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I'll play Devil's Advocate as I tend to. Maybe the coaching staff is trying to be nice and allow those that aren't expected to play the opportunity to leave campus. The season has been going on for a few months (since the start of preseason camp) and they probably figure that it would be nice break for some of the kids to go home and see the families and friends back home (like most of the normal population is doing) during Fall Break knowing how long the school year can be (especially for the freshmen) and this is one of the few times they might be able to get away for an entire weekend. If the coaching staff gave the kids the opportunity to leave or stay and make their own decision if they weren't on the designated list then I think Coach Steele and staff are treating the team as individual thinking men and giving them a choice. I wouldn't think it would be mandated either way except for the travel list. Whether they leave or not is up to the individual. The fact it will save a little coin probably makes upper administration happy as well I'm sure.

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(10-06-2009 09:11 AM)camels7778 Wrote:  I'll play Devil's Advocate as I tend to. Maybe the coaching staff is trying to be nice and allow those that aren't expected to play the opportunity to leave campus. The season has been going on for a few months (since the start of preseason camp) and they probably figure that it would be nice break for some of the kids to go home and see the families and friends back home (like most of the normal population is doing) during Fall Break knowing how long the school year can be (especially for the freshmen) and this is one of the few times they might be able to get away for an entire weekend. If the coaching staff gave the kids the opportunity to leave or stay and make their own decision if they weren't on the designated list then I think Coach Steele and staff are treating the team as individual thinking men and giving them a choice. I wouldn't think it would be mandated either way except for the travel list. Whether they leave or not is up to the individual. The fact it will save a little coin probably makes upper administration happy as well I'm sure.

That's a decent observation and I can respect that opinion. However, the non-travel guys have been around for the past 3 weekends, and have had an opportunity to go see family/friends during that time. My opinion is if there is a home game and you are really PART OF THE TEAM, then you are there for the game.

Again if it is up the individual if they want to stay and be part of the team or not then I don't fault the coaching staff. Maybe it speaks to a larger problem if they don't want to stay but I still can't fault the coaching staff for giving options and letting the players choose. The non-travelers might have been able to go home the last three weekends I guess but they do still have workouts and study tables I think even when the rest of the team is on the road. I could be wrong but it would make sense if they do or maybe some couldn't get home or it wouldn't make sense to go home for just a day since they live a long distance away. I think the school is done after Thursday for a few days so this would give the players an extended break if they wish to take it like the rest of the school. I guess not having had a son play for the team I am willing to cut more slack and I'm not already against these ideas automatically since this coaching staff brought it up.

(10-05-2009 07:22 PM)newcampbellfan Wrote:  

(10-05-2009 04:51 PM)camels7778 Wrote:  APR does not affect non-scholarship programs I believe. It only affect Division I programs where athletic scholarships are handed out. I could be wrong but that is the way I read the statement about the APR.

Great if you and your son are going to stick it out. Maybe you guys can outlast the coaching regime that you seem to dislike for understandable reasons. It is never good to go through many people but it is expected with a young program that recruits such large numbers annually. In four or five years, if the current regime is here, I think the number of people that drop will be much less since they will finally be getting in the exact people and type of athletes that they want. In fact I anticipate that many of the people right now that have been recruited or are playing a lot will be recruited over starting next year since that will be nearing the end of the first four year cycle. No facts to back it up. I just anticipate this will happen as the programs get older and starts to settle in what the current regime wants it to be.

I am not looking backward. I was just using last year as reference point and comparing it what I have seen and read about this year. Your reference point is limited to this year's team. Others on the board (Orange Camel, Camel76, etc) have at least seen previous years in person. They may not agree with me but the fact that have at least seen last year in person gives them a wider comparison range unlike you who probably didn't even know about Campbell until about this point last year when your son started to field academic scholarship offers from other institutions or athletic scholarships from Division II or Division III programs.

Just a point of clarification. Division III does not provide athletic scholarships.

Thanks for the clarification. I was just pointing out that I'm sure your son had other options at this point last year when the some of the others (like me) on the board were following Campbell's football team.

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I have found fault with the coaching staff at times in past but I also don't have a vendetta against whatever they do. I agree they should try to make everyone feel like they are all part of the team but I also think that it is college and at some point the players have to make choices for themselves and if going home for Fall Break is what they want if they aren't going to play or aren't on the travel list then so be it. The coaching staff can be blamed for many things that are wrong and have gone wrong with the team but allowing the players freedom to choose what they want to do for the rest of the week is not one of them. If the players so want to stay or be part of the team than stay and if not then go home and enjoy the time away. Hopefully it makes them better students or more focused on other interests for the rest of the school year. That is the great thing about all the rights you fought for are. The opportunity to choose. It is rare that you would be given a choice playing a sport in college to stay or go during a season. Those players that are given a choice should be allowed to make their own minds up. Either way I am good with the choice that they make.

xxxxxxx. Now I understand why you would be upset with them xxxxx but this is not one of them in my opinion. I am trying to still be positive about football at Campbell. It is still a big deal to me to finally have football here. I would like them to win since it reflects well on the school but if it takes a while to win I'll deal and stop trying to find fault with everything the coaching staff does every single day

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xxxxxx I'm not making any of this stuff up. It happened. Now i have shared some real situations that really happened, if you care to find them acceptable so be it. A new Campbell football parent comes on here and basically confirms some of the same things going on that are affecting the team but again you find it acceptable. Well as a Campbell football alum I don't.Success at all cost is not acceptable to me. You can spin it any way you want to but any measure of dividing this team other than obviously playing and travelling is totally unacceptable. xxxxx
Basically 3-4 people post on this board, you, me, now newcampbellfan, and the moderator OrangeCamel so this and what we post is really going to make a tinkers damn isn't it. Now I'm going to cease my response to your post and we'll just have to agree to disagree.In fact I'm going to delete all of my post on this thread simply because of respect to Newcampbellfan. I don't want to contribute any further to what he's already finding out.
NewCampbellfan, I'll just say, I hear you partner, i FEEL YOUR PAIN. I wouldn't mind sitting down and talking to you over a CU game. We'll see. But I'm going to refuse to contribute any further to these boards simply because it not going to contribute to any useful purpose. Sooner or later the athletic department will get wise to whats going on. I'm serious when I say they should conduct a independent audit to every athlete who paid his way to CU and left to find out why. Otherwise CU doesn't care and if thats the case well that's the case
camels7778 xxxxx I'll close with this one statement. Until there is either a change in the philosophy of the current coaching staff or there is a change in the coaching staff itself, winning football games on a consistent or regular basis will never occur at CU.

This game makes two consecutive FCS road games where CU had a chance to tie or go ahead deep in the 3rd quarter. Those same opponents also gave the higher-echelon PFL teams a close game (Davidson lost by 6 at JU, Marist lost by 7 at USD). There's still a gap between us and the rest of the PFL, but that gap is getting smaller.

Sounds like a good crowd made it to New York last week.

It's about time for a HOME GAME!!

Camel76, you just seem to blame every problem or even potential situations on the coaching staff (namely Coach Steele) xxxxx. I understand you were sharing your story with a current parent with similar problem. I simply told you venting on a message board will get you nowhere and to do something else if it still upset you so much xxxxx. xxxx. Sometimes confronting the source of the problem will help alleviate the problem and believe me you have problems and issues with this coaching staff.

I know this team and program has problems and will continue to have problems as it grows and develops xxxxx They are trying to do something positive xxxx.

I will get off my soap box. I hope you come back. I have enjoyed our discussions xxxxxx. I think you secretly enjoy our verbal debates xxxxx.

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