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I must not be getting something. If you could expand the facility to hold 45,000 (still not a huge stadium) at a cost of 100 million. If you have tickets at 50 a seat that generates 13.5 million for a sold out 6 game season. Issue tax free bonds for 100 million at 4% for 10 years. Interest would cost 4 million a year. That leaves enough that you should be able to pay for the stadium over a 10 year period or less. Throw in the concession sales and you should pretty well be set on the expansion.
 
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(09-15-2009 05:26 PM)TheUmp Wrote:  I must not be getting something. If you could expand the facility to hold 45,000 (still not a huge stadium) at a cost of 100 million. If you have tickets at 50 a seat that generates 13.5 million for a sold out 6 game season. Issue tax free bonds for 100 million at 4% for 10 years. Interest would cost 4 million a year. That leaves enough that you should be able to pay for the stadium over a 10 year period or less. Throw in the concession sales and you should pretty well be set on the expansion.
You are assuming there is a market beyond 30,000. The facility wan't filled for the last game. There were not 10,000 people turned away. People didn't camp out for the remaining tickets. Right now, there is no market for additional seats.
 
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Then if there is no market then there is no need to expand, is there? That goes back to a university that doesn't sell the program well and doesn't properly sell the merchandising rights to products. For instance I was in Columbus last Saturday and it was hard not to see OSU products. Where are the UC products. OSU is 11th in the polls, UC is 17th. That situation is not just in Columbus either. People will come if its the "IN" thing to do. Sell the program.
 
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Some of us Banter posters act like what Coach Kelly said is new. He is just rehashing facts.

How could he not be disappoited at the turnout for the last game? How could he not be frustrated with what he sees?

That said, QSEC is right. Coach is all about psychology, and pushing hard to get the attention he deserves.

If he gets the practice facility, he will stay at least until his dream job(s) come available. That could give us time to get his salary to a level that he has to think twice about leaving, and facilities on their way to a level where he wants to stay and finish his career, or if he does choose to leave, then we will have the infratructure to lure a top level coach.

It is not as bad as it seems. Kelly is not one to jump ship until he has accomplished his goals.

Buy tickets. Fill the stadium. Create demand beyond current capacity.

Get the #amn basketball program where it is creating positive cash flow.
 
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(09-15-2009 06:23 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  
(09-15-2009 05:26 PM)TheUmp Wrote:  I must not be getting something. If you could expand the facility to hold 45,000 (still not a huge stadium) at a cost of 100 million. If you have tickets at 50 a seat that generates 13.5 million for a sold out 6 game season. Issue tax free bonds for 100 million at 4% for 10 years. Interest would cost 4 million a year. That leaves enough that you should be able to pay for the stadium over a 10 year period or less. Throw in the concession sales and you should pretty well be set on the expansion.
You are assuming there is a market beyond 30,000. The facility wan't filled for the last game. There were not 10,000 people turned away. People didn't camp out for the remaining tickets. Right now, there is no market for additional seats.

There IS a market for suites and club seating...the regular seats are important...but Nippert needs the high end seating...
 
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(09-15-2009 06:36 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  Some of us Banter posters act like what Coach Kelly said is new. He is just rehashing facts.

How could he not be disappoited at the turnout for the last game? How could he not be frustrated with what he sees?

That said, QSEC is right. Coach is all about psychology, and pushing hard to get the attention he deserves.

If he gets the practice facility, he will stay at least until his dream job(s) come available. That could give us time to get his salary to a level that he has to think twice about leaving, and facilities on their way to a level where he wants to stay and finish his career, or if he does choose to leave, then we will have the infratructure to lure a top level coach.

It is not as bad as it seems. Kelly is not one to jump ship until he has accomplished his goals.

Buy tickets. Fill the stadium. Create demand beyond current capacity.

Get the #amn basketball program where it is creating positive cash flow.

You are right that no one should be surprised by BK's statements in this interview. He made some optimistic statements in an article about the bubble a couple months ago, and people made the mistake of thinking he was satisfied about how things were progressing. I warned people then, as I have repeatedly for several months, that if he didn't get his practice facilities by this fall he would be upset. The man has harped on this for two years now. He's pissed, and he has a right to be. He had it put in his contract. This is serious.

People need to separate practice facilities from Nippert. Nippert will be very expensive, complicated and BK understands it will take time. The practice facilities aren't that expensive, aren't complicated and should have been done a long time ago as far as BK is concerned. We have about 10 weeks to firm up the deal on the bubble -- until the end of the season, when other schools will come calling. The problem with the new president isn't his attitude, it's timing. BK isn't sending a message just to the president, he's sending it to everyone connected with UC, including the fans.
 
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I think BK is trying to build a program here. His family loves the city supposedly and he has young kids in school and I don't think he really wants to uproot them again. If he was planning on leaving, I don't think he would be pushing for all the changes. If he wanted out, he could shut up, just play football and get another big job next season with no issues. I don't think that is what he wants though, so he is trying to build a program that he can win a national championship with.
 
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The practice facilities and the expansion of Nippert are definitely two separate things. Funny thing though, the day his comments appear in the Rivals article is the day that new drawings of the practice facilities are released; and the day that select UCATS members receive a survey asking about Club seating preferences including pictures of other stadium's preferred seating as examples. BK is certainly a politician.

Also today I noticed the Fan Donoation button being posted on several fan sites. Has this been available for some time?
 
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That button is new. Before there was a spot that you could click on to donate, but it just took you to the UCATS homepage. There was no place online to give specifically to the practice facility.
 
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He's simply stating his requirements...upgrade the facilities. The guy bears a strange resemblance to a former hoops coach here in that he says what he means and means what he says. There's no hidden messages here. He doesn't have one foot out the door and he's not making idle threats. He's simply saying what HAS to happen to continue to build the program. If its doesn't happen, I don't think he will stay long-term because he doesn't believe the program can advance without these things. I take him at his words. Either UC will find a way to make improvements or they won't. I do know from living down the street from BK that he seems to be very well settled here and his family really really seems to like it here so much so that he's not looking to go elsewhere. But in his mind these facility upgrades have to happen to advance the program. I think he'll be patient if progress is shown on these improvements, even if they are not all at once. But I think his patience will have a limit.
 
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(09-15-2009 11:08 AM)apoe Wrote:  I don't give a $#@$ if they have to pawn copper piping out of the dorms. Lets get the practice facility done at least.

New link to donate money specifically to that project....

http://www.gobearcats.com/facilities/ind...ility.html

Nice to have a clear way to get money towards this project, but I'd like to see more info on it...like how much has been raised and what the ultimate goal is.
 
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At least it is a step forward to get money. I sent Mike Thoms an email months ago telling there were fans who wanted to donate and having an online option would help get their money. I don't know why it took so long for that to get put into place. From reading several boards they got quite a few donations today because of it. It might have only been a thousand or two bucks, but it is more than they had yesterday. Plus it allows people to easily donate some right now and more later when they can afford it. In the current economy that is a nice option to have.
 
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If you really want to help, you'll all tell your friends and have them spread the word. I have my doubts that even 5% of UC fans read the web sites.
 
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If I had to guess, I'd say BK to Notre Dame after this season and he retires there after 20 years with numerous BCS bowls and a National Championship. It's his dream job and the timing is just right.
 
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Notre Dame has a schedule that should get them no worse than 9-3 this season. If it's worse whan that, you'll have a point. I do think teams like Navy and UConn will give them problems, but both those games are home games that Cheesburger Boy should win. And, BC has owned them for quite some time.

I'm certainly prepared for the worst case, being BK to step. But, it would be a shame if it's all to do with
the practice facility.

But, hell, I'm just going to enjoy the season. Aside from emptying my pockets more, it's all I can do.
 
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A sold out Nippert or a highly filled 90% is not necessarily a sign of market demand. If that were the case the stadium would not have been expanded to 35K in 1989 to 1991. The previous capacity was 26k t0 28k and that capacity was only exceeded on a regular basis a few times during the Minter era and only a hand full of time during Dantonio's time here. In the last 2 years Nippert exceeding the earlier capcity has become the norm. So as Omstead, the planner once said (parapahase) build it and they will come......So if BK stays around for awhile 3 -5 more years, it should be well within the possibility of having crowds of 35k plus in a stadium expanded to 45 to 50 k at a minimum and maybe 45k plus as a best case senario.
 
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(09-15-2009 06:40 PM)NVExel Wrote:  
(09-15-2009 06:23 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  
(09-15-2009 05:26 PM)TheUmp Wrote:  I must not be getting something. If you could expand the facility to hold 45,000 (still not a huge stadium) at a cost of 100 million. If you have tickets at 50 a seat that generates 13.5 million for a sold out 6 game season. Issue tax free bonds for 100 million at 4% for 10 years. Interest would cost 4 million a year. That leaves enough that you should be able to pay for the stadium over a 10 year period or less. Throw in the concession sales and you should pretty well be set on the expansion.
You are assuming there is a market beyond 30,000. The facility wan't filled for the last game. There were not 10,000 people turned away. People didn't camp out for the remaining tickets. Right now, there is no market for additional seats.

There IS a market for suites and club seating...the regular seats are important...but Nippert needs the high end seating...
Agree, 100%.
 
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