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(11-19-2009 01:17 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Oh, so you can't work @ ETSU and be a fan? Didn't know those two things are mutually exclusive. So if you somehow became an employee for the Steelers you would forsake your fan-dom for the Steelers? If so, interesting.

I'm an 'ETSU type'? What does that mean? Also, what does 'seminar poster' mean? You're so complex, I just don't get these message board etiquette thingys.

When I was covering the Steelers, I most CERTAINLY was not a "fan."

You honestly think I referred to the team as "we" in my articles or made excuses for them?

When I covered the Bucs, I also was not a "fan," even though I gave perhaps the most exhaustive coverage of any media outlet covering the Bucs on my radio station.

Now, did that mean that I went on my own dime and time to games? Did that mean I had a great relationship with Ed DeChellis and Paul Hamilton? Did that mean it inspired me to have the passion to make 10,000 posts on here?

Yes.

But what you seem to want me to say is "The Bucs are on a nine game losing streak, but, heckaroo, we just like watching them play!"

Sadly, by the professional standards in the local broadcast media, the station I worked for would have been happier for me to say that then the fact I was the first media member to interview Paul Hamilton when he was hired or that I'd developed trust with DeChellis.
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Newsflash: I'm not in the media. I have no such responsibility. I can and will root for the team.

I don't WANT you to say anything, believe me. But you're a bit on the negative side (that's the understatement of the year -- remember your thread: NEGATIVITY?), and there's plenty on here that would agree w/ me there.

The local media is not very good when it comes to the Bucs; that we can agree on. We can also agree, at least in principle, that we would both like the Bucs to get bigger & better in terms of their athletic program. I think we do that through support; you think through other means, which includes boycotting games & events, etc. I'm sure you'll tell me you don't feel that we agree on anything, that's your M.O., and that's fine if you have to be that childish about it. I would expect nothing less.

Gold: You seem to want to get very personal on here and I have no interest in that. This is a board for discussing Buc athletics, or so I thought, not who you are, who I am, or what my or your supposed agenda is.
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Go,
If you're an employee, which based on the tone of the majority of your posts on here I would suspect you are, either that or you're planted firmly in Barbie's rectal cavity, shouldn't you have better things to do during office hours than post on this messageboard? Look, I don't mind people in the dept. posting, I think they should post on here, it's great for the lines of communication to be open in a forum such as this, but identify yourself as an athletic dept. employee. You don't have to give your name, just say, I work in the dept. or am planted firmly in Barbie's elephant sized ass. Plus, if you're a coach or a player, I can guarantee you that you have better things to do than to be on here reading this board. If you're a coach (outside of golf, tennis, and track) then you probably should worry about posting a winning season more so than reading what's being said here. Same goes for the athletes, just tack on making the Dean's List on top of that.
And yes Pitt, we're agreeing too much again on things. Maybe you can fired again or banned or participate in another Howard Dean screamoff?
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It takes an employee of the university to think the way you do Go. Don't you get it? You have bought into the propoganda and don't even know it.

It just proves the point that 90% of the people that come on here and tell all the football supporters and ASUN haters that we are bad fans, work for East Tennessee State University.
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Lover - Thanks for telling what I SHOULD be doing. I don't spend much if any time doing this. I'm not even in the athletic dept.

Fan 1: Sure. Because I root for the team(s), I have bought into the 'propoganda.'
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Were you one of the professors that was telling your students to vote against football returning?
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For the record, no. I encouraged them to vote, but I didn't tell them which way to vote.

In my opinion, it was between them & the admin. Faculty had no role or stake in it whatsoever. I didn't hear about faculty campaigning against it until after the vote took place.
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I agree with you Go. Students should have been encouraged to vote. Campaigning against it with misinformation is something that should have gotten some folks in trouble.
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So then you work for ETSU within another department? Then just say it, I'm a university employee. Of course I'm sure that John Q. Taxpayer would just love to know that university employees are spending their days on a messageboard over say, DOING THEIR JOB?
Now, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with supporting the other teams, in fact I call for the heads of all these damn coaches who aren't having winning seasons at ETSU and should be.
And yes, you've drank from the unholy chalice of ETSU warm diet coke and ate of the stale cookies and lukewarm pizza.

(11-20-2009 01:33 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Lover - Thanks for telling what I SHOULD be doing. I don't spend much if any time doing this. I'm not even in the athletic dept.

Fan 1: Sure. Because I root for the team(s), I have bought into the 'propoganda.'
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(11-19-2009 04:26 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Newsflash: I'm not in the media. I have no such responsibility. I can and will root for the team.

I don't WANT you to say anything, believe me. But you're a bit on the negative side (that's the understatement of the year -- remember your thread: NEGATIVITY?), and there's plenty on here that would agree w/ me there.

The local media is not very good when it comes to the Bucs; that we can agree on. We can also agree, at least in principle, that we would both like the Bucs to get bigger & better in terms of their athletic program. I think we do that through support; you think through other means, which includes boycotting games & events, etc. I'm sure you'll tell me you don't feel that we agree on anything, that's your M.O., and that's fine if you have to be that childish about it. I would expect nothing less.

Gold: You seem to want to get very personal on here and I have no interest in that. This is a board for discussing Buc athletics, or so I thought, not who you are, who I am, or what my or your supposed agenda is.

What is so disapointing about your posts is that you obviously are connected with ETSU, and you've probably given us enough hints to find out who you are if we cared, and you keep getting it wrong.

NEGATIVITY was a post about the responses I was getting from people like you.

I disagree I'm on the negative side. I believe, in fact, I'm the biggest cockeyed optimist on the board.

I would submit posters such as YOU and the people like you who want us to go hog wild about 6-9-3 records or losses in general to major opponents are the negative ones. You are the people who believe what ETSU is doing right now is as good as it will get. You are the people whose standards are so low "you just want to go to the games" and have absolutely no faith in the program to improve beyond what they are now.

Myself and posters like me are the ones who see things differently. We see a day where ETSU athletics can be much bigger than they are now. As the only potential major sports entity for at least 100 miles in any direction, and the only one in a Top 100 market, I see the day where ETSU can be a true major sports entity.

I see the day where ETSU can join a larger conference- anywhere from the SoCon to C-USA. I see the day where people realize ETSU can put the area on the map. I see the day where ETSU can have a nationally ranked athletic programs. I see the day where a new arena brings to the area what Freedom Hall did in the 1970s- from North Carolina visiting here to major rock concerts showing up.

I see the day where ETSU can make the area more cosmopolitan. I see the day where ETSU supplants Tennessee or Virginia Tech as the team to root for here.

Forgive me if that means that for the betterment of the community, a new President and Athletic Director need to be employed.

This is another attempt by you to say something that isn't even the slightest bit true. It's one thing to be ignorant- "A program moves up to another conference based on its entire athletic programs," which is not even remotely true and I gave numerous examples proving that.

It's another thing to accuse me of things I didn't say. For instance, when you implied I was against a contract extension for Murry Bartow when I have repeatedly maintained a policy on here stating I don't believe any coach should be fired at ETSU as long as Mullins and Stanton are in charge.

And now this.

I hate to have to waste time responding to this garbage, but with perception being reality . . . .
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I agree w/ most of what you just said. We disagree on some points, but I agree on going to a multi-bid league, about better fan support, better basketball arena, and it's probably time for a new President since he's been here for 12 years or so.
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Then quit writing on this board that I am negative.

Or at the very least, suggest I have written things that I haven't.

For instance, dismissing ALL sports of the sports at ETSU.

For the record, when I was a sports talk show host here, I gave EQUAL BILLING to the Lady Bucs as well as the men's team. If the Lady Bucs had a game, I filed reports and actualities on them. When Larry James did the play-by-play of the women's team on WJTZ, I was his statistician. This dates to 1992 or so.

I have consistently written about the baseball team, going so far as to do a feature on a former player for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette during his tenure at ETSU. In Sports Talk, I consistently provided a baseball preview.

I could cite additional examples. I also once praised David Mullins for the GPA of his tennis team in a column that was lauded as one of the best pieces in the state by the Tennessee Sportswriters Association, for instance.

What I do know, however, is you are never going to get a fan base for the ancillary sports. You can push them all you want, and certainly ETSU has tried with soccer, but ultimately all you're doing is spending millions so parents and girlfriends and maybe Superfan can watch them.

Even when I was a sportswriter in Wheeling, and dare I say we gave soccer equal coverage to football (a couple of big supporters on the staff), you would have much larger crowds for high school football and Nailers hockey.

The way the ancillary sports CAN develop a fan base is through a trickle down effect.

Essentially, this is how it works at Tennessee. The football program is popular but only provides 12 or so dates to follow them, so if you want to follow the Vols for the other 353 days (or am I being negative by not saying 354 for leap year?) you have to find another sport to follow- be it women's hoops or softball or whatever.

Having a nationally ranked basketball program will do that. Trust me, I was at an ETSU baseball game against Western Carolina in 1987 where I was the only person in the stands. This was before the NCAA basketball runs (and only a few years after ETSU had been a Top 10 baseball program). This was when ETSU had to drop rifle. Had ETSU dropped football then, say after the 0-10-1 season in 1985, it is quite conceivable the basketball team's success would never have happened.

After the NCAA runs, the Lady Bucs and ETSU baseball were broadcast on the radio BECAUSE THE RADIO STATIONS (often, but not always, led by Frank Santore)- not the athletic department- WANTED TO CAPITALIZE ON ETSU FAN INTEREST!!!!!

For you to say that I do not care about all the sports at ETSU is simply not accurate. I often write about them on here, in fact.

The fact is I know how the game works- and by that I mean the "game" of all of the dozen and a half or so sports at ETSU- better than most people in the administration currently do.

But I've learned for a decade people will misrepresent what I say on this board and attack me personally, both here and in private.

But, then again, nobody ever said Johnson City, Tennessee was the intellectual capital of the world.
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(11-18-2009 08:17 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Hey doom and gloom for all. MTSU is GETTING IT DONE, WHY ISN'T MEMPHIS and why can't ETSU? Memphis has more resources, bigger city, more exposure, better selection of athletes in West Tennessee than in the middle/east end of the state. Memphis isn't winning in football because of inferior facilities and a moron A.D.
As for basketball in C-USA, there's talk that Tulsa and Houston both are going to give the Tigers a run this year in conference play.
ETSU can easily get the support to be successful at the FCS level in football in my time. There are just too many schools out there getting it done with smaller enrollments, smaller towns, and too much competition. Look at Troy and UAB. They compete against Alabama and Auburn for fans, support, and money, yet they are getting it done.
That garbage, negative "aww we can't do that and we'll never do this" downtrodden HORSE SH!t MENTALITY is a joke! Do you work for Stanton or Dave Mullins?
Oh and by the way, what will it sacrifice? A mid pack finish in men's communist kickball? a 9-16 record in volleyball? How about ANOTHER LOSING SEASON in women's communist kickball? What's it really going to affect? We're only good in golf, tennis and basketball. The other programs are complete crap!


(11-18-2009 06:40 PM)NorthEastTennesseeTiger Wrote:  Conference USA is more of a football conference, IMHO. Basketball for the most part sucks. ETSU didn't have the facilities in any sport to get into conference usa.

ETSU will never, in my lifetime, have enough support for football to be even mediocre. Memphis' athletic budget is around 30 million and they aren't getting it done in football.

If ETSU were to reinstate football, the school may get back into a conference like the SoCon, but it will doom the school to failure in everything else.

MTSU getting it done? Sort of I guess, in football. They did whip Memphis, but that isn't saying much. How much money does their football program lose? I know that the state has thrown buckets of money into that school for like the last 15 years. They are essentially located in a MSA of over 1 million, what are their attendance numbers for football and basketball? Football maybe decent, but can't be too large, the stadium isn't that big. I don't remember anything out of them in any other sport.

Basketball in CUSA sucks, you are correct that this year Memphis may lose a conference basketball game (or two), but they only have 7-8 scholarship players, not really a valid test. Memphis hasn't lost a conference game for several years. I actually made the statement the last couple of years, that they should have got the team liquored up before the CUSA games so that they would be interesting.

I'm not familiar with Troy, I know some people who went to school there and that their football program is talked about in a positive way. I'm pretty familiar with UAB, and UAB isn't getting it done. Memphis people make fun of UAB's fan support. They have had some basketball sucess but that is all. UAB has a pretty good academic reputation, but that is for another board I guess.

It comes down to money. If you don't have a large fan base in basketball (sometimes football) to create money then you have to have one or more suggar daddys to fund football.

Show me the money! In other words whose your daddy?
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You know, Northeast, for all the talk about being an "embarassment" and such, I need to tell you something about Memphis and ETSU.

I told you about listening to a talk show here in Pittsburgh the other day where they were discussing Memphis football. Yesterday, I heard a report on ESPN Radio about who the front runner would be for the Memphis head coaching job.

This is the sort of exposure that is worth the money.

Compare this to when ETSU would play here. The sportscasters would make for of ETSU's name and treat them with no respect whatsoever.

Memphis football has more respect than the ETSU athletic department does. Whatever the financial cost is, it's worth it.

And there is a benefit that team provides the other non-revenue sports, who don't make any money, than football. Although it would be against NCAA rules, by your criteria in theory Memphis would be much better off cutting all sports except men's basketball.
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It comes down to money. If you don't have a large fan base in basketball (sometimes football) to create money then you have to have one or more suggar daddys to fund football.

Show me the money! In other words whose your daddy?
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I don't care how many fans you have coming to the games, if you don't have the financial support from as you call them sugar daddy's you'll never have any kind of decent athletic department, let alone football program. College athletic departments as a whole run on money donated by boosters. It sure isn't the ave of 2059 people per game that attended Tusculum home games this year that paid for their facilities alone.
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In order to raise money for football at ETSU the administration is going to have to ASK for it. They have consistently blocked all attempts at raising money for football. The President could start an active campaign to bring in money and to get the necessary start up funds to field an FCS level team. Then it would take competent marketing and managing to sustain the program but it can be done and is being done by every other state university in the state of Tennessee.
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81- Out of the mouths of babes!
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(11-22-2009 10:28 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  You know, Northeast, for all the talk about being an "embarassment" and such, I need to tell you something about Memphis and ETSU.

I told you about listening to a talk show here in Pittsburgh the other day where they were discussing Memphis football. Yesterday, I heard a report on ESPN Radio about who the front runner would be for the Memphis head coaching job.

This is the sort of exposure that is worth the money.

Compare this to when ETSU would play here. The sportscasters would make for of ETSU's name and treat them with no respect whatsoever.

Memphis football has more respect than the ETSU athletic department does. Whatever the financial cost is, it's worth it.

And there is a benefit that team provides the other non-revenue sports, who don't make any money, than football. Although it would be against NCAA rules, by your criteria in theory Memphis would be much better off cutting all sports except men's basketball.

Naw, right now basketball makes enough to fund football and pretty much everything else.

Talked to a friend of mine who has Memphis Basketball season tickets. She said that during the meeting where you pick your seats for basketball, they came out and said that the reason for the price donation structure for basketball was to fund football.
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(11-22-2009 02:33 PM)Just A Fan Wrote:  
Quote:It comes down to money. If you don't have a large fan base in basketball (sometimes football) to create money then you have to have one or more suggar daddys to fund football.

Show me the money! In other words whose your daddy?
I don't care how many fans you have coming to the games, if you don't have the financial support from as you call them sugar daddy's you'll never have any kind of decent athletic department, let alone football program. College athletic departments as a whole run on money donated by boosters. It sure isn't the ave of 2059 people per game that attended Tusculum home games this year that paid for their facilities alone.

I agree for the most part, but if ETSU basketball had a real arena and were drawing say 7K a game. It may be able to fund everything but football?

Hate to bring up Memphis, but the current savior of Memphis football is susposed to be uncle Fred (Fed EX). Granted he is beyond rich, but the guy isn't even an alumni? Maybe he will? Who knows.

On a side note one of my classmates from when I went to school in Memphis has donated over a half million to basketball along with another half million to the school for academic programs. I'm pretty sure he's doing better than I. 03-lmfao
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(11-22-2009 10:28 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  You know, Northeast, for all the talk about being an "embarassment" and such, I need to tell you something about Memphis and ETSU.

I told you about listening to a talk show here in Pittsburgh the other day where they were discussing Memphis football. Yesterday, I heard a report on ESPN Radio about who the front runner would be for the Memphis head coaching job.

This is the sort of exposure that is worth the money.

Compare this to when ETSU would play here. The sportscasters would make for of ETSU's name and treat them with no respect whatsoever.

Memphis football has more respect than the ETSU athletic department does. Whatever the financial cost is, it's worth it.

And there is a benefit that team provides the other non-revenue sports, who don't make any money, than football. Although it would be against NCAA rules, by your criteria in theory Memphis would be much better off cutting all sports except men's basketball.

You know not all publicity is positive, I've seen Paris' and Brittany's cash and prizes and wasnt' wanting to see them I might add.

Memphis football is the only major football in Memphis. If Memphis had a pro football team instead of pro basketball, U of M football would have attendance like ETSU football had. For football outside of HS, you really don't have any other options, unless you want to drive to Ole Miss. So they get 30K for games give or take.

The only reason the Memphis football story made the news is because of West's meltdown and the team plays in a major metro area.
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