Mack, I'm tired of your mind-numbing ramblings, you got a knack for putting people to sleep because you say things and are never able to muster any evidence. You classroom must look like something out of night of the living dead.

Here's an aclu link.................

http://revcom.us/a/021/aclu-report-us-ki...soners.htm

Now did it happen? Are you ok if it did happen? Should it be investigated? Should it be banned to history? I think waterboarding is a false marker. You get so focused on if we should waterboard you lose sight of the outright torture to the death.

I think Mach has a soft spot for terrorists.

Hey Mach, go to Afghanistan and express your admiration. I'm sure they'll reciprocate. Need help with airfare?

Oh, and don't forget to sign your will.

This is a terrible political move, regardless of the morality.

If Obama is looking to further distance himself from independants and Republicans Voting For Change ™, this is how you do it - investigate front line warriors in the GWOT who were acting in accordence with executive direction and legal review.

Also, though many believe that waterboarding is torture, there are many people either don't believe it was torture, don't think it is that bad of torture, or while they wouldn't want it to happen to Grandma, frankly don't care that it happened to these terrorists. C'est la vie in many areas outside of Washington, Cambridge and San Francisco. There is still a lot of red and purple in this country, and the police, military and intel agencies are held in high regard.

Once this "investigate past concerns" can is opened, it cannot be closed. And that will be for the worse of the country. Nothing like having all future Administrations as interested in prosecuting past misconduct as having them interested in running the country.

As quoted from the article, highlight bolded

Quote:"I don't blame them for wanting to look into it," said a former high-ranking Justice Department official familiar with the details of the program. "But if they appoint a special prosecutor, it would ultimately be unsuccessful, and it would go on forever and cause enormous collateral damage on the way to getting that unsuccessful result."

The political conversation should go like this:


Obama: Will I gain voters by investigating the CIA?

Emmanuel: No

Obama: Will I lose voters if I investigate the CIA?

Emmanuel: Yes

Obama: Will this set a nasty precedent and encourage the next Republican adminstration's investigation of my Presidency?

Emmanuel: Yes

Obama: Should we let these sleeping dog lie?

Emmanuel: Yes

Obama: Then close the file.

(08-10-2009 04:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Here's an aclu link.................

http://revcom.us/a/021/aclu-report-us-ki...soners.htm

Now did it happen? Are you ok if it did happen? Should it be investigated? Should it be banned to history? I think waterboarding is a false marker. You get so focused on if we should waterboard you lose sight of the outright torture to the death.

I would not believe one word from those ACLU so and sos. Where are the documents, well, I scanned the web for them, nothing. They are probably with Obama's BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

(08-10-2009 03:31 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 02:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 01:09 PM)Artifice Wrote:  Cute - Obama assasination jokes. If, no when someone made a similar joke about W, all hell broke loose.

And I dont care what you apologists say - this isnt about releasing secrets, it's about T-O-R-T-U-R-E.

You can't even say it, you're so blindly partisan.

Saying waterboarding is torture is like saying bitchslapping someone is attempted murder.

That is absolutely ridiculous.

Nope. Not in the slightest, teeniest, wee little bit. Not in the wildest imagination of a sane person.

(08-10-2009 03:42 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 03:31 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 02:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 01:09 PM)Artifice Wrote:  Cute - Obama assasination jokes. If, no when someone made a similar joke about W, all hell broke loose.

And I dont care what you apologists say - this isnt about releasing secrets, it's about T-O-R-T-U-R-E.

You can't even say it, you're so blindly partisan.

Saying waterboarding is torture is like saying bitchslapping someone is attempted murder.

That is absolutely ridiculous.

Any arms broken? Fingernails ripped out? Bamboo shoots shoved under fingernails? Glass tubes put into the dicks of the victims and broken? Any knees cracked? Skin sliced off?

No. It's not f'n torture.

I'm sorry....The US even considered it so in the past. It is a violent act. Anyone that supports this stuff supports violence and supports the end justifying the means. Count me out.

OK, if Obama pulls back the CIA, and prosecutes these officers, what will happen IF there is another terrorist attack over here?

Will Obama blame the CIA for "its failure"??

Or will Obama learn his lesson-- don't pull the rug out from under those that defend the nation in this very demanding and dirty business?

If you want "results" against a terrorist entity that "doesn't play by the rules" STFU and let the CIA do its job, and don't try to legally and politically "second guess" them in the next Administration.

(08-10-2009 03:44 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  OK OK you guys are fine with waterboarding. Are you fine with someone being tortured to death? People in our captivity have passed away while under harsh interroagation techniques. If you want I'll find a link. I'm sure most of you know this it's not exactly a state secret. Are you also fine with this?

YOU MEAN JOHN McCAIN DIED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN ??????????? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN ??????????????

I bet those Pesky Little Vietnamese are finally happy their Torture worked ..... it only took 40 YEARS !!!!!!!

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Who's treated better, the prisoners we take or the prisoners they take? Obama is using this to distract us from his stupid health care crap.

(08-10-2009 09:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Who's treated better, the prisoners we take or the prisoners they take? Obama is using this to distract us from his stupid health care crap.

Suck it up my friend...Mob rule is in full effect.

Im actually hoping that BO destroys the country...The sooner this government collaspes...the better off we ALL we be in the long run. He is just speeding up the inevitable.

Fo, if Obama gets his health care crap then were does it end? Will he say that besides health care every one needs some where to live so we should buy them houses and condos. People also need food, so we need to make sure everyone is fed. What about jobs? Everybody needs a job, let's do it. Where does it end? I'm not hoping the country gets destroyed, but if anyone can do it, Obama can.

(08-10-2009 10:08 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Fo, if Obama gets his health care crap then were does it end? Will he say that besides health care every one needs some where to live so we should buy them houses and condos. People also need food, so we need to make sure everyone is fed. What about jobs? Everybody needs a job, let's do it. Where does it end? I'm not hoping the country gets destroyed, but if anyone can do it, Obama can.

It ends in Jerusalem ......

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(08-10-2009 10:16 PM)Tripster Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 10:08 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Fo, if Obama gets his health care crap then were does it end? Will he say that besides health care every one needs some where to live so we should buy them houses and condos. People also need food, so we need to make sure everyone is fed. What about jobs? Everybody needs a job, let's do it. Where does it end? I'm not hoping the country gets destroyed, but if anyone can do it, Obama can.

It ends in Jerusalem ......

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Or revolution.

(08-10-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm sorry....The US even considered it so in the past. It is a violent act. Anyone that supports this stuff supports violence and supports the end justifying the means. Count me out.

Ok, I'll reiterate, were there any limbs broken? Bamboo shoots shoved under fingernails? etc., etc., etc., etc.?

We've gained crucial and, more importantly, RELIABLE information from the use of waterboarding. I'm not saying it should be legal on American citizens, but these are the enemies. We used to just shoot the dirtbags. Remember WWII? NM, I'll add you into the camp that would have us apologizing to Japan for our ships getting in the way of their bombs.

BTW, there were only 3, THREE, Tres, III.

(08-10-2009 10:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm sorry....The US even considered it so in the past. It is a violent act. Anyone that supports this stuff supports violence and supports the end justifying the means. Count me out.

Ok, I'll reiterate, were there any limbs broken? Bamboo shoots shoved under fingernails? etc., etc., etc., etc.?

We've gained crucial and, more importantly, RELIABLE information from the use of waterboarding. I'm not saying it should be legal on American citizens, but these are the enemies. We used to just shoot the dirtbags. Remember WWII? NM, I'll add you into the camp that would have us apologizing to Japan for our ships getting in the way of their bombs.

BTW, there were only 3, THREE, Tres, III.

How many thousands of American died protecting this and other countries over the years? And how many were innocent victims of those that want us dead? Making 3 terrorists feel uncomfortable for a short time hardly compares. If there's a sign on a fence that says "Beware of Dog" and you jump over it and get bit who's to blame? When you mess with this country you should expect to get bit.

So let sleeping dogs lay. OK but I think that's what Obama is trying to do.

(08-10-2009 10:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So let sleeping dogs lay. OK but I think that's what Obama is trying to do.

No, dipshit, he's not. He's trying to punish a previous leader like they do in Banana Republics. If he wants to open that GDamn Pandora's Box, bring it you liberal *******. After 8 months, I am all for investigating the shenanigans of this administration and prosecuting if something is found. You game?

There's a reason it's "unprecedented", light brite.

(08-10-2009 10:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm sorry....The US even considered it so in the past. It is a violent act. Anyone that supports this stuff supports violence and supports the end justifying the means. Count me out.

Ok, I'll reiterate, were there any limbs broken? Bamboo shoots shoved under fingernails? etc., etc., etc., etc.?

We've gained crucial and, more importantly, RELIABLE information from the use of waterboarding. I'm not saying it should be legal on American citizens, but these are the enemies. We used to just shoot the dirtbags. Remember WWII? NM, I'll add you into the camp that would have us apologizing to Japan for our ships getting in the way of their bombs.

BTW, there were only 3, THREE, Tres, III.

I understand...but..You either have principles...or you don't.

(08-10-2009 10:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 10:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-10-2009 09:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm sorry....The US even considered it so in the past. It is a violent act. Anyone that supports this stuff supports violence and supports the end justifying the means. Count me out.

Ok, I'll reiterate, were there any limbs broken? Bamboo shoots shoved under fingernails? etc., etc., etc., etc.?

We've gained crucial and, more importantly, RELIABLE information from the use of waterboarding. I'm not saying it should be legal on American citizens, but these are the enemies. We used to just shoot the dirtbags. Remember WWII? NM, I'll add you into the camp that would have us apologizing to Japan for our ships getting in the way of their bombs.

BTW, there were only 3, THREE, Tres, III.

How many thousands of American died protecting this and other countries over the years? And how many were innocent victims of those that want us dead? Making 3 terrorists feel uncomfortable for a short time hardly compares. If there's a sign on a fence that says "Beware of Dog" and you jump over it and get bit who's to blame? When you mess with this country you should expect to get bit.

Blood and treasure. Id submit in my 49 years...its has been a waste of American lives. Unless our neighbors to the North and South decide to invade...count me out.