For the life of me, I can't understand why any UC football fan would complain about the comparisons to The Other State University. I think it's great and even tho I'll get blasted for saying it, I hope the comparisons continue and get louder and louder. I want every member of the Bearcats football squad -- coaches, players, managers and cheerleaders -- to truly believe that we are as good as tO$U everytime we step on the field. If we don't believe that, then honestly it speaks volumes about our UC pride (or lack thereof).

Why are we tired of constant rehashing of this comparison but we never seem to tire of bashing the admin or the fans who don't come to games or the media that talks up teams just because of their name etc etc? If I have to read something time and time again, I want it to be something positive about MY university, it's players, it's results. I'm not scared of the comparisons, I welcome them. Let our friends in Columbus worry about if UC is catching them or has caught them. I want my team to believe we're there. Let the WVa or Pitt teams complain that we are lucky or whatever... as long as we continue to win it won't matter -- they'll come around.

Do you think Tom Brady complains about being compared to the top QBs in NFL history? How about Kobe and comparisons to MJ or Oscar? Do you think Albert Pujols tires of comparisons to baseball greats now and from the past? I don't think so. Do you think the Bengals or Browns or even my beloved Redskins would complain about being compared to the Steeler or Patriot teams that dominated eras of NFL football? Not if the comparisons were even remotely feasible. Who is the one usually complaining... the one being compared to... Oscar doesn't like MJ comparisons, Hank Aaron didn't like Barry, Babe Ruth fans didn't like Maris or McGwire etc. etc. Let the world be uncomfortable with UC... I love it!!

To be included in those discussions/debates/comparisons is a sign that you are putting something special together, that you are accomplishing either the unexpected or that which only a very few are able to attain even thought everyone wants to and tries to. That's what BK and his Bearcat vision has done... he's vaulted a Bearcat football team and an entire University into conversations none of us truly believed we'd see this soon in his tenure. Kudos and many thanks to BK and the great kids at Nippert for accomplishing so much to date and best of luck on continuing your journey to bring a NC to Cincinnati!

I used to say the same thing... "It's not time yet" and then I asked myself, "If we're not now, then when?". How recently was a team like FL or "The U" or Va Tech or Ok St or Cal not considered a national power. Now it's a given. Bet you don't hear their fan bases complaining about comparisons so why should we? We don't owe anyone an apology nor should we bow down to tO$U or anyone else. If we want to be the best then we need to be able to withstand comparisons to the best and still be standing afterward. My personal plea is to let the comparisons to The Other State University continue but also compare the Bearcats to Penn St and Alabama and Florida and USC and the rest.

We are the Bearcats!!! We may be a flash in the pan or we may be around forever but we should not back away from any comparison.

That's just my opinion, let the bashing begin

i respect your opinion, cal, but disagree...

i think the comparisons come off as if uc has the little brother mentality - think xu basketball

why compare to osu, specifically? let's compare to florida, texas, and usc (to name a few) if we're going to do comparisons

and in regards to players being compared to other great players (brady, kobe, etc) - all of those comparisons are to players who no longer lace them up. osu still plays/recruits against us (more or less)

The recent articles were not driven by comparing UC - OSU. What drove the articles was the Pead quote mentioning that UC would beat OSU.
A reporter in Oregon did ask Mike Riley if UC was the best team in Ohio prior to the game last Saturday also.

The only way to make comparisons
is in head to head (2012) (2014) or by playing the same teams in/ Out of Conference.. Since UC is in the BE, and their OoC games don't exactally match tosu, this discussion is moot.

Where there is room, we both play Illinois this year and you better believe buckeyeplanet.com and their cast of BLOWHards will be watching

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/colle...1-5-a.html


http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/colle...009-a.html


Still in the cards could be an UC/tosu BCS Bowl

(09-23-2009 12:40 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  The only way to make comparisons
is in head to head (2012) (2014) or by playing the same teams in/ Out of Conference.. Since UC is in the BE, and their OoC games don't exactally match tosu, this discussion is moot.

Where there is room, we both play Illinois this year and you better believe buckeyeplanet.com and their cast of BLOWHards will be watching

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/colle...1-5-a.html


http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/colle...009-a.html


Still in the cards could be an UC/tosu BCS Bowl

90% of those posters keep blaming UC fans. Last time I checked we don't write stories for Enquirer, host radio shows (Lance) etc.

(09-23-2009 10:28 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  i respect your opinion, cal, but disagree...

i think the comparisons come off as if uc has the little brother mentality - think xu basketball

why compare to osu, specifically? let's compare to florida, texas, and usc (to name a few) if we're going to do comparisons

and in regards to players being compared to other great players (brady, kobe, etc) - all of those comparisons are to players who no longer lace them up. osu still plays/recruits against us (more or less)

JP I would agree with you if UC were the ones doing the comparisons... the fact is we're not. OSU had a rough start this year and UC jumped out to a fantastic start... as a result, the media seeking to create interest where none existed began to compare the two schools. Is it a legit comparison? Maybe so, maybe not - but pardon me for not embracing the fact that we are being noticed...FINALLY!

OSU will be fine this year, I'm pretty sure. Hopefully so will UC. But if comparing UC to OSU raises our national profile or gains us even one recruit that wasn't considering UC and who ultimately contributes to our success in the future I say compare away.

UC obviously does not have the history of The Other State University, doesn't have the resources, deep pockets or national name recognition so if we have to market ourselves via comparison to OSU, USC, PSU, FL or whomever for now then I welcome it. The difference between what's happening for UC vs XU is that UC people aren't the ones doing the comparison -- the perception shapers out there (the media, other coaches, fans even) are the ones taking notice and asking the questions. UC is just doing it's part by answering... CONFIDENTLY and LOUDLY. Just like we should IMO

(09-23-2009 10:28 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  i respect your opinion, cal, but disagree...

i think the comparisons come off as if uc has the little brother mentality - think xu basketball

why compare to osu, specifically? let's compare to florida, texas, and usc (to name a few) if we're going to do comparisons

and in regards to players being compared to other great players (brady, kobe, etc) - all of those comparisons are to players who no longer lace them up. osu still plays/recruits against us (more or less)

UC little brother mentality? The comparisons are driven by the media and Oregon State. Last time I checked Paul Daugherty or Lance were not UC fans. The Enquirer, which is printing this headline are not UC supporters. Oregon States player and coach mentioned they thought UC was the best in Ohio. So, UC fans are not driving this sentiment. Sticking up for UC due to constant bashing from, "the team up north's," fans; yes. Nothing wrong with sticking up for your program. Wierd that too many in the Cincinnati area are worried and mad about a successful UC Football Program.

just so everyone's on the same page: i would argue the spike in osu/uc comparisons initially originated before the oregon state game when their head coach was asked if the beavers were playing the best team in ohio and he replied with: “We might be….they’re a very good football team, a very good program.” he didn't exactly draw a comparison - basically just dodged the question.

and then a cincinnati football player (pead), when talking about who would win between uc and ohio state said: "Hey, if we ever have to strap it on with them, we're going to win."

now the comparison train is picking up...

next thing you know, the cincinnati media (in my opinion, at least) seemed to take it and run with it... doc, lance, mo, the enquirer, the dayton daily news, cincinnati based sports forums, etc (as well as some national outlets) started comparing uc/osu... whether or not they are true fans or enemies of the uc program is irrelevant - they work in cincinnati and represent (to a degree) the city of cincinnati. the average outsider sees this and imo it gives off the vibe as if uc has some complex in regards to osu and is begging to be compared to the mighty buckeyes

i couldn't care less whether we're compared to osu, bsu, qsu, or zsu... i wanna talk about this uc team and how they stand on their own - maybe the time spent comparing uc and the other state university could be spent talking about the incredible and often moving stories of gilyard, jones, stewart, or pike (to name a few) and less on how uc and its fans think their football team is better than ohio state's

and i dont want this to come off as an attack or criticism of any poster... i appreciate the debate and opinions

(09-23-2009 01:31 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-23-2009 12:40 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  The only way to make comparisons
is in head to head (2012) (2014) or by playing the same teams in/ Out of Conference.. Since UC is in the BE, and their OoC games don't exactally match tosu, this discussion is moot.

Where there is room, we both play Illinois this year and you better believe buckeyeplanet.com and their cast of BLOWHards will be watching

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/colle...1-5-a.html


http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/colle...009-a.html

Still in the cards could be an UC/tosu BCS Bowl

90% of those posters keep blaming UC fans. Last time I checked we don't write stories for Enquirer, host radio shows (Lance) etc.

And the jealous Xavier boys are chiming in
http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/showth...hp?t=11614

I don't really get why people don't get the comparisons. O$U has been the gold standard of college football in this region for decades and UC and O$U are the only two BCS schools in the state... who else are they going to compare us to? UK, IU, OU, UofL??? O$U is the only other good team in a 300 mile radius. They could compare UC to Oklahoma or Texas...but that wouldn't draw much debating interest. It's just the way things are...If Houston continues to move up the polls, they'll ask...Who's better...Houston or Texas. If Tulsa were undefeated and ranked Top 15, they'd say...Who's better...Tulsa or Oklahoma.

xavier has the best Ohio team never to take the field since 1973. Of course they were the 1950 "Let me toss your" Salad Bowl Champs.

(09-23-2009 02:59 PM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  just so everyone's on the same page: i would argue the spike in osu/uc comparisons initially originated before the oregon state game when their head coach was asked if the beavers were playing the best team in ohio and he replied with: “We might be….they’re a very good football team, a very good program.” he didn't exactly draw a comparison - basically just dodged the question.

and then a cincinnati football player (pead), when talking about who would win between uc and ohio state said: "Hey, if we ever have to strap it on with them, we're going to win."

now the comparison train is picking up...

next thing you know, the cincinnati media (in my opinion, at least) seemed to take it and run with it... doc, lance, mo, the enquirer, the dayton daily news, cincinnati based sports forums, etc (as well as some national outlets) started comparing uc/osu... whether or not they are true fans or enemies of the uc program is irrelevant - they work in cincinnati and represent (to a degree) the city of cincinnati. the average outsider sees this and imo it gives off the vibe as if uc has some complex in regards to osu and is begging to be compared to the mighty buckeyes

i couldn't care less whether we're compared to osu, bsu, qsu, or zsu... i wanna talk about this uc team and how they stand on their own - maybe the time spent comparing uc and the other state university could be spent talking about the incredible and often moving stories of gilyard, jones, stewart, or pike (to name a few) and less on how uc and its fans think their football team is better than ohio state's

and i dont want this to come off as an attack or criticism of any poster... i appreciate the debate and opinions

Not trying to be difficult, but I heard the OrSU coach mention that UC might be the best team in OH. Then following the win I heard it on a late night ESPN college football wrap up show when one of the hosts in the closing segment put UC in his top 5 and said that UC was the better team in OH and finally I heard it again on Monday morning when Dick Vitale challenged the hosts of the Mike and Mike morning show by literally asking the question not once but twice point blank. Then and only then did I hear it picked up locally (Cincy or Dayton) in the media and even then I didn't hear about Pead's comments.

I love the debate and even better I love the fact that we are playing well enough that a debate can exist. No hard feelings toward anyone on here... ever. It's just college sports.

Beta said it best. Let's just wait until 2012. But, even then, the home field advantage is skewed.

Bearcat Mill is also correct: This time it's the media doing the

I'm not much of an OSU obsession guy, but I'm actually glad about these recent stories. The national media is at least recognizing that maybe the two schools could and should be playing. I'm not losing sleep over the fact that we're not, but it'd be great if they did.

Problem is, tOSU feels NONE the same about it.