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no my statements were not all conference based. Yes I stated that the utter weakness of the belt this year inflated the record of both MT and Troy only because everytime you played a decent team out of conference you got your butt kicked and quite badly. Now MT just beat its first decent team all year and did it impressively so I was proven wrong and they obviously improved but based on everything before the bowl, there was nothing to make anyone believe that MT or Troy were for real this year.
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(12-28-2009 10:23 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  no my statements were not all conference based. Yes I stated that the utter weakness of the belt this year inflated the record of both MT and Troy only because everytime you played a decent team out of conference you got your butt kicked and quite badly. Now MT just beat its first decent team all year and did it impressively so I was proven wrong and they obviously improved but based on everything before the bowl, there was nothing to make anyone believe that MT or Troy were for real this year.

What makes you continue to spew such venom about the SBC when you support a 4-win team that's reaping benefits from BSU like a family on welfare? Y'all are bottom-feeders and that's it. Whether or not TROY performed well against our OOC foes has no bearing on tech... We're still bowlin' and you're waitin' to cash a check off Boise St...freeloaders...

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(12-28-2009 11:13 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 10:23 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  no my statements were not all conference based. Yes I stated that the utter weakness of the belt this year inflated the record of both MT and Troy only because everytime you played a decent team out of conference you got your butt kicked and quite badly. Now MT just beat its first decent team all year and did it impressively so I was proven wrong and they obviously improved but based on everything before the bowl, there was nothing to make anyone believe that MT or Troy were for real this year.

What makes you continue to spew such venom about the SBC when you support a 4-win team that's reaping benefits from BSU like a family on welfare? Y'all are bottom-feeders and that's it. Whether or not TROY performed well against our OOC foes has no bearing on tech... We're still bowlin' and you're waitin' to cash a check off Boise St...freeloaders...

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Boise is actually making Troy more money than your bowl game is.... freeloader.
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(12-29-2009 07:23 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 11:13 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 10:23 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  no my statements were not all conference based. Yes I stated that the utter weakness of the belt this year inflated the record of both MT and Troy only because everytime you played a decent team out of conference you got your butt kicked and quite badly. Now MT just beat its first decent team all year and did it impressively so I was proven wrong and they obviously improved but based on everything before the bowl, there was nothing to make anyone believe that MT or Troy were for real this year.

What makes you continue to spew such venom about the SBC when you support a 4-win team that's reaping benefits from BSU like a family on welfare? Y'all are bottom-feeders and that's it. Whether or not TROY performed well against our OOC foes has no bearing on tech... We're still bowlin' and you're waitin' to cash a check off Boise St...freeloaders...

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Boise is actually making Troy more money than your bowl game is.... freeloader.

How are you going to cherry-pick a dollar amount out of a BC$ slice from one team, then figure that "your" dollar figure split 9 ways is more than a bowl pay-out? The supposed pay-out for the GMAC is $700,000+ and you prophesied that BSU will contribute more than that to TROY? 01-wingedeagle
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(12-29-2009 08:19 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(12-29-2009 07:23 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 11:13 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 10:23 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  no my statements were not all conference based. Yes I stated that the utter weakness of the belt this year inflated the record of both MT and Troy only because everytime you played a decent team out of conference you got your butt kicked and quite badly. Now MT just beat its first decent team all year and did it impressively so I was proven wrong and they obviously improved but based on everything before the bowl, there was nothing to make anyone believe that MT or Troy were for real this year.

What makes you continue to spew such venom about the SBC when you support a 4-win team that's reaping benefits from BSU like a family on welfare? Y'all are bottom-feeders and that's it. Whether or not TROY performed well against our OOC foes has no bearing on tech... We're still bowlin' and you're waitin' to cash a check off Boise St...freeloaders...

Kick rocks...03-nutkick

Boise is actually making Troy more money than your bowl game is.... freeloader.

How are you going to cherry-pick a dollar amount out of a BC$ slice from one team, then figure that "your" dollar figure split 9 ways is more than a bowl pay-out? The supposed pay-out for the GMAC is $700,000+ and you prophesied that BSU will contribute more than that to TROY? 01-wingedeagle

Nevermind. I was wrong. Boise is an at-large selection this year so the WAC keeps all $4.5 Million of their payout (Boise gets 3 Million and the rest of us split 1.5 Million).

TCU is the automatic qualifier from a Non-AQ league, so they get 9.6 Million. The MWC will get 6 Million and the rest of us (non-AQ conferences) will split the remaining 3.6 Million (based on how good our conference was compared to the others). So Troy will get about $150K from TCU this year. La Tech will get about 150K from Boise St and about 560K from TCU.

I am assuming Troy will lose money going to the bowl game because it is rare for a team to profit from a non-BCS bowl game. But that may be a bad assumption because we profited about 500K (for the WAC) in last year's Independence Bowl. So it can be done.
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(12-28-2009 05:14 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 05:10 PM)thetastygreek Wrote:  I'd love it if a month went by that I visited this board and didn't have to read a fan of some non-SBC team throwing out a bunch of Sagarin ratings crap.

Just one month.

I like that this board gets a wide variety of visitors, but if I wanted to read a non-SBC Sagarin forum, I'd seek one out.

The only other way to do it is to say, "My team would beat your team because we are better than you." Not very objective.

Sagarin is an unbiased moderator. It is a fair way to compare who you've played and what the scores were. One thing that is unfair is the kindness / class of the coaching staff. Nobody really runs up the scores like they could, so that throws the ratings off a bit.

Go back through the Sagarin archives and you'll see an undefeated Harvard a few years ago in the top 40 of all teams. They don't award scholarships and did not beat any scholarship teams.

Pardon me for not placing the highest trust in Sagarin.
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(12-29-2009 09:26 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 05:14 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 05:10 PM)thetastygreek Wrote:  I'd love it if a month went by that I visited this board and didn't have to read a fan of some non-SBC team throwing out a bunch of Sagarin ratings crap.

Just one month.

I like that this board gets a wide variety of visitors, but if I wanted to read a non-SBC Sagarin forum, I'd seek one out.

The only other way to do it is to say, "My team would beat your team because we are better than you." Not very objective.

Sagarin is an unbiased moderator. It is a fair way to compare who you've played and what the scores were. One thing that is unfair is the kindness / class of the coaching staff. Nobody really runs up the scores like they could, so that throws the ratings off a bit.

Go back through the Sagarin archives and you'll see an undefeated Harvard a few years ago in the top 40 of all teams. They don't award scholarships and did not beat any scholarship teams.

Pardon me for not placing the highest trust in Sagarin.

I'm sure it is not perfect. But I find it aligns with my thoughts more often than not.
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Sagarin is interesting and you can't regularly follow the human polls without scratching your head and wondering if some of the voters lack access to say SportsCenter or the internet. I just don't place a great deal of faith in any of them, especially when used to select the two teams to be placed in our one game playoff for the title.
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What happened to all the Troy smack talk? I thought y'all wanted to talk smack about Tech? Nothing? You can't just say there is no way to know because Sagarin is screwed up. Tell me why you think Troy would crush Tech.
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(12-29-2009 10:25 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  What happened to all the Troy smack talk? I thought y'all wanted to talk smack about Tech? Nothing? You can't just say there is no way to know because Sagarin is screwed up. Tell me why you think Troy would crush Tech.

I'll leave that to the Troy fans. The whole thing is on the childish side in my book.
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why do we keep talking and baiting these guys to come on here.....

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Sagarin=crap!
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(12-29-2009 08:35 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(12-29-2009 08:19 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(12-29-2009 07:23 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 11:13 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(12-28-2009 10:23 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  no my statements were not all conference based. Yes I stated that the utter weakness of the belt this year inflated the record of both MT and Troy only because everytime you played a decent team out of conference you got your butt kicked and quite badly. Now MT just beat its first decent team all year and did it impressively so I was proven wrong and they obviously improved but based on everything before the bowl, there was nothing to make anyone believe that MT or Troy were for real this year.

What makes you continue to spew such venom about the SBC when you support a 4-win team that's reaping benefits from BSU like a family on welfare? Y'all are bottom-feeders and that's it. Whether or not TROY performed well against our OOC foes has no bearing on tech... We're still bowlin' and you're waitin' to cash a check off Boise St...freeloaders...

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Boise is actually making Troy more money than your bowl game is.... freeloader.

How are you going to cherry-pick a dollar amount out of a BC$ slice from one team, then figure that "your" dollar figure split 9 ways is more than a bowl pay-out? The supposed pay-out for the GMAC is $700,000+ and you prophesied that BSU will contribute more than that to TROY? 01-wingedeagle

Nevermind. I was wrong. Boise is an at-large selection this year so the WAC keeps all $4.5 Million of their payout (Boise gets 3 Million and the rest of us split 1.5 Million).

TCU is the automatic qualifier from a Non-AQ league, so they get 9.6 Million. The MWC will get 6 Million and the rest of us (non-AQ conferences) will split the remaining 3.6 Million (based on how good our conference was compared to the others). So Troy will get about $150K from TCU this year. La Tech will get about 150K from Boise St and about 560K from TCU.

I am assuming Troy will lose money going to the bowl game because it is rare for a team to profit from a non-BCS bowl game. But that may be a bad assumption because we profited about 500K (for the WAC) in last year's Independence Bowl. So it can be done.

Sorry, but I believe your statement that Tech will get $150K from Boise State and $560K from TCU is wrong based upon your other argument that the overall shares of the money will be split amongst the conferences. Also, you have to account for the fact that the conference office takes a share of the money. So, after the conference office gets its share, you are looking at the teams splitting about $1.2M. Split between 8 teams (excluding Boise) will be ($1.2M/8) $150,000. Not bad, you were right in that instance, but now let's look at the amount you stated for TCU. Using your figures, Tech will not bring in about $500K from TCU. If the $3.6M from TCU is going to be split between the other non-AQ conferences, that means that the WAC, SBC, MAC and CUSA will be sharing in the $3.6M. The shares will be based upon where the conferences rank. If we say that the WAC is to get 30% of the money, that will be about $1.08M. Once the WAC office gets its cut, the 9 teams in the WAC will share in about $1M. That means that each team will get a little over about $111,000. Where are you getting this $500K figure? Even if we allocate 45% of the $3.6M to the WAC that would be $1.62M to the conference. After the conferece office takes its cut, that would be about $1.4M to be split amongst the teams, which means that Tech would get a little over about $155,000. Again, where are you getting the $500K figure?
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Some more fodder to discuss (if you want to):

Troy went IA in 2001.
Total Record: 60-47
vs SBC: 39-11
vs FCS: 10-0
vs AQ teams: 3-27
vs non-AQ/non-SBC teams: 8-9

vs SBC/FCS: 49-11
outside SBC/FCS: 11-36


La Tech went IA in 1989.
Total Record: 116-112-3
vs SBC: 28-7-1
vs FCS: 12-1
vs AQ teams: 9-52-2
vs non-AQ/non-SBC teams: 67-62

vs SBC/FCS: 40-8-1
outside SBC/FCS: 76-114-2
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(12-29-2009 11:07 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Again, where are you getting the $500K figure?

Graham Watson wrote a detailed article about it:

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...-bcs-money
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Let's talk about the SBC, we have openings for our OC and DC positions, so it should be a brand new ballgame next year. I'm hoping that our OC can have the same effect Tony Franklin had at MTSU. Go F I U!
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(12-29-2009 11:13 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(12-29-2009 11:07 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Again, where are you getting the $500K figure?

Graham Watson wrote a detailed article about it:

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...-bcs-money

Good article, thanks. You are double dipping though. Each WAC school (other than Boise) will get about $560K total between the two payouts. Not just for the Boise invite - that is the total. That is a good chunk of change. Also, only half of the 9% is split based on performance, the other half is evenly distributed to each conference as our "hush money" -

"Per an agreement struck four years ago, the five nonautomatic qualifying conferences -- Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt and WAC -- split a 9 percent share of the overall BCS revenue, which in the past couple years has come out to about $9.6 million.

That BCS revenue share is split in half and each of the five conferences is given an equal portion, which comes out to $964,800 per conference. The other half is split into 15 shares and handed out based on performance. The top non-AQ conference earns five shares, the second-best earns four, the third earns three, and so on."


There is no doubt that Boise getting in this year is helping the WAC and La Tech. But your math is a little fizzy when it comes to the Belt, our money is divided among the football playing members. Were you dividing among the basketball playing members?

It really doesn't matter - I just think that people put way too much emphasis on the BCS money. Whether a school comes out of it with $146K (about how much NT got last year, I was told - keep in mind that WKY was not a member yet and we finsihed ahead of the MAC).. or $500K for the Techsters. While there is a difference in that figure of over $300K... that is not a lot of money. At least it isn't to North Texas. We will take it! I mean, we aren't going to turn it down! But that doesn't make or break our season in any way. We have a $15 million dollar athletic budget at NT now... and next year it will go up to $25 million a year when the new student athletic fee kicks in. That difference, whatever it is - will be inconsequential.

And Boise is going to come out this nicely - they will get $3 million for the at large bid. The Fiesta Bowl requires them to spend about $2 million of it, lol, but they should profit a cool million from the game (plus their conference shares) which means that Boise will make about $1.5 million from this whole ordeal. That is a nice chunk of change and Boise will be able to raise the salary of their coach once again to keep him in Boise.
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Stebo,

I thought you and Arkstfan may enjoy this information.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/b3bf...1ad6fc8b25
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Think I don't have that bookmarked?
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Nice article on BCS finance
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/1412/story/836695.html

Boise gets a straight $3 million of which they expect to spend at least $1.5 million on bowl expenses.
They will then get about $357,000 as the same share all WAC schools get.
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not spewing venom about the belt just pointing out what is even obvious to you guys. I thought the belt would have a banner year but most of the teams were quite worse than usual and it inflated the records of the top two. There was way more parity in the Wac then in the Belt. the belt had two good teams and all really bad ones. And no ULL and ULM at the end of the year were not playing good football. ULL was a really good team last year that got hit by the injury bug, alot like we were this year. This year ULL got to 6 wins on the lack of any good conference competitition. Same record but not the same talent levels. It is you guys that want to start this thread about how the belt is better than the wac because of one good win by MT. but the reality is that the belt was just really really bad this year.
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