to see all the posters way in on this. If you are a lurker, signup and vote because I promise you will have more say than you think in what happens about mens program.

I've never once advocated the firing of a UALR basketball coach . . not Happy . . . not Kestenbaum . . . not New not Platt . . . not Sidney . . . not anyone else. I don't advocate the firing of Steve. When I start believing that my judgment on such personnel matters is better than that of our A.D's, then I will advocate the firing of the A.D., but until then, I won't engage in the totally time-wasting exercise of advocating for a coaching change.

Ynocpirt, I can vouch for your above statement. You've always been consistent on this. I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that I've been swayed by others to join the "fire the coach" frenzy in the past. What has it gotten us- certainly not an NCAA bid. I certainly won't let myself get caught up in it this time around. We have an AD who gets paid big money to make tough decisions like this. Luckily he knows more about what's important in a coach than anyone on this board. And while I don't know Chris that well personally, I know enough that I guarantee he doesn't give a hoot what anyone on this board thinks. I can honestly say that Chris is one of the few people I know who would tell even tell a big booster where to stick it, if he tried to push him into a decision he didn't think was right.
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