Freedom is not punishing gay men and women for their lifestyle.
Freedom is not punishing people who don't agree with the gay lifestyle

How do you reconcile the above and the mulititude of other contradictory beliefs in a free society?

What is Tyranny?

(11-04-2009 10:17 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Freedom is not punishing gay men and women for their lifestyle.
Freedom is not punishing people who don't agree with the gay lifestyle

How do you reconcile the above and the mulititude of other contradictory beliefs in a free society?

I think that's GGniner's point. We've allowed freedom to be ill-defined, and open to too many contradictions.

In a free society, people are free to believe God loves gays or God hates gays. One side giving special protections or considerations to gays ends the freedom formerly bestowed on said society.

(11-04-2009 10:17 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Freedom is not punishing gay men and women for their lifestyle.
Freedom is not punishing people who don't agree with the gay lifestyle

How do you reconcile the above and the mulititude of other contradictory beliefs in a free society?

By What Standard do we Judge?

Point is in a Pluralistic Society, competing Humanistic views of "Freedom" will not lead to a truly Free Society. One sides Humanistic Values will be imposed on others, and has history has showed these values change arbitrarly over time, since there is no Fixed Humanistic Standard.

If a society doesn't understand on where true Liberty comes from(as the Founders did, acknowledging the Creation Story in Declaration), we will never truly be free and in fact will enslave ourselves as video above notes towards the end, while eroding our historical Liberty based foundations.

To many in this country, what Obama is doing to the economy is "Freedom".

The Iranian Mullah's frame their arguments around "Liberty"

(11-04-2009 10:17 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Freedom is not punishing gay men and women for their lifestyle.
Freedom is not punishing people who don't agree with the gay lifestyle

How do you reconcile the above and the mulititude of other contradictory beliefs in a free society?

I don't think those beliefs are contradictory.

Where do you have to punish people who don't agree wilth the lifestyle in order not to punish those who do?

If people feel "punished" because somewhere across town Bruce is having sex with his boyfriend Stephen, I'm sorry, but the person feeling "punished" is being too sensitive. Being punished would be being forced to have gay sex yourself. Or being forced to allow Bruce and Stephen to do their thing in your living room. We are a long way from that.

I agree that some things go too far. I think there are some places (California, for example) where some of the stuff happening in schoolrooms is going way too far, particularly considering the ages of the kids. I would consider those things punishing people who don't agree with the lifestyle. But I wouldn't consider stopping them to be punishing people who do pursue that lifestyle.

I really think there is a result where neither side is acutally punished, and I would favor seeking that out and adopting it. There are some pretty wretched excesses on both sides, but we can have a practical solution without any of those.

http://reason.com/archives/2007/09/28/hi...-roosevelt

(11-04-2009 01:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Where do you have to punish people who don't agree wilth the lifestyle

Examples could include the legal ramifications of openly not renting to a gay couple. And in some situations in the above, people's religious beliefs would be compromised. Where is the freedom to not rent to a gay couple? I believe examples are myriad.

Freedom is contradictory on so many levels it makes one's head hurt. I have reconciled any concern about freedom with a few simple beliefs - if it doesn't hurt kids or animals and is within the realm of law, go for it!

(11-04-2009 10:33 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  What is Tyranny?

Thats easy. What we lived under for 8 years under Bush.

(11-04-2009 10:51 AM)Paul M Wrote:  In a free society, people are free to believe God loves gays or God hates gays. One side giving special protections or considerations to gays ends the freedom formerly bestowed on said society.

I know what you mean. I am soooo pissed that I am not allowed to own slaves. It sucks that one side gave blacks special protections that "were formerly bestowed on said socoiety". Idiot.

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(11-04-2009 01:47 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 10:33 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  What is Tyranny?

Thats easy. What we lived under for 8 years under Bush.

Yeah, it was so bad you spent the last 8 years posting your tripe about that tyrannical dictatorship on a message board.....and are still around to talk about it.


You are clearly delusional. They do make medicine for that. Comes in 36, 38, 40, 42, and 44 long. I'm sure they make smaller and larger sizes.

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(11-04-2009 01:54 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  The contents of this message is hidden because RobertN is on your ignore list.
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Great idea!

(11-04-2009 01:18 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://reason.com/archives/2007/09/28/hi...-roosevelt

ok why have i never learned this in my 18 years of school? That was a fascinating read. Why do I even pay all this money to go to college if i'm not going to learn important things?

thanks for posting it

(11-04-2009 08:36 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 01:54 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  The contents of this message is hidden because RobertN is on your ignore list.
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Great idea!

GrayBeard and others are so affraid of the truth that they have to put me on ignore. Enjoy your sheltered lives.