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US Weighs cutting off Iranian Gasoline Imports.
Last week apparently the Israelis gave Gates and Jones a "drop dead date" because there is no way Obama would be considering this move unless the IAF was locked, loaded, and ready to fly East. IMO we should have done this two years ago.

The Obama administration is talking with allies and Congress about the possibility of imposing an extreme economic sanction against Iran if it fails to respond to President Obama’s offer to negotiate on its nuclear program: cutting off the country’s imports of gasoline and other refined oil products.

The option of acting against companies around the world that supply Iran with 40 percent of its gasoline has been broached with European allies and Israel, officials from those countries said. Legislation that would give Mr. Obama that authority already has 71 sponsors in the Senate and similar legislation is expected to sail through the House.

In a visit to Israel last week, Mr. Obama’s national security adviser, James L. Jones, mentioned the prospect to Israeli officials, they said.

The White House refused Sunday to confirm or deny the contents of Mr. Jones’s discussions. But other administration officials said that they believed his goal was to reinforce Mr. Obama’s argument that the Israeli government should stop dropping hints about conducting a military attack against Iran’s nuclear facilities if no progress is made this year, and to give the administration time to impose what Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton calls “crippling sanctions” that might force Iran to negotiate.

The Bush administration considered, and rejected, trying to engineer a cutoff of gasoline to Iran, which produces oil but does not have enough refining capacity to meet its own needs for gasoline.

But enforcing what would amount to a gasoline embargo has long been considered risky and extremely difficult; it would require the participation of Russia and China, among others that profit from trade with Iran. Iran has threatened to respond by cutting off oil exports and closing shipping traffic through the Strait of Hormuz, at a moment that the world economy is highly vulnerable.

Mr. Obama has said nothing in public about the possibility since a presidential debate last October with Senator John McCain of Arizona. “If we can prevent them from importing the gasoline that they need, and the refined petroleum products, that starts changing their cost-benefit analysis,” Mr. Obama said at the time. “That starts putting the squeeze on them.”

Now, the White House will not discuss the issue at all. Denis McDonough, a deputy national security adviser, said the administration would not comment on any of its private discussions with allies. But European diplomats confirm that in recent weeks they have held private talks with administration officials about whether to move toward such a sanction if Iran ignores Mr. Obama’s deadline to begin talks by the opening of the United Nations session in mid-September.

Assessing how effective such a cutoff might be — even if Russia, China and most of Europe went along — has been complicated by the political turmoil inside Iran.

Some analysts have argued that the action could further destabilize a weakened regime; others say it could be exploited by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to change the subject from the still-challenged presidential election to Iran’s confrontation with the West.

“Draconian sanctions did not make sense in 2005 and 2006,” said R. Nicholas Burns, who led the Bush administration’s Iran strategy as under secretary of state for policy. “But given the new weakness and vulnerability of the Ahmadinejad government, much tougher sanctions make sense now, with one caveat,” he said in an interview. Congress, he said, must give Mr. Obama complete flexibility to threaten, impose or waive the sanctions, if he has any hope of holding together a coalition of countries.

Mr. Burns and other Iran experts testified last week at a hearing held by the Senate Banking Committee, whose chairman, Senator Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, declared that “our job is to arm the president with a comprehensive set of tough sanctions designed to ratchet up pressure on the Iranian regime.”

Some of the co-sponsors say the Senate bill, the Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act, is a more prudent way to deal with Iran’s nuclear program than authorizing the president to use military means if necessary, as the Senate did for President George W. Bush when he was confronting Saddam Hussein.

There is similar legislation in the House, and Representative Jane Harman, a California Democrat active in intelligence and national security issues, said over the weekend that “most people think that this is how you really hurt Iran.” She predicted the bill would “breeze through” both houses of Congress.

But easy passage would not make the sanctions any easier to carry out. As the Bush administration discovered as it pushed through three mild sanctions resolutions at the United Nations, Iran has enormous leverage over companies and countries dependent on its oil production. As Mr. Burns warned, “If Americans are the only ones sanctioning, those sanctions will not succeed.”

One of the Iran experts who testified last week, Suzanne Maloney of the Brookings Institution, cautioned that Iran was so porous it could circumvent an oil cutoff, and that the potential for confrontation would be high. “The Iranians are not terribly good at capitulation,” Ms. Maloney said. “This is a regime that tends to believe the best defense is a good offense.”

The legislation would impose sanctions on any company that sold or delivered gasoline to Iran, cutting it off from selling to the United States government and seeking to freeze its financing or shipping insurance. But many experts fear that true enforcement would require patrols off the Iranian coast, and that could lead to confrontations with the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

The White House has been extraordinarily tight-lipped about its Iran strategy, and has not publicly discussed the legislation. But already it has become part of the behind-the-scenes maneuvering with Israel. Israeli officials have argued in recent weeks that the American unwillingness to confront North Korea more forcefully as it develops a nuclear program was evidence that the United States might be willing to tolerate an Iranian nuclear weapons capability.

Mr. Obama’s aides, in return, worry that the Israelis are trying to force action too soon by shortening their estimate of how long it would take Iran to manufacture a weapon. In fact, no one knows how quickly it might be able to do so, but it has already solved many of the technological problems.

“The question we have to face,” one American diplomat said, “is whether any sanction at this point can really deter them, given how close they are now.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/03/world/...WS&ei=5099
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Yeah, Obama would NEVER think of doing that if it weren't for the Israelies. Good lord man could you give him SOME credit for SOMETHING instead of just bashing? 03-banghead
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Nuclear program or not, we shouldn't be importing things that we can produce here. (I'd like for it to be a citizen demand of US made products that keeps the US industry afloat.) It wasn't an issue years ago, but it is now. I'm not saying a policy of isolationism. But it only makes sense to keep the money at home if at all possible.

This is one of the few times that I'm against the free market. You've gotta look out for yourself from time to time. (But I also think we could produce it cheaply enough where we'd be competitive in the market if allowed to do it.)
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(08-03-2009 11:57 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Yeah, Obama would NEVER think of doing that if it weren't for the Israelies. Good lord man could you give him SOME credit for SOMETHING instead of just bashing? 03-banghead

Lord in Heaven you are in LOVE with this guy aren't you ???

Bash ???? Bash what needs bashing and remember it is ALL BUSH'S FAULT - - even this issue.

And it is all because I called some Whitey Police Officer Stupid in a Major Press Conference for messin' with my Black Friend and I need to get my White Half On Game or we may not be able to WRECK AMERICA by Christmas .... Oh that's right, my Religion doesn't celebrate Christmas.

Oh Well !!!!!!! There always Ramadan .... 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

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(08-03-2009 12:56 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  Nuclear program or not, we shouldn't be importing things that we can produce here. (I'd like for it to be a citizen demand of US made products that keeps the US industry afloat.) It wasn't an issue years ago, but it is now. I'm not saying a policy of isolationism. But it only makes sense to keep the money at home if at all possible.

This is one of the few times that I'm against the free market. You've gotta look out for yourself from time to time. (But I also think we could produce it cheaply enough where we'd be competitive in the market if allowed to do it.)

You are 100000% right on this one .... Iran is like #3 in Oil Reserves on Earth and they are too stupid to refine their own Crude into Gasoline ????

And we are So Stupid that we Refine ours by the Billions of Barrels and Sell it to them why they sit on their Crude ...... 01-wingedeagle 01-wingedeagle

BUT THEY NEED NUCLEAR POWER NOW !!!!!!!!!!

It is vital to their survival that they have NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES like yesterday.

I know there are only a slight few in America who believe this crap and our TOTUS is one ..... what a stand up guy this TOTUS.

BUSH DID IT !!!!!!!!!!!

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The Iranian situation concerns me.

I don't see all the cultural b.s. that so many on here want to convince me of, but their leadership having nuclear capability is a very tangible issue.

I'm not sure what we should do, and though it sounds appealing, I'm not sure an Israeli offensive would so much diffuse the situation, so much as ignite it. The country is ideologically split at the moment, and therefore this appears to be the smart play.
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(08-03-2009 03:40 PM)Artifice Wrote:  The Iranian situation concerns me.

I don't see all the cultural b.s. that so many on here want to convince me of, but their leadership having nuclear capability is a very tangible issue.

I'm not sure what we should do, and though it sounds appealing, I'm not sure an Israeli offensive would so much diffuse the situation, so much as ignite it. The country is ideologically split at the moment, and therefore this appears to be the smart play.

Real easy way to end BOTH the Iranian Nuclear Program AND the Mullahs in just a couple of waves of air strikes.

Expand on the tactics used in Gaza when the IAF hit the homes of the Hamas Leadership on 30 seconds notice. Take out the rulling Mullahs, the leadership of the Revolutionary Guards, and the Pro- Government Militias.

Just like in Gaza. The phone rang. 30 seconds later a missile came in the window.

You don't need to use 200 bunker busters on underground nuclear sites, which may or may not contain nuclear material.

Take out the Mullahs. You kill them, the Iranian people revolt, no more nukes.

Its a hell of alot easier to kill 50 people than to hit multiple aim point underground hardened targets.
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